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How about a "green" New Deal?

by: Jay Stevens

Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 12:56:13 PM MST


Recently the Montana Chamber of Commerce held a "Climate Change Dialog," entitled "The Economic Impacts of Climate Change Proposals," and featured Dr. Margo Thorning of the American Council for Capital Formation.

Given that the council has been an active lobbyist against climate change legislation since the mid-1990s and is extensively funded by Exxon, you'd expect a doom-and-gloom study about the cost of battling climate change. You'd be right.

I haven't seen the actual report, but I suspect it leaves out the already existing economic impact of having a fossil-fuel based economy. Heck, the Iraq War itself is costing taxpayers - what? -- $12 billion a month? And then there's environmental cleanup costs associated with drilling and mining for coal and oil, the cost of polluting, the billions poured into infrastructure supporting an oil-burning economy, and the subsidies for Big Energy.

And I suspect not a word was penned about the economic impact of not reacting to climate change, a hint of which we already see here in Montana as our wildfire fighting budget spins out of control, hampering the Forest Service's ability to actually manage our country's forests.

Thorning and the American Council for Capital Formation are defending existing and obsolete industries from extinction, and drumming up support to halt meaningful innovation, progress, and long-term sustainability of our environment and, yes, our economy.

Jay Stevens :: How about a "green" New Deal?
A carbon tax or cap-and-trade system would necessarily spur new industry, innovation, and cheaper sources of energy. That is, climate change legislation could actually help the U.S. economy, nut hurt it:

"As Congress prepares to debate new legislation to address the threat of climate change, opponents claim that the costs of adopting the leading proposals would be ruinous to the U.S. economy. The world's leading economists who have studied the issue say that's wrong - and you can find out for yourself," said Robert Repetto, professor in the practice of economics and sustainable development at the Yale School of Forestry and Environmental Studies who created the site.

The interactive website synthesized thousands of policy analyses in order to identify the seven key assumptions accounting for most of the differences in the model predictions. The site allows visitors to choose which assumptions they feel are most realistic and then view the predictions of the economic models based on the chosen assumptions.

Among the key optimistic assumptions are that renewable energy technologies will be available at stable or increasing prices; that higher fossil fuel prices will stimulate energy-saving technological change; that reducing U.S. carbon emissions will reduce economic damages from climate change and air pollution; and that the United States will incorporate international trading of emission permits into its national policy.

Even under the worst assumptions, the economy continues to grow. The news of a wind turbine manufacturing plant going up in Butte should give you an idea of what's possible for Montana in a future where policymakers embrace the inevitable. (Only why shouldn't the company be U.S.- or Montana-based instead of German?)

While the Exxon puppets and our chamber of commerce have little in common, there's no doubt that they both represent companies that exist, profit, and thrive in the present economy. And there's no doubt that stringent climate change legislation will hurt some of these folks, perhaps fatally. As a result, you'll hear a lot of lip service being paid to the "free market" and "innovation" and the economy from business "leaders," but if you listen carefully you'll hear only policy that's sluggish, reactive and against innovation and change.

But here's the thing: change is coming. So...what are you going to do about it?

I like Bill McKibben's vision of a "green" New Deal (from a pretty cool series by The Nation):

We usually talk about New Deal programs in terms of their effect on the mood of Americans--they restored hope, they gave people back their dignity and so on. Sometimes we talk about how they helped get the economy afloat again. But there was another result: the hundreds of thousands of actual projects that were built in those years. Hiking trails, city halls, bridges, park gazebos, public plazas, dams, and on and on. For my money, that's the kind of work that needs doing now, as we face a crisis even greater than the Depression: the quick unraveling of the planet's climate system in the face of our endless emissions of carbon dioxide.
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"green" or sustainability standards tied to federal and state funding? (0.00 / 0)
Jay, Thanks for posting this idea about a "green" New Deal.  With all respect to Mr. McKibben, I do think we need to be careful about potentially overstating (or understating) the impact the first New Deal had on the environment.  In all too many cases, the original New Deal wasn't green or sustainable (think about all the dams built, as just one example) and ironically a new "green" New Deal would have to focus on restoring many of the environmental problems that were created the first time around.

That's certainly not to say that something like a "green" New Deal wouldn't have a profound positive impact on our lives and the environment, especially if it's based on truly green/sustainable principles. It seems as if Europe is far ahead of the US when it comes to such a program.

Back in the late 1990's when a coalition of us was putting together a bill called the National Forest Protection and Restoration Act we created a Natural Heritage Restoration Corps, which was modeled after the CCC, to restore federal public lands. I've pasted some of the text from the bill below as it may spur some thought.

Another idea that I've been tossing around, which goes along with your thoughts on a green New Deal, is getting "green" or sustainability standards tied to federal and state funding.  It simply doesn't make sense for taxpayer dollars on the federal and state level to continue going towards unsustainable endeavors or practices.  Perhaps we need a Department of Sustainability or a Blue Ribbon Panel of sustainability experts that would be tasked with ensuring that the hundreds of billions in federal taxpayer dollars doled out by our "representatives" annually are as green and sustainable as possible.

