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Idle Clinton-related thoughts

by: Jay Stevens

Fri May 30, 2008 at 12:37:34 PM MST


Great article on the HuffPo about WomenCount, a PAC dedicated to "supporting progressive ideas for women," a group that's going to demonstrate in favor of counting all of the Michigan and Florida delegates, outside the hotel where the DNC committee will be deciding those state's fate:

"You're not going to write that we're a bunch of hysterical women trying to create havoc, are you?"

The tone is part weary, part sarcastic, and a little bit plaintive. The words themselves -- spoken by one organizer of this weekend's planned demonstration outside the hotel where the DNC Rules and Bylaws Committee is set to (maybe) decide the fate of Michigan and Florida's much-disputed delegates -- reflect the widespread sense of persecution that is currently felt among some prominent Democratic activists and fundraisers.

Largely female and supportive of Sen. Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign, these political actors look upon a contest they view as essentially tied and are dumbfounded by the vitriol being directed not only Clinton's way, but at their own efforts to "count every vote" in all the Democratic primaries.

It's fair to say that these women believe they're doing the right thing. They don't believe they're gaming the system to hand Hillary Clinton the nomination - although that's what it looks like to the rest of us. (In fact, my opinion is that that's exactly what it would be: party bigwigs handing the nomination to the candidate that lost the election.)

The point here is that these Clinton supporters - and the ones that we know - are sincere in their beliefs. They're not shallow, superficial, inauthentic, devious, ruthless, hysterical, or faux anything. They have an argument they believe to have merit.

Jay Stevens :: Idle Clinton-related thoughts
Is it possible that, if the DNC rules committee denies FL and MI their delegates, the party will lose the Clinton supporters? I do know that, If the DNC does give MI and FL to Clinton, all h*ll will break loose from Obama ranks. I guarantee it. That's why we should expect a compromise, seating half the delegates, which will still mean an Obama nomination. If Clinton fights that, it's likely she'll bleed support.

Whatever. Look for an Obama victory here in Montana to kick off the rush of superdelegates to Obama and nail down the nomination for the Illinois Senator.

In related news, Dahlia Lithwick takes issue with the meme that, if Clinton loses this election, it'll mean another generation at least before we'll have another chance at a woman president:

A suggestion: Women will put themselves through this because most of us will have been more inspired by the Clinton run than scared off by it. They'll put themselves through it because-for the first time in history-they'll know what it looks like when a woman almost scores the presidency, and it looks amazing. And some of them will also put themselves through it because having been well and truly sickened by the "iron my shirts" moments, they'll do what women did in 1992 after watching Anita Hill endure outrageous nuts-and-sluts treatment at the hands of an all-male Senate judiciary committee. They'll swarm government.

If Hillary Clinton has taught the women of America anything this year, it's never to say never. Which is why it would be lamentable if the only lesson we take from her candidacy were that nothing like it will ever happen again.

That's all fine and good, but Lithwick's argument ignores the irrational power of DC establishment "conventional wisdom."

Remember, after Jesse Jackson's loss in the 1988 Democratic primary, conventional wisdom said you couldn't win with an African American candidate. It took 20 years before we saw another viable African-American politician even enter the fray.

It's the Clinton campaign, after all, that's banging the conventional wisdom drum of "eggheads and African Americans," because the DC establishment says you can't win without a base of "hard working Americans." Conventional wisdom doesn't fret about the complexities of age and geography that mars the meme; it goes along and compares Obama to George McGovern, a failed presidential run that happened over 30 years ago.

Conventional wisdom directs the flow of funding and the support of local, state, and national party bosses. Yes, sure, it's completely ridiculous to believe that Clinton lost this race because she's a woman - ignoring the context of her political career - but the DC establishment is slave to many a ridiculous notion.

That's not to say that Clinton should win because of this. Instead, after 2008, we should actively fight the notion that a woman can't win a national election. We should also be encouraging more women to run for office. And more women in leadership positions. And more women to blog...

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If the party (0.00 / 0)
"big wigs" hand this nomination to Clinton, it will be the end of the Democratic Party...but maybe that is what the DLC'ers want?  

Interesting (0.00 / 0)
I didn't think I could see Obama Bull Mooseing the Dems.

