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...and so it begins...

by: Jay Stevens

Sun Nov 09, 2008 at 23:28:20 PM MST


An otherwise reasonable blogger:

What gives these assholes the right to even think about taking our hard earned money from us. They call it Income and Wealth Redistribution. I call it theft, pure and simple. What's really scary about this is the legions of Obama fanatics that will think this is a wonderful thing to do. God help us all from what is coming.

The LA Times on Limbaugh and Hannity "holding on to their anger":

...radio's Biggest Big Man also assures us that the Democrat welcomes "economic chaos" because it gives him "greater opportunity for expanded government." In a time when the nation calls out for cool leadership and rational discussion, Limbaugh stirs the caldron, a tendency he proved in a particularly grotesque way last week when he accused Obama's party of plotting a government takeover of 401(k) retirement plans.

"They're going to take your 401(k), put it in the Social Security trust fund, whatever the hell that is," Limbaugh woofed. "Trust fund, my rear end."

A slight problem with Limbaugh's report: Obama and the Democrats have proposed no such thing.

The proposal, in fact, emanated from a single economist, one of many experts testifying to a congressional committee.

The president-elect has thus far shown as much interest in taking over your 401(k) as he has in moving the capital to Nairobi. (If you look hard, you might find that one somewhere out there in the blogosphere, too.)

To broadcast such a report -- so drained of context as to constitute a lie -- would be a shameless act at any time. But Limbaugh needlessly stirred the fears of the millions he holds in his thrall -- making the 401(k) thievery sound like nearly a done deal. Shameless.

The election was a pretty clear rejection of this kind of fear mongering. In a sense, almost overnight it made Hannity and Limbaugh dinosaurs, outsiders, pariahs. That the LA Times would go after them is a clear signal something's shifted; in the old days, the radio hacks were coddled, even feared.

It also appears these folks think they can stay relevant by stoking the fire of hate. And there do appear to be folks ready to assume the worst from a Democratic administration, even before the president-elect takes his office.

Jay Stevens :: ...and so it begins...
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Assuming the worst, (0.00 / 0)
a thought crime indeed.  I do wonder, though, who invited her to testify to begin with.  I'm sure the Democrats just did it to show how utterly insane her ideas are, right?  

from what I understand about hearings... (0.00 / 0)
...don't folks petition to testify? It's possible they didn't know what she was going to say. Or maybe they wanted to know their options in case of a economic blowout. If, say, the market collapses utterly, something like this could be a last resort to save Americans' retirement money. Or maybe they just want to hear everything, and aren't really into limiting points of view to their narrow band of ideology.

Who knows? But the fact is, enacting this policy isn't even on anybody's radar.  


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And another thing! (0.00 / 0)
I think it's horsesh*t of Limbaugh et al. to go after this kind of thing, to make even listening to different points of view a kind of crime.

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Ahh, yes, yes (0.00 / 0)
listening to all sides, considering all options, opening minds...

The testimony during those hearings from those libertarian nutcases was quite interesting too, don't ya think?  


Laffer curve kooks (0.00 / 0)
Look, I realize you're making these arguments because you got suckered on this, and you're a bit defensive. But listening to testimony is not the same as enacting policy.

And on that score, conservatives shouldn't go throwing stones, esp. after the past eight years of Laffer Curve kooks and trickle-down economists running the show.


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Um (0.00 / 0)
Suckered? Nope.  If you read my opinion on the issue you'd see that I specifically and intentionally included the quote that this was Ghilarducci's proposal.  Defensive?  Nope, just amused as all get get out.  I'll simply ask this again: Where was the testimony on the other ideas that "isn't even on anybody's radar"?    

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I for one think that we should never (0.00 / 0)
hold Congressional hearings where we invite experts with whom we disagree.

Also, Rush Limbaugh is a jerk who preys on the mild ignorance of the general public.


Um, not to conflate threads, (0.00 / 0)
... but wasn't Baucus's invitation to Pat Williams to speak on the health care meeting a few months ago an instance where the two disagree--pretty seriously? Williams for single payer, and Baucus not really stating what exactly he was for (though he pretty obviously was pandering to his PAC constituency), but being adamant about being against single payer?

These right wing talk radio mouths make a living blowing singular molehill comments into mountains. If the left wing radio show talk hosts wanted to do so they could extract many more such controversial statements uttered by neocons and zealot conservatives at hearings and parade them through the air waves. But the audience outside of Joe the six pack plumber doesn't want to hear it.

What separates the right wing from the left wing noisemakers is the ability to see through the charade. Rush and Hannity, et al. will make life as miserable for Obama and Congress as they can. That is a given. Schulz, Colmes, Maddow and others will try and grow a radio audience that moves the country forward, out of the culture wars, instead of perpetually wallowing in them.

But the rest of us don't have to waste time monitoring their drivel, and trying to sanitize the dialog (like by trying to assure that hearings are only single-sided) so as to avoid uncomfortable confrontations with ill-informed, controversial ideas. If anything, the Obama victory represents America's willingness to move into the 21st century and leave Rovian politics behind.

I for one don't want to play the street sweeper, following the GOP politician-on-horse cadre. Leave the horse pucky to compost for the next generation of republicans. Make sure it gets really stinky for them to clean up. Maybe they'll get that their ideology needs to be jettisoned and replaced, and not just repackaged as a Newt Gingrich/Sarah Palin/Huckabee bauble to be babbled and bandied about by the no-brainer bad-mouthed radio heads.

Or were you really just speaking tongue-in-cheek, Matt?


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And so it begins. . . (0.00 / 0)
I am always puzzled by those who describe taxes, and tax-related matters, as that hideous scary thing called Socialism, and think their money is being taken away from them and given to some undeserving jerks.  I would like to ask them where their money came from.  Since I am sure they didn't create it, or come by it all by themselves, where--and how--did they acquire it?  If pressed, they do have to admit it came from a society that enables hem to acquire it in the first place.  How else could they do it?  If they agree--tho by the vitriol they sometimes spread I'm not too sure they would--doesn't that mean we all have to contribute something to ensuring that the enablers in our society will continue to . . . well, enable us to acquire money. . . .which, that dirty old guvments goin to steal from us for its nefarious purposes--like keep roads and bridges safe, keeping the citizen safe, seeing to it we all have decent healthcare, and on and on.  Someone's gotta pay for it.  Here in Calif. we're having to learn that lesson: We're hot for entitlements, but somebody, some day is gonna have to pay for them.  Too often it's been our children and their children who will be left holding the bag.  So, cheer up!  Socialism has been here for a long time--socialism with a dash or two of capitalism.  Ånd it's made it possible for you to acquire the money you so jealousy guard.

politics is perception (0.00 / 0)
and perception can be deception. these guys are expert at deception for political gain and money.nothing can stop them because there will always be a small group of fans who will listen to this stuff and believe everything they say. they will however be rendered politically irrelevant.

i look for limbaugh and hannity to be finally relegated to sideshow curiosities and banished from the big tent where the great mass of the public now resides. america is finally trending progressive after 40 years of backward thought.

i often wonder what this country would have looked like if Bobbie Kennedy had lived and beaten Nixon in '68. i really think this sea change in america brought about by the most incompetent president in the history of the US is the beginning of what we can be as a people. much work yes, but many possibilities for hope remain.


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