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Health Insurance vs. Health Care

by: Heartland1

Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 19:33:39 PM MST


(Here's a pretty fascinating health care story from a Montanan. Forward Montana is actually embarking on a big campaign to gather more thoughts like this. Interested folks can join us on Saturday for what promises to be a very cool campaign -- "House Calls 4 Health Care." Otherwise, check out Heartland's story and share your own thoughts below. - promoted by Matt Singer)

Last December, shoving some paper into a waste basket that had some broken glass in it, I cut my thumb deep into the joint, severing the two tendons that let a person extend the thumb. It became an inadvertent test of my health insurance.  Now, I'm self-employed.  I pay almost $900/mo. for my wife and I.  We're mid to early 50's, and healthy.  My insurance has a $2,500 deductible, and does not cover vision or dental, but does have drug coverage.  Between premiums, vision, dental and deductibles, as well as paying for a policy for my college age daughter, I came up with right around $16,000 for "Health Care" in 2007, $11,700 of which paid premiums and bought nothing in terms of actual "Care".

Now when I went to the hospital shortly after the accident, unable to move my thumb on my right hand, I got good, prompt attention.  I grilled every nurse, ER Doc, X-ray tech, the woman at admissions--asking them if they were "approved providers", and stressing that my only means of paying the impending costs was with insurance.   I questioned the need for every bandage, bag, whatever--trying to be a good consumer, as I'm supposed to be, right?

Now to be fair to my insurance, they paid the amount over my deductible for this injury, but since the injury happened on Dec. 15, I had the $2,500 deductible from 2007, and the deductible for 2008 to apply to the bill.  Insurance paid about $2,400, BUT NOT UNTIL giving me 5 days to  to respond to a form asking these questions, among others:

1.  Is another party liable for this accident, injury or condition?
2.  Has a court action been filed against the responsible parties?
3.  If this accident, injury, or condition is not motor vehicle related, please list the name of he party responsible for the accident or injury and the name of THEIR insurance company.
4.  Has a claim for benefits under Worker's Comp. or similar laws been filed?
and other questions.  I called my insurance agent and went through this form with her as I filled it out, so as not to commit some inadvertent error that would give the "insurance" company an excuse not to pay.

Now, lawyers get the rap for driving up health care costs, but it seems clear to me after this that it's the insurance company that's seeking to make sure that any concievable scapegoat is identified and sued prior to paying the health care professionals who took care of me.  My doctor was paid by the insurance company almost 90 days after he rendered his services to me.  How expensive is that?  As someone who's self employed, all I can say is it's very expensive.

Heath insurance buys nothing in terms of HEALTH CARE.  It buys private sector bureaucracy, delay, excessive profits and useless overhead.  It does not buy "Choice".  In an emergency you don't "Shop" for health care. It makes health care providers wait a long time for payment.

Now my accident was minor, but it's clear to me that my health care dollars are a monumental waste of resources, at least the ones going to the insurance company.  We need to cut out the middle man.  We need to get rid of the overhead.  Let the doctors make a profit, not the insurance companys.  I now lobby my representatives for single-payer health care at every opportunity.  My Canadian friends pity me for the extreme cost of health care in the US, and the pathetic lengths we have to go to in order to assure that insurance will actually PAY for the care we recieve.

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Get used to that form . . . (0.00 / 0)
I got the same form after my ACL blowout and surgery to repair, and in the past two years, about every 4 - 6 months or so, they send it to me again, just to make sure I was telling the truth, and they couldn't recoup any money.  

I think they also asked about homeowners insurance, to see if they could get some money there.  Not money to help me with the costs, money to help them bring their costs down on their obligation to me.

Bah, don't get me started on "Healthcare".


health extortion... (0.00 / 0)
As a Canadian who has only lived in the US for 5 years I am appalled at the healthcare "industry" in this country.

When living in Vancouver I sliced off a knuckle with a power plane on Saturday, October 31st 1998 at about midnight (just imagine what the emergency room at an urban hospital is like on Halloween!) and received impeccable care.  They sent me home in an hour or so with painkillers and the next morning (Sunday, no less) a hand surgeon spent 3 hours repairing my hand.  Bill = $0.

BTW my monthly premium in 1998 was $38.

As I approach my 60th birthday my American born husband and I are contemplating moving to Canada.  We are self employed and cannot get any health "insurance".  The only policy we could afford - $900/month - came with a $10,000 deductible and wouldn't cover any pre-existing conditions, like high blood pressure (heart attack) asthma (pneumonia) back problems, or any other ailment folks in their late 50's might have.  Hence my description of "extortion".

Our basic problem is that almost every member of Congress (except one I believe who has opted out on principle) is fully covered and simply doesn't understand that scraping up $85 each month to pay for hypertension meds is a real struggle.  And we consider ourselves pretty well off.

Until the people of this country rise up and REFUSE to continue paying outrageous premiums to for-profit insurance companies we are all at risk.

And don't even get me going on the urban myth stuff about the Canadian universal healthcare system - just go out on the street in any Canadian city and ask anyone if they would give up the single payer system and they'd look at you as if you were nuts....


I'd encourage everyone to look at HR 676, (0.00 / 0)
the alternative to Clinton and Obama's "Universal" health care plans. While single payer may not be palatable from the top down with our current presidential candidates, it is a reality from the grassroots up.

The United States National Health Insurance Act

"The United States National Health Insurance Act establishes a unique American national universal health insurance program.  The bill would create a publicly financed, privately delivered health care system that uses the already existing Medicare program by expanding and improving it to all U.S. residents, and all residents living in U.S. territories. The goal of the legislation is to ensure that all Americans will have access, guaranteed by law, to the highest quality and most cost effective health care services regardless of their employment, income, or health care status. With over 45-75 million uninsured Americans, and another 50 million who are under- insured, the time has come to change our inefficient and costly fragmented non- health care system."

A few bullet points:

The conversion to a not-for-profit health care system will take place over a 15 year period, through the sale of U.S. treasury bonds.

This program will cover all medically necessary services, including primary care, inpatient care, outpatient care, emergency care, prescription drugs, durable medical equipment, long term care, mental health services, dentistry, eye care, chiropractic, and substance abuse treatment. Patients have their choice of physicians, providers, hospitals, clinics, and practices. No co-pays or deductibles are permissible under this act.

HR 676 would reduce health spending in 2005 [dollars] from $1 trillion, 918 billion dollars to 1 trillion, 861.3 billion dollars, which translates into a saving of $56 billion in overall health care spending while covering all of the uninsured.  This is a 3% reduction in over-all health care spending.

As of January 2008, HR 676 had 88 co-sponsors in Congress.

And Heartland1, I feel your pain. I too severed a tendon in my thumb in a skiing accident. It was no fun. I got the opportunity to get a "first hand" anatomy lesson as the ER dr. cut my hand open, as it was resting on my chest, and probed around for the ends of the tendon right in front of my nose, before they decided to haul me off to the OR and do it right. Took me a long time to pay my dr. back, especially when I had a hard time getting back to work at the construction job I held way back in the hey-day of reaganism.


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