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House committee hears death penalty arguments

by: Jay Stevens

Thu Mar 26, 2009 at 20:51:56 PM MST


The bill proposing to ban the death penalty in Montana -- SB 236 --  had its day yesterday in a hearing before the House Judiciary committee. As expected, the debate was passionate.

Proponents of the ban have an arsenal of arguments at their command. The death penalty is expensive -- enough so that a number of states are looking to halt executions as a recession-era cost-cutting measure. It doesn't deter would-be murderers. Executions don't bring peace to victims' families. Innocent men and women are on death row. The practice is barbaric and hurts our moral and diplomatic standing in the world.

Our state institutions and legal system haven't earned the right to kill.

On the other side, there isn't much supporting a death penalty. In fact, there's really one reason to favor executions, and that's...well...let death penalty supporter and Gallatin county prosecutor Marty Lambert tell you:

"The death penalty is justified on the basis of retribution alone," Lambert said. "If [serial killer Ted Bundy] did not receive the death penalty, we are actually less civilized. We're not more civilized."

Retribution. ˌre-tr?-?byü-sh?n\  "Something given or exacted in recompense; especially: PUNISHMENT."

In essence, "retribution" is a payment, or payback. Almost a financial transaction. One death earns another. Retributive justice is ancient. And I guess you could call it an aspect of civilization, primitive. That explains why it's so alluring, so satisfying in a bloodthirsty way, laying the accused on the sacrificial stone.

But I think we can get beyond that. We can see what executions are: an exchange of currency defined by the murderer. I don't want the state to be involved in that kind of exchange, using its easily corrupted, often misguided and incompetent power to end lives. Let's support the ban.

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Executive action in the House Judiciary ocmmittee (0.00 / 0)
is scheduled Monday.

Please take the time to contact the House Judiciary committee before then and let them know that the chance of executing even one innocent person is just too great to make such an act a legitimate thing to do.

Testimony was moving, and much different than the Senate hearing (which I had to turn off and walk away from, so disturbing it was).  

Jimmy Ray Bromgard, from Great Falls, testified.  He spent 15 years in prison for the rape of an 8 year old that he did not commit.  You can imagine how he was treated - and he spoke to that.  With grace and conviction and no anger.  I don't know how he did it.

There was other testimony also - a guy from Illinois who spent I don't remember how many years on death row for a double homicide that he did not commit.

An American Indian woman spoke about the murder of her daughter - and how the trial focused on the murder and the death penalty - and how the victim and the family had neither little say nor little focused upon them.  How horribly tragic.

The system is human.  It makes mistakes.  And even one is too much.

Sen. Roy Brown testified in support.  So did a few other Republicans.  Sen. Brown spoke eloquently on the Senate floor when it had its hearing there, too.

Don't delay.  Call.  444-4800.


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I just checked - and since 1943 there have been only three executions in Montana. Duncan McKenzie, Terry Langford, and David Dawson.

All of these men were guilty as sin - particularly Duncan McKenzie who dragged 23-year-old school teacher Lana Harding away from her residence, put a rope around her neck, and after raping her beat her to death with an exhaust manifold, and left her dead body draped across a grain drill -

At the risk of revealing what an old-fart I am, I can tell you that if I dig deep enough I can find one of David Rodsteins business cards - he and his family were murdered by David Dawson at the old Airport Metra Inn before it was torn down -

Are these the kind of men you can sympathize with jhwygirl? If you can think of a shred of evidence that they were not guilty, or even ONE redeeming quality of any of these three men Montana executed I'd like to hear about it -

With 3 executions in 65 years I don't really think we need to change the law, other than to maybe shorten the appeals process.  


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You are willing to execute, on chance of error (0.00 / 0)
even one single person to satisfy your interpretation of justice?

The guy that I referred to above - the one that sat on death row in Illinois for a double homicide that he didn't commit?  Exonerated by DNA?  He said that a life sentence is much worse.

And here's why:  For 12 years he sat on death row.  And he watched I don't know how many he said guys who went to their deaths.  He said they walked calmly - almost looking satisfied - with their heads held high.  He couldn't figure it out. Didn't seem to make sense.

Later, he was taken off of death row and his sentence was somehow changed to life.  Maybe this became part of his retrial process or something?  And then he figured it out.  As he had sat on death row, he knew he was going to die.  So he dealt with it - it was what it was.  There was an end in sight.  But when his sentence was changed to life in prison, he suddenly was pissed off.  There was know no end in sight to staring at 3 walls and bars.  Lockdown.  No way he could come to terms with living out until his death a life like that.

Death is easy.  They welcome it.

Just so you know, Eric - I have supported the death penalty.  I just don't anymore.  It's not something I've taken lightly - and I know more about the Duncan case than I'd care to ever have to think about.  

I do not, after careful consideration and education (in terms of listening, for a long long time, to both sides and everything in between) I can not see a justification for it. For a whole bunch of reasons, I can not find one that would justify government-sanctioned killing of another.


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"For a whole bunch of reasons, I can not find one" (excerpt) (0.00 / 0)
Here are two valid reasons:

(1) Justice

(2) Revenge

These concepts are not the same - but I strongly believe in both of them -
 


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Brown's a douche. n/t (1.00 / 1)


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