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Montana Dems Receiving Death Threats for No Vote on Secession Bill

by: jhwygirl

Fri Apr 24, 2009 at 17:26:16 PM MST


(I had no idea the Montana secessionists were so serious...I mean, 50 votes in the House??? My thoughts, as always, to come... - promoted by Jay Stevens)

I can't remember the last time I did this, but the issue is important enough that I am cross-posting from 4&20blackbirds

I don't know how much people have heard or read about Wednesday's vote on HR3 (I ever-so-briefly mentioned it here), but as a result of the party-line 50-50 vote, Democrats are receiving nasty emails and death threats for their "no" vote.

The bill was sponsored by Rep. Michael More, of Gallatin Gateway.  HB3 was a reintroduced version of HJ26 which failed in committee and a blast motion on to the floor.  

HB3 was presented at a "state's rights" bill, but had overtones of secession and asserted that Montana was no subjected to the United States Constitution.  James Conner, of Flathead Memo has a great piece up, history lesson and all, titled Will Montana fire on Fort Sumter? that should not be missed.

Conner also took the incentive to find out who the "horsetrading Democrat" was that let this thing ooze out of committee for the House floor vote:  Great Falls' Rep. Deb Kottel, which, sadly, is of little surprise.

jhwygirl :: Montana Dems Receiving Death Threats for No Vote on Secession Bill
Another great piece on the HB3 bill and subsequent vote is the UM School of Journalism's The Session '09 piece, titled Montana 'state's rights' resolution fails on tied vote.  That post includes some great background information and links to the out-of-state organizations supporting similar types of legislation elsewhere in the United States.

More is unapologetic about the "right-wing extremism" nature of the bills.  From Molly Priddy's piece:  

"This is a debate that has been a long time coming," More said. The resolution may be labeled as "right wing extremism," but it really deals with states' rights versus federal laws, he said, adding that secession is not the goal, but neither is it out of the question.

Priddy get's even better from Laurel's Rep. Krayton Kerns:  

Rep. Krayton Kerns, R-Laurel, said though the resolution does not imply that Montana will secede from the union, there is always the possibility.

"(Secession) is the big stick in the room that we have to occasionally display," Kerns said. "This resolution is a shot over the bow."

