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Republicans Gearing Up to Kill Health Care Reform

by: Matt Singer

Thu May 07, 2009 at 10:02:17 AM MST


Republicans in the U.S. House invited conservative wordsmith Frank Luntz to a discussion on how to kill health care reform:
Republican message guru Frank Luntz is back - this time to help Republicans try to win the war of words as they battle Democrats on overhauling health care.

[...]

Republicans will get little chance to present their own vision, Luntz warned, but they will have plenty of opportunities to stand in opposition to Democrats.

"You're not going to get what you want, but you can kill what they're trying to do," he said.

The most interesting element of the article by far is where Luntz says they "should throw private insurance companies under the bus":
"For 10 years we were carrying the water of the insurance companies because they were backing us on health care," he said. "Well, they're not anymore. They've sold out, so now you can go right back at them, because the American people blame the insurance companies more than almost anybody else for why health care is such a mess in this country right now. So you don't have to be nice to them at all."
Two things:
  1. This makes the politics of a public health insurance option as important as the policy of one. Without it, Republicans will be better positioned to wail on Democrats for forcing Americans into the private insurance market.
  2. At some point here, some Republicans are going to move to outflank Democrats on insurance reform from the left. It's a gimmick designed to kill reform and stick with the status quo.
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Republicans killing health care? (0.00 / 0)
With friends like Max Baucus, I think we need to worry about Democrats killing this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...


WTF? (0.00 / 0)
Republicans are scared shitless that Dems will deliver healthcare, which will then deliver for the Dems. Why would Baucus want to fuck this up for a few lobbyists when he can deliver it and coast on a generation of Dem majorities?

Baucus isn't the left of the party, but he isn't Ben Nelson and I'll bet he'd like a 60+ majority for years to come.


Because Baucus is a (0.00 / 0)
republican in sheep's clothing.

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CONSPIRACY! (0.00 / 0)
Try using Occam's razor tomorrow morning for better results.

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Half of Montana's (0.00 / 0)
republicans voted for Baucus in the last election. Why would he concern himself with a dem majority? He's fine acknowledging his public assessment a a fence-sitter.  

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Isn't this obvious (0.00 / 0)
Because he's a Dem and that's where he gets his power via the committees.

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No, (0.00 / 0)
he gets his power from the lobbyists and corporations that fund him. The committee is just where he wields it, Chair or ranking member.

Have you forgotten the picture of Baucus standing behind Bush as he signed the first round of tax cuts in 2001? The "Grassley-Baucus Plan?" Max and Chuck share power, no matter who is chair. If you haven't noticed, they even share hand jobs under the desk during proceedings.


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You're confusing the signifier and the signified. (0.00 / 0)
How does he get power from lobbyists and corporations?

Your logic undermines itself. Anyone who donates to a politician does so in hope that said politician will promote their agenda (corporate, social, or otherwise) using the power of their office.

Why would corporations donate to a candidate who's only power is those donations?

If I win the lottery, my power derives from the cash (the signified), not the lotto ticket (the signifier).
 


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Ok, let's go about this a different way (0.00 / 0)
You seem to want to argue semantics. Why don't you answer this question for me?

"Why would Baucus want to fuck this up for a few lobbyists when he can deliver it and coast on a generation of Dem majorities?"

Answer that question and you are the grand PooBaa of the year. I happen to think Baucus is a Democrat of convenience, and that is what drives his strategy. I have come by that opinion after watching him in action in politics for 35 years. You have dismissed that. So let's hear your explanation for Baucus' actions.


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Let's not forget (0.00 / 0)
The political landscape of Montana today is a rather recent development. Baucus became Senator as the modern Conservative movement was just getting started, and about the time Montana sunk into virtually complete Republican control. How does that jive with the supposed "convenience" of being a Democrat.

True convenience would be becoming a Republican, as the other successful politician of that era (Racicot) did successfully (in term of votes/approval, certainly not policies.)

Why are you so convinced he won't lead this fight as he did with Social Security "reform"? Delivering would certainly cement his name among the likes of Mansfield and Metcalf.

The question is to what you attribute his motivations. At 67, having achieved a position of virtually assured reelections do you think he wants to screw us for some donations that he doesn't really need or have his name in every textbook next to Obama as the team that reformed healthcare?



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You trace the modern conservative movement to 1978? (0.00 / 0)
(he was elected to the house in 1974)
That's stretching it rather far, isn't it?

I know what Max's motivations are. He's a whore for the health care industrial complex. When Max  crossed the aisle to give bush a major corporate victory on the Medicare drug bill that outlawed importation of cheaper drugs from Canada, outlawed Medicare from negotiating for fair prices with the drug companies, used tax dollars to subsidize the drug companies and ran up the prices of drugs across the board, it was obvious what motivates Max.

When Max said that the public option was a good bargaining chip, it became clear he intended to lead this fight on a race to the bottom.

He already delivered the drug company written Medicare drug bill. You want more of the same?


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On the contrary. (0.00 / 0)
Most movement conservatives would tell you that the modern conservative movement was sparked by Goldwater's '64 Presidential campaign. That campaign's failure, and the moderation/liberalism of the Nixon administration, led to serious soul-searching and retooling throughout the 1970s that led to the movement's zenith in the Reagan presidency.

Reagan is without a doubt the most celebrated American conservative, and he  won the 1980 election with the help of conservative infrastructure founded during 1970s.

Moreover, you can trace the birth of modern neoconservative thought directly to Nixon's 1974 resignation and the consequent crusade by Cheney, Rumsfeld, etc. to restore power to a unitary executive.

The Contract with America was just a rehashing of Reagan/Heritage ideas from the mid-80s, and while Bush was elected twice, his narrow election wins and neoconservative taint really mark the Decline and Fall of the modern conservative movement.

When do you think the modern conservative movement formed?

1964
Goldwater campaign
Civil Rights Act
Strom Thurmond switches parties

1966
Reagan elected Gov of CA '66
Republicans pick up 47 House seats

1972
Nixon's "Southern Strategy" (premodern conservative lays groundwork for modern conservative successes)
American Association of Christian Schools founded

1973
Heritage Foundation
John Connally switches to Republican party
ALEC founded

1974
Nixon (premodern conservative) resigns
Free Congress Foundation
Bob Jones sues IRA

1976
Reagan runs for president

1977
Focus on the Family
Cato

1978
Manhattan Institute founded
Christian Voice founded

1979
Moral Majority founded
Gingrich elected to Congress
Concerned Women for America founded
Claremont Institute founded

Late '70s on
John Birch Society (premodern conservatism) declines

1980
Reagan elected President
Senate goes Republican
Traditional Values Coalition founded


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