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This has nothing to do (0.00 / 0)
with Obama Bull Mooseing the party...it would be the Clinton faction telling a whole lot of people we don't want you, we don't need you...unless of course you'll help us get what we want...and believe me,if it comes down to that, a whole lot of people will say see ya to the Dems...it would get very ugly...very, very ugly...the whole hijacking of the party by the Humphrey wing back in 68, and the subsequent uprising in the streets of Chicago would look like a picnic compared to what would go down in Denver if the "big wigs" toss this to Clinton...and when that dust settles, there would be little left of the Democratic Party...

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I don't think... (0.00 / 0)
...Obama would run as an independent (jury's out on Clinton, IMHO).

I assume what bigsage is talking about is a massive revolt of the party's base at the worst possible moment in a critical election.


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What I am talking about is (0.00 / 0)
a political party being ripped apart to satisfy this persons ego....ripped apart to the point that it can not be repaired...I can only speak for myself, but I have no desire to work for Clinton's election nor could I support a party that would hand this nomination to her...not this November,not ever...I do remember 1968 and the beating the party "big wigs" gave the peace demonstrators in the streets of Chicago, and how they expected those who just had their heads bashed in to "come together" and support Humphrey in November....at some point you have to say fuck em' and work against their sort of "democratic" process....or just plain give up on electoral politics.

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one of your scenarios is wrong (0.00 / 0)
I don't think this would happen:
I do know that, If the DNC does give MI and FL to Clinton, all h*ll will break loose from Obama ranks.

Obviously they're not going to "give" the entire states' delegations to Clinton, but even if they did, it wouldn't change the outcome--Obama would still be in the lead in delegates, and it would just mean that he would need an additional 100 superdelegates to commit to him before he would finally win the nomination once and for all.  There are still almost 200 uncommitted superdelegates to go--there is no way that 100 of them will go for Clinton at this point, regardless of what happens tomorrow or next Tueday.  Not even 50 will go for her.  These people are party loyalists.  Which outcome would damage the party more?  It's obvious.

So yes, Obama supporters would raise some hell in that not-going-to-happen scenario, but there'd be no reason for hell to actually break loose.  Obama will be the nominee.


Two things I don't get. (0.00 / 0)
Is it possible that, if the DNC rules committee denies FL and MI their delegates, the party will lose the Clinton supporters? I do know that, If the DNC does give MI and FL to Clinton, all h*ll will break loose from Obama ranks. I guarantee it.

Why would that be?  Outraged Obama supporters, I would hope, would see that settling the Florida and Michigan dispute in favor of the states is about November, not about Hillary Clinton.  Duncan is right - seating the delegates, even at 100%, doesn't ultimately change anything with regard to Obama's delegate math.  It does avoid annoying a bunch of voters we'd like to have on our side in November, though.

In other news, I have to laugh at people who reassure me that a woman president is just around the bend.  Like what I'm actually interested in is the F listed on a candidate's drivers' license, as opposed to what a candidate of either gender can offer me.  I know it's totally shocking to a lot of you to believe that Hillary supporters actually REALLY LIKE HILLARY CLINTON, but it's true.  We like her...a lot.  And we really, really, really believe she would be the best president of the candidates still in the running.    

I also find it insulting when people throw around the notion that Obama might pick a woman other than Hillary for his VP, again, as though all of us silly Hill supporters just want to see some breasts somewhere on the Democratic ticket, no matter whose they might be.  

I'm getting kind of RACY here, so I'll stop now.  Haha.  


Father Phleger anotther Obama Pastor Problem! (0.00 / 1)
(30 May 2008) The Truth About Obama's Spiritual Advisor, Fr Pfleger
http://www.latimes.com/news/na...

Obama has said that Wright, Pfleger and Meeks are his spiritual advisors.

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Pfleger's maverick style has set him apart from Chicago's Catholic clergy dating to his seminary days, when he protested the Vietnam War and befriended Black Panthers.
(Note: Like Pfleger, Obama's friend Bill Ayers was also involved with the Black Panthers. Ayer's bombing campaign was to protest the government's treatment of African Americans.)

Pfleger is a self-loathing white person who believes in black liberation theology, and the need to pay reparations to black people. He supports Farrakhan and the Nation of Islam. He also supports "black supremacy", saying that the government needs to be "turned over to" black people.

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He turned things around at St. Sabina by highlighting black church traditions, hanging African art on the walls and featuring a black Jesus with his hands outstretched above the altar.
Note: A black Jesus would indicate his involvement with black liberation theology, which the current Pope has spoken out against...

