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"In Montana, Democrats usually walk, talk and act like Republicans"

by: JC

Mon Jun 30, 2008 at 11:03:19 AM MST


(Nice write-up of yet another DCer trying to make "sense" of Montana. - promoted by Jay Stevens)

Unlike in Washington D.C....

Well, The Denver Post put out an interesting analysis of the general campaign's battle for western states. The Post's Karen Crummy, had a pretty "crummy" write up about the state of Montana's electoral and political campaigns in her article today, "Montana: Under the gun on many conservative issues", part of a five article series.

Let's start with "Political Identity Crisis" for $200. I thought that maybe we could continue the theme of exploring our perceptions of just where, on the political spectrum, do we believe our state, our democrats, and ourselves lie, what with all the talk of leftists, progressives, centrists, and Montana dems "walking, talking and acting like republicans."  And of course, how the national press sees how the battleground state of Montana is shaping up, what with Obama seemingly blowing in the wind on the issues as of late.

Nothing like challenging our own notions of political identity and loyalty, which seem to have generated so much chatter here at LitW lately. ;-)

Crummy starts off with the assertion that Montana is a one trick pony:

"In Montana, where "opening day" refers to the beginning of hunting season rather than baseball, a candidate's political survival usually hinges on one issue: guns.

A candidate's position on gun rights is the Montana entrance exam. Answer correctly and you can move on to discuss other issues. Give the wrong answer and most voters don't want to hear what else you have to say."

Amidst the obligatory "fair and balanced" sprinkling of quotes from Erick Iverson, Jim Lopach and Brian Schweitzer she gets around to the meat of her story, and that is that Montana is cycling back to voting for democratic candidates, and takes a stab at trying to define why we might do so in the presidential campaign...

JC :: "In Montana, Democrats usually walk, talk and act like Republicans"
"In the past four years, the state has elected Democrats for governor and U.S. senator and put Democrats in control of both chambers of the legislature. That contributes to the state's potential battleground status. But there have also been changes over the years: More people have moved into smaller cities, conservationists appear to have more clout and the state is in the midst of a restoration economy, cleaning up polluted rivers, old mines, forests and brownfields.

The state is also involved in fostering energy alternatives, such as wind power and coal gasification."

Quite a stilted view. Conservationists more clout? Wha...??? Where? How? But the real tripe of the story is from the proboscis of Montana's GOP chief:

"However, even Iverson doesn't think the state is a lock for the GOP. McCain is strong, he said, on issues like energy and national security. But he said voters notice he doesn't have an office or any real presence in the state.

"He needs to realize he could lose the state if he ignores it," he said." [emphasis added]

Happy, happy, joy, joy. This article really points up the great benefit to being a Montanan: nobody really knows how to accurately pigeon hole us. Yet Iverson correctly points the fickle finger of fate at McCain for taking Montanan's schizophrenic party (or should we say ideological--or ideo-illogical) identification crisis as a shoe-in.  

Crummy goes on in another article of her five piece look at Nevada, Colorado, New Mexico, and  Montana, to note that "Brimming with individualistic, self-reliant, libertarian-leaning voters" ...  

"Montana voters don't even register with a party." [organ pipe in background does the infamous "dun-dun-duh" walkdown]

Maybe we haven't learned to write or sign our name yet. Or maybe they haven't created a party yet that appeals to us gun-happy, libertarian, self-reliant, conservationist, restoration-loving, alt-energy type, "republicans in democrat clothing," sensitive, back-woods wackos.

And then of course, she has to top it all off with our favorite ex-home town mayor:

"The question is whether the national Democrats are finally in a position to appeal to Western voters," said Dan Kemmis, former speaker and minority leader of the Montana House of Representatives and director of the Center for the Rocky Mountain West. "Can they address and be sensitive to Western issues?"

Like appeal to the ones that seem to be having a major identity crisis, and are all over the spectrum on issues? Altogether now: it's time for sensitivity training. And just who are these self-appointed "national Democrats" that seem to be so divorced from our Montana brand of republican democrat-wannabees?

