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Sparkly Dish Revolution

by: Jay Stevens

Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 09:15:05 AM MST

Phosphates -- a component found in many dish and laundry detergents -- are one of the biggest pollutants of our nation's waterways. Phosphates cause "massive algal blooms in waterways."

Algal blooms look like this and this and this and have adverse effects on marine wildlife, not to mention human health. Oh, and to help understand the financial and taxpayer costs of phosphate pollution, here's a 13-page bibliography on the "economics of harmful algal blooms."

So, you know, a ban would help preserve marine habitat, protect human health, and reduce the economic, medical, and taxpayer costs associated with harmful algal blooms.

But...but...phosphates make my dishes sparkly! And, you know, that's totally worth "beat(ing my) local legislator to a bloody pulp" over! That's right, folks. Clean your guns, because it's revolution time!

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What's your solution (0.00 / 0)
To the dirty dish issue?

Oh, wait, either women have to go back to handwashing (which uses far more water not to mention time) or we should hire illegals to do it for us!!!  /snark

And I'm not even advocating Phosphates!  lol

But at some point, the environmental left has to answer questions like this if you want people to voluntarily switch.

- Keeping the Left honest since 2001

snark is funny (0.00 / 0)
mysogyny and racism isn't.

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Nope it isn't. (0.00 / 0)
((But I'm not sure why "illegal" would imply race. ))

It's why I prefer technology than going to that.

I don't like handwashing dishes, and rich people paying slave wages to illegals to do it is disgusting to me.

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Flathead Lake (0.00 / 0)
The products we but here do not contain phosphates to help care for Flathead Lake, but our dishes and our clothes get clean without them, and we buy the same name brand items everyone else does.

It sounds like someone picking a fight about nothing at all to me.  Maybe that's the point, picking a fight just to create strife.

Phosphate straws (0.00 / 0)
Phosphate (and nitrogen, and siltation/sediment, PCBs, metals, etc.) regulation in MT has been ongoing for a while now in impaired water bodies, and there's even a specific program for Flathead Lake.  The TMDL concept was created by the 1972 Federal Clean Water Act. Montana's approach is to include TMDLs as one component of a comprehensive water quality restoration plan.  If a waterbody is impaired, it results in stricter discharge standards for any source coming into the waterbody under the NPDES permit system (Clean Water Act National Pollution Discharge Elimination System).  

Phosphates, though a highly effective cleaning agent, are also an extremely powerful fertilizer (nutrient), of course.  Getting rid of phosphates has been on the radar since 1972.  This isn't new, and the environmental destruction and economic damage it causes is not trivial.  High phosphates in MT's rivers, combined with low flows and higher summer temperatures, devastate MT's native fish populations on a yearly basis.  So go ahead and get sparkly dishes, you won't be serving any trout on them.  Well we are discouraged from eating trout because of all the mercury, of course...

But here's one outstanding example of the insight presented by the comments on that website Jay linked:

Hey call me a nut - I really don't give a d@mn at this point - but IMHO these politicians all need to be beaten to a bloody pulp FOR STARTERS. We used to say there would never be violent protests and revolution again in this country. It may not be over small conveniences but there will be a straw that breaks the camel's back, and violence is looking more plausible and way more necessary.

OK, you nut.  

This straws been working it's way to the camel for 37 years.  It would be nice if it gets there, and the camel is especially light after the last 8.

These are not straws they are talking about they are strawmen, of course.


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