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Pfleger has protested police brutality, marched against gang violence and defaced alcohol and tobacco billboards in black neighborhoods.

He was arrested last year for criminal trespassing during a gun control rally outside a suburban gun shop, but prosecutors dropped the charges.

In 1981, he defied the late Cardinal John Patrick Cody by adopting the first of three foster children.
Note: Catholic priests are not allowed to marry and are definitely not allowed to adopt children.

In fact, most of Pfleger's views and actions are in direct opposition to the Catholic religion.

Pfleger also threatened violence against a white shopowner at a rally in Chicago. See video:

YouTube - Obama's Reverend Pfleger threatens to snuff out shopowner.


I never was much... (0.00 / 0)
...for this low-brow line of judging candidates. I'm certainly not voting against Clinton b/c her pastor was arrested for molesting a 7-year-old girl.

The question is, do you believe that the candidates share every view and thought of their pastors?


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I'm still waiting... (0.00 / 0)
...for an iota of substance from you, jed. I've challenged you repeatedly to offer  your view on how things should work.

* crickets *


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Ya' know what? (0.00 / 0)
Pfleger has protested police brutality, marched against gang violence and defaced alcohol and tobacco billboards in black neighborhoods.

I think I like this Pfleger guy.  Thanks for introducing him, 'Wendy'.


[ Parent ]
This is hilarious! (0.00 / 0)
If you can't beat Obama then lets run against his pastor, his spiritual leader, and his guru!

It is shocking to me that someone I might associate with has a totally different opinion than me! Wow! And it is equally shocking to me that someone would be so stupid, so mean and divisive, that they would attach my associates beliefs to me! Now isn't that something!

There are a million reasons good people do not run for public office and 99.9% have absolutely nothing to do with a lack of ability, vision, leadership, or intelligence...

Anna, if you read this, I will tell you when Clinton first turned me off in this election...it was when she started attacking Obama, and accused him of being nothing more than a good, inspirational speech....imagine, ridiculing someone for giving people hope!


DNC Fraud! (0.00 / 1)
Harold Ickes and Tina Flournoy made the following statement this evening:
Today's results are a victory for the people of Florida who will have a voice in selecting our Party's nominee and will see its delegates seated at our party's convention. The decision by the Rules and Bylaws Committee honors the votes that were cast by the people of Florida and allocates the delegates accordingly.

We strongly object to the Committee's decision to undercut its own rules in seating Michigan's delegates without reflecting the votes of the people of Michigan.

The Committee awarded to Senator Obama not only the delegates won by Uncommitted, but four of the delegates won by Senator Clinton. This decision violates the bedrock principles of our democracy and our Party.

We reserve the right to challenge this decision before the Credentials Committee and appeal for a fair allocation of Michigan's delegates that actually reflect the votes as they were cast.



Judging by the behavior of Clinton's (0.00 / 0)
supporters (the hecklers and protestors) at the DNC meeting, and given Ickes threat to hold the party hostage (against the wills of both the Florida and Michigan party delegations), I'd say that they've done a pretty good job of marginalizing themselves.

Clinton and her supporters now have the choice of continuing a scorched earth policy and further dividing the democratic party, or working towards defeating McCain in the fall. Claims of fraud only serve to further alienate the base of the party, and play into republicans hands.  


[ Parent ]
Mark Do You Like this Idea ? (0.00 / 1)
Rape and Murder!

Pfleger also threatened violence against a white shopowner at a rally in Chicago. See video:

YouTube - Obama's Reverend Pfleger threatens to snuff out shopowner.


DNC Stupidity! (0.00 / 1)
No Quarter Comment:
Quote:
Please keep in mind that this is a statement for public consumption and I FERVENTLY hope that much is still going on behind the scenes. NOTE this in the last sentence: "We reserve the right to challenge this decision before the Credentials Committee and appeal for a fair allocation of Michigan's delegates that actually reflect the votes as they were cast." And this in the preceding paragraph re Michigan: "[Awarding] to Senator Obama not only the delegates won by Uncommitted, but four of the delegates won by Senator Clinton ... violates the bedrock principles of our democracy and our Party. ..."
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Quote:
We strongly object to the Committee's decision to undercut its own rules in seating Michigan's delegates without reflecting the votes of the people of Michigan.