What ever happened to the notion of the Democratic party being of the grassroots--built up from the ideals of the big tent, instead of top down from the likes of the GOP's new carnival tent atmosphere?

I think I'll just go pick some more morels. At least you know--black, brown, gold, grey or tan--that they all are really true morels to the core.

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I think you really hit the nail on the head in many areas.

Only one criticism- you spelled Iverson's first name wrong.  It's Erik.  Just that.    

- Keeping the Left honest since 2001


And what would those areas be? (0.00 / 0)
Sydney ...

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There are too many (0.00 / 0)
To really go into great detail, but I agree that Montanans are politically hard to pigeon hole.  And I've also heard that Democrats are like Republicans back east... but I would disagree with that.  People are too unique to use such a generalization.

I dislike the arrogance that those from either coast have towards us.  And so does JC it appears.  Just because we do things differently doesn't mean we are stupid.

Loving guns while voting D shouldn't be so strange.

Just some random things.  

- Keeping the Left honest since 2001


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Pssst ... (0.00 / 0)
By the way, sydney, a blog is a weblog, a given web-space that logs the web and other things, like politics.  A post is what people put up ... write ... on a weblog.  They are a weblog's content.  A diary is what is posted by those who cannot post to the front page, which only displays the administered content of a weblog.  One most often encounters diaries when they are promoted to the front page of the weblog by a weblog administrator. A weblog administrator is the weblog's owner or owners.  They are responsible for a weblog's content, design, copyright and even (he adds pointedly) a weblog's history.  A comment is what people leave in response to a post at a weblog at the given invitation of the weblog administrators, or diarist if they are given that power over the content they add to a weblog.

I thought it might be useful, if you're gonna hang around these parts, that you learn the vernacular.  Good luck and good wishes, sydney.


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Whatever (0.00 / 0)
You have to try to get me on semantics?  It reeks of desperation.  Quit making this about you, Wulf.  I was COMPLIMENTING.  

Plus, I really don't care.  Blog, post, message board... rolls eyes  Get a life, Wulf.  

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Semantics? (0.00 / 0)
On the contrary.  I was instructing you in the terminology of Blogging 101. And I did it politely.  You, on the other hand, respond with arrogance, derision and silliness.  which of us would be desperate, plagiarist?  The one who instructs, or the one who fights instruction for no reason?  Yeah, that's what I thought, and that's why I brought it up.  I knew you'd piss yourself when someone attempted to assist you with most mundane of facts.

You don't know what a 'blog' is.  You don't know what 'semantics' means.  You think people owe you a pass on your ignorance because you pathetically attempted to be civil.  Yup, you're a Republican, alright.    


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You are (0.00 / 0)
all too eager to talk about how we talk instead of addressing anything I actually said.

Just like a Democrat.  :P

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Because you didn't say anything (0.00 / 0)
If you're going to jump my ass for pedantry, you'd best not have just engaged in the same concerning the spelling of mini-me's name.  What you did say was wrong, and I simply attempted to help you.  For this, you attack me personally.  You are truly a Republicant.  Wallowing in hypocrisy and incapable of recognizing reality.

instead of addressing anything I actually said.

That's because you didn't say anything.  I addressed what you wrote, sydney.  I asked you to clarify it and the best you could do was 'gee, we ain't dumb and we need some respect and some people like guns even though they vote differnt'.  It's all so random ...

I'm sorry, sydney, but when you lay out that shit, exactly what is someone supposed to "address"?


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Methinks.... (0.00 / 0)
you've just been "Woofed", Sydney.

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You gotta problem (0.00 / 0)
with education, Squid?

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I'd fix it... (0.00 / 0)
But Wulfgar might give me a lesson in letting the words lie where they fall, once the diary gets promoted... ;-)

Sticky fingers and all, you can't get them in all the right places at all the right times.


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