Krayton Kerns sure does love waving the saber, doesn't he?

~~~~~

This is your Montana GOP, folks.  Make no mistake - not one Republican broke ranks on this bill (including Missoula's HD-100 Rep. Bill Nooney).  Even now, not even one senate Republican has spoken out against this dangerous nonsense.

Nor has Montana's representation in Washington, Rep. Denny Rehberg.

The death threats?  Two days of them, now, and still {crickets} from the Republicans.

Even conservative bloggers have been silent.

This is dangerous stuff, and had this bill made it into the Senate (and I guess we should be thankful to Kottel for her "no" vote on the floor, right?), there is no telling what might of happen.

This type of persistent - remember, this bill was attempted twice, in two versions - unabashed and unapologetic "right-wing extremism" should not  be welcomed.  It should be drawn out, exposed, talked about and openly condemned.  

Not just by Democrats, but by Republicans too.

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      Simply, this bill was nothing but a Libertarian miasma.
      And Death threats ?- guess the gun nuts are cruisin to shoot those Anti-American Montanans who don't want to secede...even if it's just a 'resolution'. You wouldn't find any of these brain dead morons wanting to kill for children's health.

        William in Billings


They pulled these death threats, too (0.00 / 0)
just before the first house floor vote on Crazy Krayton Kerns' yes-you-really-can-wave-your-gun-around-in-public bill.

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huh? (0.00 / 0)
The death threats?  Two days of them, now, and still {crickets} from the Republicans.

Even conservative bloggers have been silent.

One would have to be aware of something in order to comment on it. Where are you hearing of legislators receiving death threats?


asdf (0.00 / 0)
Contact House security.  They'll verify the threats.


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Why has this not (0.00 / 0)
been reported in either the Flathead Beacon or the Billings Gazette?  They're usually on top of everything...weird.

I think you're "hearing" silence because you're the only one aware of what's going on.

Exit question:  How did you become aware of the alleged threats?


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You are right (0.00 / 0)
I do find that both the Beacon and the Gazette are first on lots of stuff.

I heard it directly from one who was a recipient.

There was some discussion prior to the house floor session on Friday by a small small group of Republicans of condemning the acts, but others objected so there was nothing said.

Both the recipients and security is taking this stuff very seriously.  


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Once again (0.00 / 0)
this place has provided a fabulous irony.  Your concern regarding death threats may be taken more seriously if the ones made here weren't swept under the rug.

Secession is a personal issue. (0.00 / 1)
Secession can be readily had for all the ignorant morons who want it.  Just leave!  Secession complete!  Might I suggest texASS!  Take natelson WITH you!

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death threat? (0.00 / 0)
who made a death threat here?

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It was in (0.00 / 0)
this thread.  It's gone now, I didn't bother to screen cap it.  The commenter is still here though...like it never happened!

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Don't be a weeny. (0.00 / 1)
What did the "threat" say?  Or are you just spouting again?

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You tell me Larry (0.00 / 0)
I'm your huckleberry.

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Really? (0.00 / 1)
I thought you were just a dingleberry!  My bad.

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DAMMIT! (0.00 / 0)
I always miss everything cool.  What did Larry do this time?!?

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Rusty, if I knew.... (0.00 / 1)
I'D TELL YA!  Apparently I offended SOMEone.  But hey, that's my nature.  You of all people should understand.

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Apparently... (0.00 / 0)
AND I MISSED IT! =(

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There was that on 4and20 that gave me chills (0.00 / 0)
http://4and20blackbirds.wordpr...

This guy went nuts, and brought hatred to these boards I haven't seen before that or since.  A bit off topic, but, I just remembered it.


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What's your proposed remedy? (0.00 / 0)
Honestly, this is the first time I read that thread. This post was written by someone who is not an editor here. What's your remedy? Shoot me an email as I don't check comment threads that often.

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Just how does something a commenter (0.00 / 0)
say here on another thread in the past have any bearing on what jhwygirl's diary is about? It doesn't.

You're just trying to derail this thread--the favorite pastime of right-wingers these days. What do you have to say about the topic at hand? Or is the seriousness by which you view a topic so skewed by the commentariat that you'd rather just complain?


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Not in agreement (4.00 / 1)
Actually, JC, it really does.  TMM saw a threat of violence and called it out, and was ignored by those who desire comment on threats of violence.  I'm not saying he's right, but it appears he sees the topic pretty well.

JC, I submit to you that Larry can be much more poisonous to threads around here than the right-wingers are.  His derails are epic.  I simply don't believe that TMM is attempting any such thing.  From his view, with some foundation, he has pointed out that outrage against the right should at least acknowledge similar behavior from the left.  But accusing TMM of attempting to derail a thread (which sole purpose appears to be outrage at the extreme right) seems itself something of a derail, and actually could appear to support TMM's point of left wing hypocrisy.


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But what does any of that (0.00 / 0)
have to do with panning jhwygirl's diary? It doesn't. She's not the guilty party.

I guess so much of this thread has been removed by down rating or editing, that it isn't making much sense to me any more. My browser says 16 new comments, I only can see 7.

I agree that my bringing that to TMM's attention was in itself a minor derail. If he wants to rail against larry's rants, he can write a diary and do so himself.  


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It Doesn't? (0.00 / 0)
If it's incumbent upon supporters of HB3 to condemn the threats of their supporters, why is it not incumbent upon those opposed to HB3 to live by those same standards?  Anyway, I did not intend to hijack anything; I was just curious about the consistency.  As requested, I'll address this issue privately with Matt, and ya'll can continue to be outraged that enough outrage hasn't been shown for the latest outrage.

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Your dinkiness is amazing! (0.00 / 1)
Are you REALLY suggesting that I made an anonymous death threats against a supporter of this HB3 as you rightwingers have apparently done?   Kind of a goofy assertion, isn't it?  In a tit for tat, you are simply a big tit!  (or more specifically a boob!)

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I don't know of any Republicans (0.00 / 0)
that condone threats.  But I'll just remind everyone that in order to condemn something, we have to be aware that it exists.  I don't have connections (unlike jhwygrl apparently) to the Legislators (or anyone else) at the Capitol or any other way to come across it so how could I condemn it?  

Should I just call the capitol switchboard every other day asking for random shit that Republicans should apologize for?  That makes just as much sense.

Perhaps a better way to raise awareness, Jhwy, would be to first explain what was happening, then allow reactions to surface.  But to go straight to complaining about our non-reaction?  Juvenile and quite beneath you.  

- Keeping the Left honest since 2001


No reply from the OP.. (0.00 / 0)
that's weird.  

Probably nothing to the story to begin with.


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Any more info on this (0.00 / 0)
that you'd like to share with the internetz?!

I told you to call the security office (0.00 / 0)
I coulda printed word for word something and you'd of all said I was making it up.  At the very least, you'd of said it was the "one and only" threat.

I find it interesting that you didn't even bother to call and ask?  


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The accusation was yours (0.00 / 0)
the burden of proof is on you.


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