The Committee awarded to Senator Obama not only the delegates won by Uncommitted, but four of the delegates won by Senator Clinton. This decision violates the bedrock principles of our democracy and our Party.
Plead from No Quarter:

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Hillary is poised to be one of the greatest presidents in the history of this nation - and we will not let anything stop her from realizing, for us and for her, the job she can do better than anyone else in the entire nation. She may be the 45th president, if not the 44th. And please donate tonight: with .44. It will LIFT Hillary's heart, and steel the resolve of her exceptional team of FIGHTERS!


What Does Rush Know? (0.00 / 1)
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RUSH: I gotta hear this again, Michael Pfleger, because I'm watching this at the top of the hour after I got off the phone with the climate specialist. I'm watching this guy and, you know, the congregation here at Reverend Wright's church, at Obama's church, this congregation is going more nuts for this guy than I ever seen 'em go nuts for Jerry Wright. And I'm watching with Snerdley, and Snerdley says, "Yeah, traitors." (laughter) Traitors. The congregation is cheering the white pastor more than the black pastor. Anyway, here's Michael Pfleger. This was visiting reverend, and this was last Sunday.

PFLEGER: When Hillary was crying and people said that was put on, I really don't believe it was put on. I really believe that she just always thought, "This is mine. I'm Bill's wife. I'm white, and this is mine. I just gotta get up and step into the plate," and then out of nowhere came, "Hey, I'm Barack Obama," and she said, "Oh, damn! Where did you come from? I'm white! I'm entitled! There's a black man stealing my show! Aaarrrgggh." She wasn't the only one crying, there was a whole lot of white people crying.

RUSH: (laughter) Listen to this guy! He sounds just like Jeremiah Wright.

WRIGHT: Barack knows what it means to be a black man living in a country and a culture that is controlled by rich white people! Hillary ain't never been called a ******! Bill did us just like he did Monica Lewinsky. He was riding dirty. In white America, US of KKKA, black men turning on black men. I am sick of negroes who just do not get it. Not God bless America, God (bleep) America. It's in the Bible -- for killing innocent people. God (bleep) America. And now we are indignant because of stuff we have done overseas is now brought right back into our own front yards. America's chickens coming home to roost.

PFLEGER: When Hillary was crying and people said that was put on, I really don't believe it was put on. I really believe that she just always thought, "This is mine. I'm Bill's wife. I'm white, and this is mine. I just gotta get up and step into the plate," and then out of nowhere came, "Hey, I'm Barack Obama," and she said, "Oh, damn! Where did you come from? I'm white! I'm entitled! There's a black man stealing my show! Aaarrrgggh." She wasn't the only one crying, there was a whole lot of white people crying.

RUSH: That is the visiting Reverend Michael Pfleger at Obama's church this past Sunday. If I am this church, I ask, "Are they trying to sink this guy? Are they trying to sink Obama?" For crying out loud, after all that has happened, do you think maybe they'd take the cameras out of there or at least shut them down and make sure that there are no audio recorders that the congregation can bring in there? You gotta stop and think about this. This is stupid! Unless there's a plan here. They must be out to sink Obama at this church, 'cause they know the whole world's watching. Well, that could be, too. Maybe they're just selfish. They're just trying to increase attendance and to hell with Obama. The thing is, this Pfleger guy, he's right. He stole that from me. I didn't say it quite that way, but we all know that the Clintons sitting around, you know, shell shocked. "What happened to us?" So anyway, after this, Obama went out there, and he said that he was deeply disappointed. (laughing) Hillary has now responded to Obama.

Obama said he's "deeply disappointed" in the preacher. Hillary is "disappointed" in Obama's response. (laughs) It's not even June yet, folks. It's not even June. We've got the bylaws committee tomorrow and the rules committee. If I'm the Democrat Party, I'm looking at this, and I'm saying, "How can we do this?" They have to know what lies ahead. And, of course, there are these rumors circulating, and I don't know if this is true, but there are a number of people suggesting -- and I first heard this, by the way, when I was gone Monday and Tuesday of last week -- that there's a video and that the Republican Party supposedly has it now of Michelle Obama speaking from the pulpit in this church talking about "whitey." I don't care if it's unacceptable, Snerdley. I'm just reporting what's out there. I'm reporting on a rumor that is out there. No, I cannot mention... (interruption)

