Proof the "Crazy" Left is Saner than the "Moderate" Right

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...over at Kos, nearly 50% consider it an important or crucial agenda item, and nearly 90% are willing to go ahead with it at some point.

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by: n/a @ Fri Dec 08, 2006 at 04:00:22 AM UTC

44% Think It Should Be Done For Sure (0.00 / 0)

43% think it shouldn't be done now and only possibly later. 13% think it shouldn't be considered at all.

How does 90% willing to consider it = willing to go ahead with it?

Or did you fall for the trap of thinking that considering something is the same as supporting it. 'Cause that is bad logic.

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by: Matt Singer @ Fri Dec 08, 2006 at 04:09:26 AM UTC

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Over 40% (44%) think impeachment should happen now or very soon. 

Estimating conservatively that only 1/4th of the "possibly later group" end up supportig impeachment, one sees that the majority support impeachment.

Not exactly a far off idea.

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by: n/a @ Fri Dec 08, 2006 at 04:18:31 AM UTC

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50% of the dKos Community (0.00 / 0)

vs. 100% of the Republican Congress.

Yeah, it's exactly the same mentality.

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by: Matt Singer @ Fri Dec 08, 2006 at 07:10:13 AM UTC

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Facts (0.00 / 0)

From the very MSNBC article that Kos cites in his editorial:

"Other parts of a potential Democratic agenda receive less support, especially calls to impeach Bush: 47 percent of Democrats say that should be a “top priority,” but only 28 percent of all Americans say it should be,...Five percent of Republicans say it should be a top priority"

I trust MSNBC's analysis over a Kos poll his perceptions about the Republican Congress.

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by: n/a @ Fri Dec 08, 2006 at 08:41:30 AM UTC

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Facts (0.00 / 0)

1. Kos didn't write that. A diarist named PsiFighter did.
2. 47% is a minority, again versus not just a majority of Congressional Republicans, but unanimity in their ranks on the matter.
3. MSNBC's analysis in that article was frighteningly bad, especially because it included impeachment as an agenda item. Pelosi has never embraced it -- a move that effectively kills it as an agenda item. MSNBC crafted a strawman, exactly what you've been doing.

This is honestly why the rest of the party hates DLC-types. You'd rather blame our party for made-up ills than actually notice that our opposition literally has become two steps short of completely insane.

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by: Matt Singer @ Fri Dec 08, 2006 at 17:29:36 PM UTC

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Fear (0.00 / 0)

My greater fear is that as long as Democrats blame Karl Rove and voter fraud and "the farm folks are just too dumb", we'll never have serious, long-term sustainability.

I agree that many in the Republican party are out of the main stream.  That doesn't mean Democrats shouldn't be looking in the mirror and asking "Why have we lost so much standing in Americans' eyes?"

- You are comparing 47% of DEMOCRATS with 100% of REPUBLICAN LAWMAKERS.  That's not right.  47% of Democrats want it, 5% of Republicans do.

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by: n/a @ Fri Dec 08, 2006 at 21:42:36 PM UTC

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5% of Republicans Want to Impeach Bush (0.00 / 0)

How many wanted to impeach Clinton?

How many Democratic members of Congress want to make impeaching Bush a priority?

And what the Hell does Rove have to do with this discussion anyways?

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by: Matt Singer @ Fri Dec 08, 2006 at 21:49:33 PM UTC

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Label (0.00 / 0)

And I'm not a "DLC-type".  I get their e-mails as frequently as I get Center for American Progress's.  I also read BullMoose as often as I read this blog!

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by: n/a @ Fri Dec 08, 2006 at 21:46:31 PM UTC

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Hehe (0.00 / 0)

How ironic (though certainly not a reason why I'm right): http://www.msnbc.msn... -- A Democrat introduced a bill to impeach Bush.

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by: n/a @ Sat Dec 09, 2006 at 05:30:10 AM UTC

Yeah, the Democrat who lost a primary earlier this year (0.00 / 0)

effectively ousted by her own party in both 2002 and 2006.

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by: Matt Singer @ Sat Dec 09, 2006 at 07:02:39 AM UTC

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Haha (0.00 / 0)

I especially liked her claim that security stopped her not because she didn't have her congressional pin, but because the officers were effectively 'sexist and racist'.

Glad she is gone. Good work, Democrats in GA.

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by: n/a @ Sat Dec 09, 2006 at 23:55:27 PM UTC

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