(c) Natural Heritage Restoration Corps-

     (1) ESTABLISHMENT- The Secretary of the Interior and the Secretary of Agriculture shall each establish a special unit (to be known as the `Natural Heritage Restoration Corps') for the purposes of--

           (A) conducting ecological restoration of native biodiversity in areas of Federal public lands where the integrity of natural ecosystems has been degraded;

           (B) assisting in the monitoring of forest resources, including effectiveness monitoring of ecological restoration projects; and

           (C) in cooperation with each agency's law enforcement programs, monitoring and protecting public resources from various illegal activities, including timber theft and poaching.

     (2) USE OF PERSONNEL FROM EXISTING PROGRAMS- The Natural Heritage Restoration Corps may be created using personnel in existing programs in the agencies.

     (3) OTHER PERSONNEL AND EQUIPMENT- In addition to the personnel selected under paragraph (2), the Natural Heritage Restoration Corps may hire other personnel, which may include private contractors, and purchase or lease the necessary equipment to implement the Natural Heritage Restoration Plans to achieve the goals and objectives as set forth by the Secretary of Agriculture and the Secretary of the Interior under this section. There shall be a hiring preference for dislocated workers who have been terminated or laid off, or have received a notice of termination or lay off, as a consequence of the enactment of this Act.

     (4) TRAINING- Personnel of the Natural Heritage Restoration Corps shall be properly trained so that they are able to carry out the activities specified in paragraph (1) consistent with this section.


Good point Jed, we came up with a "committee of scientists" to help address that issue (0.00 / 0)
I agree with you and we went through many of those types of discussions at the time we were putting the bill together and during the years (approximately 1997 2006) it was introduced into Congress. To help address the issue, we did come up with a "COMMITTEE OF SCIENTISTS" to "provide scientific and technical advice and counsel on the proposed standards, guidelines, and procedures of this subsection to assure that an effective interdisciplinary approach is proposed and adopted for the development of Natural Heritage Restoration Plans in each region."

That part from the bill is below...

(e) Developing Standards, Guidelines, and Procedures for Restoration-

     (1) RESPONSIBILITIES OF THE SECRETARIES- (A) The Secretary of Agriculture and Secretary of the Interior shall develop regional standards, guidelines, and procedures for restoration, consistent with this section, as soon as practicable after the date of the enactment of this Act, and shall incorporate these regional standards, guidelines, and procedures, as well as regional Natural Heritage Restoration Plans, into land management plans for each unit of Federal public lands in accordance with existing land management planning regulations, by no later than two years after the date of enactment of this Act.

     (B) The Secretaries shall report to the Congress on the progress of implementing this section in the annual report required by section 8(c) of the Forest and Rangeland Renewable Resources Planning Act of 1974 (16 U.S.C. 1606(c)) and section 311 of the Federal Land Policy and Management Act of 1976 (43 U.S.C. 1741).

     (2) COMMITTEE OF SCIENTISTS- (A) In carrying out the purposes of this subsection, the Secretary of the Interior, in consultation with the Secretary of Agriculture, shall appoint a committee of scientists, for each of the various administrative regions in the United States who are not officers or employees of the Forest Service, the Bureau of Land Management, or the timber industry, and who are not contractors for the timber industry.

     (B) The committee shall provide scientific and technical advice and counsel on the proposed standards, guidelines, and procedures of this subsection to assure that an effective interdisciplinary approach is proposed and adopted for the development of Natural Heritage Restoration Plans in each region.

     (C) The committee shall terminate upon promulgation of the standards, guidelines, and procedures, but the Secretary shall appoint similar committees, at least every 10 years, to consider revisions of regional standards, guidelines, and procedures based on new scientific information and the knowledge gained from implementing ecological restoration projects. Standards, guidelines, and procedures for developing Natural Heritage Restoration Plans or their revisions for each region shall be completed no later than one year after the date of the enactment of this Act or the initiation of the revision process. The views of the committees shall be included in the public information supplied when the standards and guidelines are proposed for adoption.

     (3) CLERICAL AND TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE- Clerical and technical assistance, as may be necessary to discharge the duties of the committee of scientists established under paragraph (2), shall be provided from the personnel of the Department of Agriculture or the Department of Interior, as appropriate.

     (4) COMPENSATION- While attending meetings of the committee, the members shall be entitled to receive compensation at a rate of $200 per diem, including travel time, and while away from their homes or regular places of business they may be allowed travel expenses, including per diem in lieu of subsistence, as authorized by section 5703 of title 5, United States Code, for persons in the Government service employed intermittently.

     (5) REGIONAL BOUNDARIES- The Secretary of the Interior, in consultation with the Secretary of Agriculture, shall determine each region's boundaries for which the standards, guidelines, and procedures are to be developed under this subsection.


HR 1975 (Northern Rockies Ecosystem Protection Act) (0.00 / 0)
Early in this session of Congress specific climate change language was added to HR 1975.  Another section of the bill calls for Wildland Recovery, with language eerily similar to Matthew's. A copy of the bill can be had for the asking by contacting House Documents in Washington D.C.  There are currently 127 members of the House co-sponsoring.  It's worth a look.  

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