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Pre-emptive pardons for Bush law-breakers?

by: Jay Stevens

Wed Jul 23, 2008 at 18:49:46 PM MST


Is the Bush administration really considering pre-emptive pardons? Conservative jurists hope so, wanting Bush to head off any impending investigation of illegal government activities during the Bush years by a future administration.

The money quote:

"The president should pre-empt any long-term investigations," said Victoria Toensing, who was a Justice Department counterterrorism official in the Reagan administration. "If we don't protect these people who are proceeding in good faith, no one will ever take chances."

Sounds a lot like the Nuremberg Defense, eh? Yes, I'm aware of Godwin's Law - but we're talking about a government that was involved in illegal spying, illegal detention, torture, and kidnapping, and that reintroduced pre-emptive war to the world. At this point, we're entering a rarified arena and running out of suitable analogies. Is Pinochet a better comparison? South Africa's Apartheid state? Brezhnev?

And who here thinks the pardons will be for the regular joe spooks and other agents in the trenches? Me, neither. We've seen from the Abu Ghraib fallout how the administration rolls: throw the little guy under the bus while dodging any and all accountability.

The point here, the idea of pre-emptive pardons is odious. I don't want the government to "take chances" with my civil liberties. I want them to stay within the law, and I want accountability for those that don't, regardless of rank or station.

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Nothing can be done domestically (0.00 / 0)
Internationally is another story.  Pinochet is a better comparison than the Nuremberg Trials, in my opinion.

I'm pretty sure Bush can grant pardons to anyone he wants, for the whole gamut of crimes that they haven't even been charged with yet, except that he can't pardon himself.

Just because many of the criminals have been pardoned doesn't mean they can't be compelled by the next U.S. Congress to give evidence in ongoing investigations; I don't think Bush can pardon them for future contempt charges for investigations or trials that won't even get underway till after Bush leaves office.  This makes a big assumption that some of our Congresscritters will magically grow back some balls and regenerate their spines once Obama's elected President.  And in that unlikely event, then evidence gathered in those investigations could be used by the World Court or by other governments to hand down indictments enforceable outside of U.S. jurisdiction.


The problem is that some of our Dem leaders, like Nancy Pelosi, (0.00 / 0)
Jane Harmon and Jay Rockefeller, were complicit in some of Bush's crimes.  That's why the Dems have dragged their feet on investigating and impeaching Bush.  The investigations would show their complicity.

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