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Kristol errs again

by: Jay Stevens

Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 10:40:12 AM MDT


Oops. Kristol erred again, claiming Obama was at Trinity church when his pastor made questionable remarks about race and the United States, using...get this...Newsmax as a source! Only Obama was on his way to Miami that day.

Steve Benen:

My initial concern about the Times hiring Kristol was rewarding failure - this guy has been wrong about every major policy issue for years. But these concerns have evolved. The more notable problem, after two months of columns, is that Kristol is just an awful columnist, a weak and sloppy writer, and a boring political observer. (And he's been wrong about every major policy issue for years.)
How bad is it? Even William Safire agrees with the Hoyt piece that described the Kristol hire as a "mistake."

When reached by phone, Safire told me: "I saw the excellent piece that the public editor wrote the other day, and that pretty much tells the story."

Is there anyone outside the paper's leadership who still thinks this was a good idea?

Kristol is a GOP man, disingenuous, overtly political, and a crappy writer. I'd love to read a decent, well thought out conservative writer in the pages of the New York Times -- or any newspaper, for that matter - and the sooner the Mona Charens, Thomas Sowells, and Bill Kristols of the world are exiled to Newsmax, the better.

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So......... (0.00 / 0)
for 20 some years Obama has been a member of this hate mongering pastor's church and during that time he says he neither witnessed or heard of any of the anti-America and anti-white rhetoric this guy spewed out . Bull crap!!!!  And you call Kristol disingenuous.  

Apparently... (0.00 / 0)
...you have already made up your mind. Yet you have no evidence that Obama is a whitey-hatin' anti-American Muslim, despite his voting record and vast body of public statements, including at least two memoirs.

Where are all the demands that conservative Christian politicians denounce their pastors for preaching the Earth is 4,000 years old?


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Didn't say........ (0.00 / 0)
that Obama is a whitey-hatin' anti-American Muslim, but I did say that he belongs/belonged to a church whose former pastor is a whitey-hatin' anti-American hate monger.

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I think Sen. Obama is as much a moonbat as was my friend Jerry Brown; (0.00 / 0)
but what exactly is being challenged?
Had I been of African extraction during the times in question I have no doubt that old miscreant's statements would have been my own.  
As an historian, I tend to conclude his analyses are more to the point perhaps than we ofays might like; but they are none-the-less quite accurate.
Any hope for a future much different than our present must have some sort of recognition (and contrition) by we white folks that ante bellum, manifest destiny, or Jim Crow America were not significantly different--except in tenor--from post-WWII America...  

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By the way.... (0.00 / 0)
in Bill Kristol's defense:

http://www.newsmax.com/kessler...


And all records indicate that Obama was on his way to Florida. (0.00 / 0)
No one from NewsMax would ever lie, would they, Squint?

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Well.... (0.00 / 0)
if they lie as much as the liberal media then, what the hell, we're even.

Just hard to believe that this guy was a member of Pastor Wright's church for 20 some years and never ever heard or heard of any of his anti-America and anti-white rantings.

Standby to standby, libs, more and more will come out about this Obama character, who thus far has been leading a sheltered life thanks to the liberal media.  More and more for you to defend, Woofie....Good luck~~~


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thanks for the link! (0.00 / 0)
Yes, this is the false report that Kristol cited in his column and for which he has since apologized for.

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And.... (0.00 / 0)
"Mr. Davis' story was first published on Newsmax on August 9, 2007. Shortly before publication, Mr. Davis contacted the press office of Sen. Obama several times for comment about the Senator's attendance and Rev. Wright's comments during his sermon. The Senator's office declined to comment."

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Interesting. (0.00 / 0)
So what have we learned here? If someone declines to comment, that apparently does not mean the facts in the report are correct.

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Why so few superior consevative minds? (0.00 / 0)
 This reminds me alot of the conservative screed that universities only hire liberals. I'd like to submit that the lack of tenured conservatives and the lack of well-reasoned conservative columnists are drawn from the same dry well. It appears that most who are smart enough to most fully understand our world and those who are clever enough to articulate what they discover about our world are always going to tend towards the liberal view. Why? Well, because it is closest to true, and they are smart enough to see that.

If the liberals.... (0.00 / 0)
running our educational system are so damn smart, how come we rank below a whole damn bunch of third world countries?  I guess maybe because they have smarter liberals than we do, huh?

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nice deflection (0.00 / 0)
 Squid, perhaps you could point out how references to "universities" and "tenure" imply that I'm talking about elementery or high-school anministrators? I'm sure there are a lot of reasons our children score lower on tests v. "damn third world countries". I'm just not sure it's because Bill Kristol or Thomas Sowell don't sit on the school board. By the way, haven't seats on school boards been favorite targets of the far right for at least ten years now?

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Wow, I really should have spell checked that. (0.00 / 0)
Bad typing may undermine my point a wee bit.

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I said... (0.00 / 0)
"a whole damn bunch" of third world countries not damn third world countries.

I was talking about our educational system in general, which  leaves a lot to be desired at all levels.  

Anyway, a tad off the subject, but maybe you could enlighten me on why all the smart liberals in this country can't find a way to compete with the "dumb" conservatives in the talk radio field.  I would say probably that most listeners prefer "dumb" conservatives to people like Al Franken and some of the others to few to mention.


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you're assuming... (0.00 / 0)
...a level playing field. Thanks to Congress, conservative-inclined media corporations have bought up radio stations in blocs and shut out liberal-themed radio. Here in Missoula, for example, before the plug was pulled Air America out performed two -- three? -- Limbaugh stations combined, yet left after a conservative-inclined media corporation bought it and killed it.

But when the playing field is level, we always kick *ss.


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I never heard Air America; (0.00 / 0)
but I always wondered which companies were sponsoring its messages.  
I haven't listened to Limbaugh much either--not at all for years--but I recall the commercials were directed toward shut-ins and other disconnected members of this society.
I don't think A.M. radio is directed at citizens inclined toward participation in community affairs.

For that matter, neither is F M. or T.V..  Our society has been driven indoors.  The notion of bowling alone would probably not have occurred to generations of pre-television Americans.

And here I am spending my post-retirement years posting my thoughts into cyberspace..!  


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When it comes..... (0.00 / 0)
to kicking ass, liberals remind me of the one-legged guy who enters an ass kicking contest only to find out he hasn't a leg to stand on...:~)  Jay the only regular listeners to liberal talk radio would be those suffering from Bulimia Nervosa.  Keeps em from having to put their fingers down their throats to purge.

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