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Baucus listening tour making headlines

by: Jay Stevens

Fri May 29, 2009 at 10:01:45 AM MST


A couple of cool articles on Max Baucus health insurance listening tour appeared in Montana media today. There's the piece by Vince Devlin in the Missoulian about pesky Montanans who want single-payer health care on the table in the discussion on health care reform. John Adams has a similar report on how single-payer advocates across the state are giving Baucus an earful:

"Max is really making me mad now because he's not really trying to change the system, he's just trying to tweak it," said a Helena business owner who drove over for the meeting. "If Max really wants to leave a monumental legacy to show for all of his years in the Senate, then he's going to have to find the courage to tear down (the current system)."

But make no doubt about it. Single-payer health care is off the table. While a majority of Americans would prefer universal, nationalized health care, a bill supporting single-payer health care can't even get off the ground in the House. And that's the more progressive body, by far. Whether Baucus is responsible for that fact, or he's just pragmatic in scripting reform that doesn't consider single-payer health care is moot.

Still it's good to see the anger and mobilization of Montanans. While it's possible the listening tour was intended as a way to placate Montana voters, it's quickly turning into a daily news story about how Congressional health care reform is falling far short of what everyday Americans want. In short, it's one big black eye for the Baucus health care plan.

Again, the real issue at hand is whether there's a robust public insurance option in the proposed health care reform. And I can't help but think that this increasing pressure is making the inclusion of a public option politically mandatory. Details of the health reform plan Ted Kennedy is crafting on the sly  are surfacing, and it apparently includes a very strong public option, including opening up Medicare to families of four earning $110K or less. And it looks as if there's going to be a tussle between Baucus and Kennedy in the Senate over the direction of health care, which will be a lot of fun to watch.

A Billings Gazette article reminded us there are other issues involved in health care reform:

That goes especially for health insurance plans, which can be so confusing that consumers avoid making potentially beneficial coverage changes because they don't understand their policies.

"I quit selling (some plans) because I can't explain them," said Webb Mandeville, a Columbus insurance agent....

Several speakers on Thursday complained that the current system is too complicated to be functional. Whatever reform the government implements needs to simplify what already exists, they said.

But not everyone was convinced a government fix could make health care less complex.

That's right. What about the administrative mess our current insurance system creates? It reminds me again of that interview with Princeton health care economist Uwe Reinhardt in which he said that Americans' problem with our health care system isn't the care we receive, but in the way we purchase it. That should be a vital component of any health care reform, but an aspect of health care that doesn't seem to be getting much airtime. Right now, talk about health care reform seems to be concentrating on two things: universal coverage, and reducing costs.  

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good post jay (0.00 / 0)
i would just caution you about paying too much attention to what the entrenched washington insiders say about the possibility for single payer being on the table....not sure they really know what is going on out there in the rest of the country.

this may be the last straw for the middle class if it is not handled well...and so far baucus's health care hearings have been handled very poorly indeed. if the same geniuses who advised baucus to throw out doctors and nurses are where you are getting your insider information then i would caution you to get a new seismograph. http://4and20blackbirds.wordpr...

United we stand, divided we fall.

power to the polite people!


Sorry Jay (0.00 / 0)
but I refuse...and apparently a whole lot of other Americans refuse....to let Obama, Baucus, or any member of Congress, take single payer off the table...

Look, this stuff is important...passing a real good health care plan (not a mediocre, first start plan) will set up the Democrats for 30 years of election wins...getting the private insurance companies out of health care...for the most part... will bring costs down and be vastly more efficient...and getting them out of the health care business will mean guys like Baucus won't be raising $1.5 million from corporate whores each election cycle...at least not the big pharma, HMO, insurance company whores.

As for Kennedy and his plan...yes! It is his committee that should be holding hearings NOT Baucus and the Finance Committee...


Personal note to Mini Baucus. (0.00 / 0)
Dear Mini, why can't we ALL have the same government health insurance that YOU have, Min?  You see, Mini, we want Maxi Care!  In other words, what YOU get!   Now Mini, don't get me wrong.  I will support your half-assed nonsense...........for a price!  If you give me all the money that your recieve from the insurance industry, by God I'll be your biggest cheerleader! AND, I'll be able to afford some quality health insurance. Deal?  If not, you're done next  election, Mini.  

my barber's a great place to get fishing/hunting tips...off-color jokes....but (0.00 / 0)
not so reliable when it comes to politics. cafes are much better barometers of what people think. barber shops are like blogs- occasional useful information but too much soap-boxing.....but like blogs- barbers can be very entertaining....