Okay, forget I said "Michelle (My Belle) Obama." I'll just say "his wife." Obama's wife is out there. There's a rumor that there's a tape -- the Republicans have it, and we're waiting to use it in October -- of Michelle going nuts in the church, too, talking about whitey this and whitey that. You know, if I'm the Democrats are looking at this, I'm saying... They gotta know they're sitting on top of a powder keg here, and somebody in this party -- Howard Dean or somebody -- has gotta send somebody up to this church and say, "Well, you people take the next five months off, or move this congregation somewhere? Move it to Reverend Wright's house -- it's in a gated community -- so nobody can know what you're doing in there. Just give us five months, will you, and shut up!" You know, the Clintons are -- make no mistake about it -- making hay out of this, as they lobby the rules committee and so forth.
this story is picking up speed people, it's looking to be gaining ground.



Larry at No Quaarter Wait for Monday! (0.00 / 1)

B
REAKING NEWS: Michelle's Whitey Problem
By Larry Johnson on May 31, 2008 at 7:59 PM in Breaking News, Michelle Obama, Race, Race Card
New and dramatic developments. This is a heads up. I'll post the news Monday morning by 0900 hours. Now I know why people who have seen the videotape say it is stunning. Barack's headaches are only starting.


And I hear they were going to release a video tape of aliens (0.00 / 0)
peaking in somebody's window yesterday.

I love that the National Enquirer's polybloggers have finally discovered LitW! Now I can feel like I am standing in the checkout counter while blogging out.


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A Prediction: (0.00 / 0)
After Tuesday, we are never going to hear from Wendy(Hammond)Prince again.

There is nothing (0.00 / 0)
like playing the race card over and over again...

Two things...1. "whitey" just never quite gets it, does he?
            2. I'm not sure there is a god, there might be, but so much tells me there isn't one...so, does that make me unqualified to be President or anything?

Lastly, I was thinking...god allegedly gave Moses the Ten Commandments...and #1 was "thou shalt not kill"...and a little later in the Moses story, as he is leading the "chosen people" from Pharaohs armies, he drowns a bunch of them in the parting of the Red Sea....so Moses immediately broke one of gods commandments????  Or is it ok to kill if you're defending the "chosen people"?


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Actually (0.00 / 0)
The first commandment is this:

"I am the Lord thy God.  Thou shalt have no other Gods before me."

And, God passed to Moses the 10 laws after (well after) the parting of the Red Sea.  The Red Sea was parted by the will of God, and sealed (with dead Egyptians) by God as well.

I'm not saying that you don't have an argument, bigsage,  (check out the books of Judges).  But ya' oughta at least make it accurate.


[ Parent ]
Michelle Strikes Out (0.00 / 1)
Sunday, June 1, 2008
FOX NEWS says a TV network has the "Whitey" tape

In Breaking News, No Quarter reports that Roger Stone of Fox News says that a TV network HAS the tape on which Michelle Obama, Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.)'s wife, rants against "Whitey."

The following appeared June 2, 2008, at 14:43:30. See Fox News transcript:

... this has little to do with the general election and a lot to do with why hillary clinton is staying in the race. look, there is already a buzz in washington at least seven news organizations have contacted me. wanting to know how to get their hands on this tape, giving me more information than i had after i had spoken to each one of them. i now believe the tape exists and i believe a network has it. if this pans to out to be true based on michele obama's previous comment that this is the first time she had been proud of her country which i think shows an attitude it is problematic.

The bus is idling, waiting for you, Michelle.


Obama A Racist Among Racists! (0.00 / 1)
Former intelligence officer Larry Johnson at No Quarter builds on Aaron Klein's World Net Daily article about the radical Sunni terrorist group Hamas' unofficial endorsement of 2008 presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.).

Read Nine out of Ten Terrorists Love Them Some Obama.

Who else could we add to the list of haters?

Weatherman William Ayers
Bernadine Dohrn (h/t RV)
Marilyn Katz
Carl Davidson
Mike Klonsky
Rashid Khalidi
Mona Khalidi (h/t RV)
Edward Said
Louis Farrakhan
Ali M. Baghdadi
Rev. Jeremiah Wright
Rev. Otis Moss III
Father Michael Pfleger
Rev. James Meeks
New Black Panthers
Jodie Evans
Hatem El-Hady
Mousa Abu Marzook
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