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The bailout bill fails

by: Jay Stevens

Mon Sep 29, 2008 at 11:27:15 AM MST


Bailout bill fails, 205-228.
Jay Stevens :: The bailout bill fails
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Is that a good thing or a bad thing? (0.00 / 0)


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On his website (0.00 / 0)
He's got a piece up headlined that he's voted no because of no inclusion for SRS funding....

Both PILT and SRS should be extended with any economic bailout bill.  

Still doesn't answer your question, though. Who in the hell knows?  If congress can't figure it out, how can I?


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Exactly! (0.00 / 0)
This whole thing is bigger than any of us can grasp. Looking over the history of the New Deal, I'm amazed by the amount of legislative work that was needed over more than a decade to begin the recovery from the Great Depression. And the debate still rages on 80 years later about elements of it.

I think this bailout bill is just a drip in the legislative bucket that is going to be needed to recover from the great failed republican free market experiment. Not that all bills will have price tags of this magnitude attached to it. But there is much work to be done, as you refer to with PILT and SRS. Those sort of actions and reforms might best be left to a strong dem majority in congress working with an Obama admin.

But the more I look at it, I think that a McCain presidency would be doomed to presiding over a slip into another depression. At least an Obama presidency would give us the opportunity to change directions and try and learn from the mistakes of the past.


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Re: PILT and SRS (0.00 / 0)
The House has been suspending rules and voting on all kinds of small bills.  I wish someone from some western state would but a Only SRS and PILT bill in there and get them both reauthorized.  

Cities, towns and counties across the west are hurting because of the loss of these funds.

I don't even want to think about this damned bailout anymore.  I am so frickin' pissed about the whole #*@%! situation, I can barely see straight.  Not back in session until Thursday?  I watched the vote live (when I should have been paying attention to my conference call meeting)...kept thinking that eventually they'd decide to do something - anything - and when the adjourned until Thursday I was like "WTF?!"

Hell - let's just all head to the bar.  Why not.  Shots for everyone!


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Good! (0.00 / 0)
What a piece of crap this 2 1/2 page bailout/corporate give away was.  No other plans were considered. How about we just go back and tax those individuals and couples with incomes greater than $1 million dollars...tax them at the rate BEFORE Bushes tax cuts? I believe this has been Senator Sanders idea...or how about a small tax on every investment transaction, or how about we do what Roosevelt did and buy back these mortgages from the homeowners...renegotiate the terms....give them a chance to but back their mortgage for .60 cents on the dollar...just like the big banks were going to be able to do if this bad piece of legislation had passed....

The other thing...this was little more than a Republican trap and the Demo's fell for it hook, line and sinker...unbelievably they lined up with Bush on this....

Please remember....Paulsen and Bush had carried this bailout plan around for 6 months leading up to dropping it on us two weeks ago...McCain is sinking in the polls and they are desperate....

If Obama were smart he would get 1000 mles away from this turd and stop sounding like Bush lite.


uhh (0.00 / 0)
this was not the 2 1/2 page plan.

Link.


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Well (0.00 / 0)
With the thick margins and double spacing... :P

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These guys are not Reagan Democrats (0.00 / 0)
Heck, there is no longer any such thing as a "Reagan Democrat".

Let's call them what they are...corporate owned democrats...maybe even fascist..here's a definition from Wikipedia

"Fascist governments nationalized key industries and made massive state investments."



Actually, I think Eisenhower (0.00 / 0)
said it better in an American context, re: fascism:

"In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist."

While the Wiki quote may describe accurately some of the actions of fascist states, those actions themselves are not definitive of fascism. Many people look to Eisenhower's example of creeping fascism in America, and the history of the iRaq war fulfills this prophecy quite well.

If anything, the Bush-Paulson bailout plan is just a continuation of our slide into overt fascism, though some want to sugar coat it as socialism when convenient (guilty as charged). After all, it was the Bush policy post-9/11 for the people to carry on to shop as usual. And to make sure that the people did, the money supply was increased to assure that the people wouldn't revolt over an unpopular war. Buying our silence, acquiescence, and complicity, so to say. Unfortunately for Bush, we have to pay the piper before he leaves office.


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I think its a bad thing... (0.00 / 0)
I think the bill that the R's defeated had some really good provisions in it, particularly the significantly more oversight over the spending of the money and withholding a portion of the dollars until we could see the impacts more.  But the bill would have also allowed the Treasury to take ownership stakes in companies in certain instances where the taxpayers were likely paying too much for the securities.  It also limited executive pay.  Although we all would have preferred not to even consider this bailout, I think the R's reneging on the deal is really going to cost us and the rest of the world.  

Bail out another partisan distraction (0.00 / 0)
I find it amazing that even during a financial meltdown, the American public allows itself to be duped with more partisan politics.  As long as we let the political hacks continue to distract us with whose fault it is or which party failed to deliver the needed votes; crooked Congressman will continue the looting.  

Perhaps we continue playing the blame game so we conveniently miss the fact that every congressman regardless of party knew this day was approaching yet stood by and did absolutely nothing.  

We can talk about hope and change all we want and we can blame Wall Street, mortgage bankers, and political parties but  as long as we continue to send the same entrenched politicians back decade after decade we'll find ourselves here again in the very near future.  Congress set up the rules that allowed this to get out of hand.  At some point, we should consider holding them accountable.  If not, lets at least stop complaining about why nothing ever really changes or why the same social and economic problems continue to persist decade after decade.  


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