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What Comes after the Stimulus?

by: JC

Wed Jan 28, 2009 at 11:46:25 AM MST


( - promoted by Jay Stevens)

Besides an orgasm? Just a thought. With all of the current hoopla surrounding the immediacy of the stimulus package, little thought has been given to what comes next.

Like the mass transit funding. While it would be nice to get some money into the current bill, there is going to be a need for another round of legislation that sets out some long term goals, with drawn out funding mechanisms.

Not every liberal or progressive pipe dream is going to be, or should be, stuffed into the current stimulus package. It just isn't going to be practicable to do so. What needs to happen is that major programs like mass transit, energy independence, healthcare reform, etc. all need to be addressed in programatic ways, with the view towards creating legacies. And it should be #1 priority after the stimulus package is wrapped up.

But the stimulus package should be focused on short term goals: shoring up the economy by preserving and creating jobs. Nothing more, and nothing less. Anything else just gets in the way of what really needs to get done. And creates fodder for the anti-Obamans down the road.

And the funding for family planning was just the tip of the iceberg. Sure, it could be rationalized. I listened to Rep. Wexler go through a convoluted explanation, that sort of made sense if you could follow it. But why go through those contortions? If a provision of the bill doesn't get directly to jobs, then it should go into some other piece of comprehensive reform legislation, and get its full day in the sun. I'm sick and tired of listening to Boehner get a boner talking about funding contraceptives in the stimulus package.

Everybody wants to ramrod their pet project into this stimulus bill because it offers an opportunity for dems--who have been thumb-capped for so long--to finally get the long awaited orgasm that sweeping the elections and getting some needed stimulus is providing. But the stimulus is just that: prelude to an orgasm. One that when over will leave one feeling gratified, but wanting of more. One can smoke a cigarette or take a nap once it has passed. Or one can get up and get to work on the real necessities of this country.

So that's when the new long-term relationship between the people and their country needs to begin. And it needs to be carefully thought out and prepared for. And it needs to be visionar, sustainable and with longevity for all.

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Who pays? (0.00 / 0)
Who pays for the "stimulus" package?

- Keeping the Left honest since 2001

And who paid for Bush's tax cuts for the rich? (0.00 / 0)
And who's paying for 8 years of failed republican economic policy?

Must we really ask such simpleton and idiotic rhetorical questions?


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You're not answering (0.00 / 0)
The questions.  There was no "paid for" for the tax cuts.  The so-called "rich" pay nearly all taxes so obviously they would be the one to have a CUT.  But you know that, and you also know that you use the words you do to frame the argument that benefits the policy decisions you advocate.  That's fine.

BUT- again, who pays for this "stimulus".  

- Keeping the Left honest since 2001


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Don't ask stupid questions, Syd. (0.00 / 0)
You know full well that it gets payed for right now the exact same way your beloved Iraqi boondoggle does.  It gets payed on credit.  And when the economy get's moving again, we pay off the debt, or rather our children and grandchildren will.  But before you wail and weep about how ~unfair~ that is, consider this - you expected and welcomed that exact same thing to happen when it came to destroying and occupying a country that was no threat.

Here's a real threat.  If the economy does not recover any time soon (or in this case at all) your children and their children will have no wealth with which to pay for the debt.  That would be tragic, and you won't enjoy it either.  But don't for a second point the fucking finger of blame at others when you are so culpable as well.


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If you think the "rich" (0.00 / 0)
pay almost all of the taxes, then why are payroll taxes capped at being levied on the first $102,000? How about gas taxes? Do the rich drive more miles than the poor and middle class? Taxes and surcharges on mass transit and air travel? Cigarette and alcohol taxes? Regressive property taxes? I could go on and on. But your comment that the "rich pay nearly all taxes," is absurd on all levels, and is a futile argument to make.

You're just blowing smoke out your backside here, sydney. My stupid rhetorical reply to you is: who pays if we don't stimulate the economy?

And besides that, my diary had nothing to do with extolling the virtues of the current stimulus package. If you'd read it, you'd find that I'm highly critical of it. Particularly some of the tax break provisions.

The country needs a jobs bill: preserve and create jobs immediately. The current stimulus package meets that criteria in a very limited, and some controversial ways. And there are provisions that are hard to justify in the need for this to strictly be a jobs bill. But republican policies over the last 8 years have failed to produce any job growth in the private sector, indeed they are responsible for the shedding of millions of jobs in the current downturn.

In other words, republican ideology has failed and was repudiated at the polls during the last election.

What the country needs is long term projects with tangible goals and results. Those projects should put people to work laying the groundwork for this country to rise above the failure of republican ideology and politics and go to work for the people, not the chosen few and their corporate shells.


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It's paid for by... (0.00 / 0)
the people who produce stuff, and on taxing the future of Americans.  It's taking money out of one pocket and putting into the other.

It doesn't stimulate a damn thing.


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If you don't understand the theories behind (4.00 / 1)
stimulating an economy, then you shouldn't be advocating tax cuts, either. After all, that's what trickle-down was all about: giving the monied class more money so they could by lavish things and third and fourth homes, putting common folk to work doing things like gardening and laundry, and cooking.

Get real. You haven't a clue about economic theory and what to do when a depression looms.


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LOLOLOLOL!!! (0.00 / 0)
I understand far greater than any of you Liberal "thinkers", who somehow feeeeeel that their theories will work.

You really think the Stimulus package will produce any stimulus?  Good luck with that.

If putting more money into government projects, and spending created a wonderful economy, why is N Korea a wasteland?  Why is France languishing?  What's happening in Japan?  

- Keeping the Left honest since 2001


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GWB and the rest of the right wing (0.00 / 0)
thinker's theories worked just fine. They've put us in a downward spiral towards depression, and you think any of us want to listen to your warmed over tripe? No thanks.

And i don't think the American public want to hear anymore garbage from the free-marketeers that put us in this situation. That's why the republicans were repudiated at the polls.

Reaganism is dead. Get over it.


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And who says (0.00 / 0)
That I agree with GWB?  Or that I'm even discussing him?  Right now I'm talking about  you and the policies on YOUR side.  You can't even figure out a defense.  

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We need no defense (0.00 / 0)
We won the election.

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Hahaha... (0.00 / 0)
Ok.  

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So, the warrantless wire-tapping... (0.00 / 1)
Obama's already nipped that in the bud, right?

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Sydney (0.00 / 0)
The part you don't seem to get is that elections have consequences.  OUR side won.  Yours lost ... badly.  You are in no position to demand that any person here, or the Democratic Congress, or liberal thinkers or President Obama explain or defend themselves to you.  You lost.  Deal with it.

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You're absolutely right. (0.00 / 0)
And we're going to completely let you crow, and beat your chests, and F--- it up royally.  Have fun.

- Keeping the Left honest since 2001

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If you guys "won".... (0.00 / 1)
and perceive yourselves as being so bad-ass and untouchable, why give two shits about no GOP members of the House supporting the "stimulus" package?

Just do what you want!  You don't have to answer to anyone!! Power....RAAAAWWWWWWR!!!


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LOL. Yeah, Power (0.00 / 0)
Heh.  Sucks when you ain't got it, doesn't it, Rustysyd?

Suffer, little man.  Suffer much.  Or maybe you can blame the Governor for screwing with your life ...

(Show a pair every now and then, would you?

What a wuss ...)  


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Not suffering... (0.00 / 0)
I'm just amazed at how arrogant all you on the Left have become over a short 10-day period.

So what if the GOP doesn't agree with this phony-bologna "stimulus" package?  The Dems have all the control in DC...weird it wisely =)


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