United we stand, divided we fall.

power to the polite people!


max is not worried much about reelection.... (0.00 / 0)
but some of his fellow democratic congress people are...and they are getting more than a little nervous about the reaction from the public regarding health insurers...hence the gentle but firm tug on max's leash that recently came from ted kennedy- making max eat his words and meet with single payer representatives may 5th.

max's own staff are crapping their pants about what just happened at the listening tours so....could get interesting this week.

i know this much. the republicans are dead in the water and drifting toward a waterfall...the only thing that can save them now is if the democrats get real stupid and piss off the american people by going weak on health care reform.

health care is the last straw for the middle class. the rich have what they want already. the poor are treated without being billed. the middle class is the only one taking it in the neck from private insurers. they want real reform or they will look elsewhere for leadership and toss a tow rope to the republicans in 2010. mark my words- there will be hell to pay if the democrats screw this up.
but if they do it right and get the insurance leeches out of our wallets then they can plan on clear sailing for a long time-

mark is wrong about who to keep your eye on - don't worry about the parties- but keep a sharp lookout on the middle class. they are getting edgy.....

United we stand, divided we fall.

power to the polite people!


IT'S THE MONEY, STUPID! (0.00 / 0)
No, I'm not calling you stupid, wolverine. Just trying to make a point. It's all about money.  It  USED to be that we all pretty much had health insurance, and we took it for granted.  But sumthin' started happening about  fiteen years ago.  Health insurance costs went off the charts, if you could even GET it.  Hence, people who had worked and saved their entire lives were suddenly becoming impoverished, bankrupt, and losing everything simply because of medical catastrophes.  And this happened to not just a small number of people.  TONS of folks have bankrupted themselves in just this very fashion. Tons more realize that it could happen to them overnight!  All it takes is one bad diagnosis and you're toast! There is a veritable army of angry people out there ready to confront a big wussy like baucus.  That's why Mini sends his vassals on the "listening tour".  Vassals (rhymes with a**holes) are willing to get lambasted to spare wussy max the ordeal.  It's just the way they are.  You see, the American people  aren't stupid.  Even though they might not understand ALL the arguments, they know enough to know that they're gettin' hosed REAL good by Mini and his industry benefactors.  And this rankles them to no end!  The supposed "richest"  country in the world can't afford measely friggin' HEALTH insurance for its people, yet every  OTHER country in the world can?  Sumthin' real WRONG with this picture, and Mini's right in the middle of it!  If Mini and company had ANY nuts at'all, they'd cut that damned useless "defense" budget in half and start providing what we REALLY need, and it AIN'T another B-whatever bomber!  After all, this is America, home of the brave and the nutless wonders like Mini Barfus!

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sorry - factual error in my comment... (0.00 / 0)
max has been ordered to eat his words and meet with single payer advocates on june 3 - this wednesday.

the single payer rallies around the state of montana are on june 5 - this friday.

things are coming to a head here folks and the political centrifuge will soon seperate all the elements as events pick up speed...gonna need to pay attention now and get my facts correct. sorry.

United we stand, divided we fall.

power to the polite people!


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Too much of the Congress is still well to Max's right on reform (0.00 / 0)
Ron Wyden is pushing for a trigger on a public option. Maria Cantwell and Mary Landrieu are currently backing that proposal. Ben Nelson until recently had only straight opposition to a public option.

Jon Tester has only said he is open to a public option and certainly has not committed to one.

Max's job in this process is the job of nearly everyone who wants to get a bill passed: figure out how to pass the bill. If kowtowing to insurance companies gets the bill passed, there will be more kowtowing to insurance companies. If hanging them out to dry gets more votes, they'll get hung out to dry. But the politics of this are far more complicated than Mark T makes out because the whole sixty votes thing is very real in the Senate, because reconciliation is not a fail-safe process.


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Wydon's trigger is an attempt to compromise with the left who has put the public option on the table. (0.00 / 0)
and of course, if that (the trigger) gets the votes then a trigger we will get along with compulsory purchase of private insurance which is sure to get the votes. That's not even an "if."

I understand that the Senate is interested in passing anything as long as they can then claim they did something. They of course see this as a PR problem and really aren't that interested in what Americans see as the problem except possibly in an abstract way and as to how it affects their reelection.

As I recall, the Medicare Drug benefit  for some mysterious arcane and completely unknowable reason didn't require 60 votes to pass the Senate. In fact a number of Repos voted against it.

Oh yeah, I remember. The Dems are scared silly of the Repos, but the Repos aren't afraid of the Dems at all.

Both Baucus and Wyden have said that they both want at least 70 votes on anything that passes.

So we know anything that passes will have to be acceptable to millionare Repos, screw people,  and help the richest corporations get richer.

Meanwhile, we are still being ripped off. The politics of that apparently are fairly simple.



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