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Ich Bin Ein Auslander

by: Matt Singer

Tue Dec 04, 2007 at 12:51:36 PM MST


As long as I'm using obscure music references in German to title posts, I figured this was a natural choice to talk immigration.

Simon Rosenberg notes the utter hollowness of immigration as an issue. If it really is so motivating, why is Tom Tancredo at 1%?

It occurred to me recently that there are really only two prominent voices in the immigration debate: the elite "centrist" position, advocating for a guest worker program that hurts American workers and keeps foreign workers as a second class, and a right-wing populist position, that blames the workers themselves for the problems in the economy.

Neither of these positions is really tenable in the framework of progressive populism. And the major voice from the left too often takes the form of an international liberal view that thinks our only priority should be on rectifying foreign economies rather than dealing with any problems potentially caused by immigration here in America.

In other words, there's a valuable -- and I think correct -- perspective missing from this debate in America.

Matt Singer :: Ich Bin Ein Auslander
So what's the progressive populist framework? To the extent that it exists, it has been put forth by the Progressive States Network and the Drum Major Institute.

Here's the bottom-line: immigration causes problems. We need policy solutions that address those problems. But we must be careful to not automatically blame immigrants for concerns related to immigration. Instead, we need solutions that are pragmatic and alter incentives in the right way to protect Americans -- while being smart about anticipating unforeseen consequences of crack-down policies.

So what are the problems with America's immigration system?

  • Lack of border security, including the potential for terrorists to come into the U.S.
  • The giant sucking sound -- Poorly built trade agreements send American jobs into sweatshops overseas. Poorly structured immigration policy sends jobs into sweatshops here at home. The impact to workers is the same: some lose their jobs and some end up in sweatshops.
  • Large populations will involve some crime -- this isn't to say that I think undocumented immigrants are more likely to perpetrate non-immigration related crimes than non-immigrants, just that big groups of people contain both perpetrators and victims.
  • Budgetary concerns -- social services cost money; are immigrants paying their share for their services or are they getting a free ride?

Some of this stuff becomes pretty obvious when you look at the data. Undocumented workers, for example, generally pay more in taxes for the benefits they receive than other workers, partly because they still typically pay taxes but have difficulties receiving services.

The crime issue is a bit different. While plenty on the right raise the specter of the undocumented immigrant criminal, the bigger concern is probably the undocumented crime victim. Harsh policies that treat local police as border patrol prevents undocumented victims from coming forward -- fearing deportation. Second-class status thus protects real criminals -- criminals who actually do threaten all of us.

As for border security, it is important to keep terrorists out, but focusing so much on non-threatening foreign workers seems like a bad way, at least to me, of actually catching terrorists.

As for jobs, I've been through this before, but here's the reality: mass identification and deportation of foreign workers is really, really difficult, and only provides incentives and means for sweatshop operators to drive their workers even further into the underground economy, where they compete even more with native workers and become more likely to be victimized.

What's the response? My friend Ezra Klein has suggested offering a free green card to any undocumented worker who reports labor abuses that can be proven -- a quick way to scare the hell out of any employer looking to exploit foreign workers. Punishing the exploitation removes the financial incentive -- it makes as much sense in this scenario to hire better-skilled native workers while also putting an end to economic exploitation.

Having made this argument elsewhere, I've been criticized for promoting a system that has as one of its results a loss of jobs for immigrants. At the end of the day, it is too bad that some people may find themselves out of work. But the question is one of comparing these different systems and asking which best accomplishes our goals.

If our goal is human dignity and economic strength and fairness, I think the progressive populist route is the one to go with.

But then again, I suppose it's not surprising that this is where I come down.

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One - the economic impact.  Basic economics tells us that we have to keep these immigrants into the labor force.  Removing or de-legitimizing 10-12million undocumented workers from the work force can and will result in: A) a major contraction of the labor supply market which will drive up wages astronomically B) Run-away inflation as a result of increasing labor costs.  Think milk is cheep right now, how about paying $6 a gallon?  How about $2 for an apple.  Basic economics demands a solution which keeps these workers in the economy.

Two - the gross hypocrisy of blaming employers, especially in the state of Montana.  In 2005 Congress passed the Federal Real ID Act which, among other things, provided/mandated that employers use a centralized database to check the immigration status of new applicants.  This would have been a great tool for businesses to easily tell who is legal, and to cover their liability from discrimination in hiring practices (if I don't hire someone because I think they are undocumented, but that turns out not to be the case, I have exposure as an employer for a discrimination lawsuit).  Montana quickly rejected this act on the grounds that it invaded privacy, and voters broadly supported this move.  So you have a constituency that wants to eliminate illegal workers, but doesn't want the government verifying their immigration status.

This is a big problem, but any solution needs three legs:

1.  Security
2.  Path to citizenship
3.  Guest worker program

Regan knew this, Bush knows this, even our own congressional delegates support this yet it can't seem to get done.  WHY?


The economics (0.00 / 0)
I don't think it is actually possible to remove the 10-12 million undocumented workers, so I don't think the economic story you tell is worth considering. We just can't actually do it, not without becoming a police state -- as you note, that police state would impact both immigrants and those born in America.

Still, it's a fair point that even if we could deport every undocumented worker, we probably would not want to. That's especially because I don't think the markets would respond very well, so even worse than $2 apples would be the number that would just rot on trees while the labor market tried to sort out the new world.

As for the hypocrisy, that's a fair point. Some employers are well-meaning. Some, however, are exploitive. The former don't deserve harsh punitive measures. The latter are scum. Figuring out how to differentiate that is another tough question.


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