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Ezra defines the types of public options...

by: Jay Stevens

Mon Jun 08, 2009 at 15:12:42 PM MST


I shoulda known that when I wrote the other day about the different kinds of public option plans that were being batted around Congress that Ezra Klein had already written a post on the same topic, only better.

Read the whole thing. It describes well the meaning of the public option in this battle for health care reform.

The full text of Klein's description of the three types of public option plans as he sees them are below the fold...

Jay Stevens :: Ezra defines the types of public options...
• The "Trigger" Plan: Olympia Snowe is pushing this compromise, as are some conservative Democrats. The basic idea is that the public plan would act as an invisible threat: It would be "triggered" into existence if the private insurance market was unable to offer, say, enough options in a particular region, or enough cost control. In addition, the public plan would only come into existence in this or that region, or this or that state. It would be effectively useless as an insurer. It could potentially have some competitive effect in that private insurers would still work to avoid its existence. Some have argued, however, that the conditions being mentioned in the "trigger" proposals have already been met.

• The Weak Public Plan: This is what people are talking about when they refer to a "level-playing field." This incarnation of the public plan -- first proposed by Len Nichols at the New America Foundation and later echoed by Peter Harbage and Karen Davenport at the Center for American Progress -- would have no special advantages over private insurers. It couldn't use the low rates that Medicare sets or access taxpayer subsidies. It couldn't force its way into networks. It would simply be another insurer, albeit with different incentives than traditional insurers.

• The Strong Public Plan: This would be like Medicare for the rest of us. It could throw the federal government's weight around. It could negotiate deep discounts with providers. It could muscle its way into networks. Outside groups like the Commonwealth Fund estimate that it would save the average consumer 20 percent to 30 percent. That would give it a massive competitive advantage over private insurers, and would probably result in tens of millions of Americans dropping their current coverage and entering the public plan to save money. A variant of this was in the draft of Ted Kennedy's bill that was leaked last week.

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And here's what you get (0.00 / 0)
when you start compromising from a weak position:

"No, I'm not open to it. I'm not open to a public option," said [dem Senator] Landrieu. "However, I will remain open to a compromise, a full compromise. Public option is not something that I support. I don't think it's the right way to go."

"Landrieu Opposed to Public Option"

When a weak public option becomes the liberal position from which to begin a compromise, well then, you're going to get a republican plan as your final bill.

At least Nelson said he'd vote for an up or down. Will Landrieu? Or is Harry Reid totally out of control of his centrist bloc?


Single payer hearings in House AND Senate (0.00 / 0)
Looks like Max may not be able to keep singlepayer off the table much longer...no matter what Wulfgar or Matt think about it's political viability.  This just in.
June 9, 2009 at 11:06:57

BREAKING NEWS: BIG BREAKTHROUGHS FOR SINGLE PAYER HEALTH CARE

by Kevin Zeese    

Less than a month after 13 single payer advocates were arrested protesting the exclusion of single payer, it is at the table in both Houses, making progress while the multi-payer pro-insurance reform is faltering.

When we started our campaign one month ago to put single payer national health insurance on the table, we were ignored.

When we stood up and demanded that single payer be part of the debate, we were arrested.

Today, single payer is breaking through, while the multi-payer pro-health insurance reform is faltering.

Here's the news, single payer national health insurance will be at the table in the Senate with a witness participating in a hearing this Thursday.  And, on Wednesday a hearing is being held on single payer in the House of Representatives.

The Senate Committee on Health, Education and Pensions has invited Margaret Flowers, MD of Physicians for National Health Policy to testify this Thursday at 3:00 PM in a hearing on health care reform.  Flowers was one of the Baucus 13 I was arrested with three weeks ago protesting the exclusion of single payer from Senate Finance Committee hearings.

And, on Wednesday, the Health, Employment, Labor, and Pensions Subcommittee of the House Education & Labor Committee will hold a hearing titled "Examining the Single Payer Health Care Option" this Wednesday, June 10th at 10:30 am in
2175 Rayburn House Office Building, Washington, D.C.

Single payer is making advances while the multi-payer pro-insurance industry reform bill is faltering.

-          There are deep divisions over how to pay for the reform with the very unpopular taxing of health benefits now being considered.  This was something President Obama opposed during the 2008 campaign.  Paying for single payer is much easier as the waste, fraud, abuse and bureaucracy of the health insurance industry - totaling $400 billion annually - would be applied to providing health care. Single payer pays for itself while multi-payer will add to the deficit.

-          Mandating that people buy insurance or face fines, another provision President Obama opposed during the campaign, is gaining popularity among pro-insurance company legislators. And, the mandates would provide subsidies to the poor so they can purchase insurance - of course this is also a subsidy to the health insurance industry.  The working class which cannot afford to purchase insurance will feel the burden of this requirement.  Under single payer people are provided health care without these costs which is one reason it is the most popular reform among voters.

-          The Public Insurance Option is opposed by Republicans and the insurance industry.  While several schemes have been reported to make the public choice option ineffective, it is causing deep divisions.  Single payer is the most popular health care reform among voters, doctors, nurses and economists because it provides all Americans with choice of doctors and providers.

-          The business community is questioning the pro-insurance reforms because they will include mandates on business requiring them to pay for health insurance.  At this critical time business needs relief not burdens.
Single payer will provide businesses with economic relief by reducing the costs of health care and leveling the playing field among all businesses and allowing them to compete internationally with other countries with single payer systems.

In an effort to save the faltering pro-insurance reforms, President Obama announced his administration would be getting directly involved in health care negotiations with Congress.  And, he announced town hall meetings throughout the U.S.

President Obama will find that at all of these town hall meetings single payer will be the most popular reform among Americans.  He needs to listen to voters.  When Obama was in the Illinois Senate he said he supported single payer but that before Americans got it  they needed to win back the House, Senate and Presidency.  Well, all three are now in Democratic Party control.  It is time for President Obama to advocate for the people and push for single payer, and the multi-payer system as the insurance industry is the root cause of the problems in health care.

For those who support single payer, now is the time to escalate your activity.  Contact your member of the House and Senate today (202-224-3121).
Let Congress know you want real health care reform not a subsidy for the insurance industry.

Health care reform falling apart as details become known

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Congress considering taxing health benefits

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Robert Reich on how health care profiteers plan to kill public option

http://www.prosperityagenda.us...

Insurance companies push to force people to buy insurance

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Kevin Zeese is Executive Director of the Campaign for Fresh Air and Clean Politics (www.FreshAirCleanPolitics.net) whose projects include Voters for Peace (www.VotersForPeace.US., Prosperity Agenda (www.ProsperityAgenda.US), True Vote (more...)


Well, I stand corrected. (0.00 / 0)
However, being at the table and being on the table are two entirely different things.

Perhaps the people really do have a voice, and Steve W ought to back off blaming the people for not following him.  Just a thought ...


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No need to "correct" (4.00 / 1)
Wulfie -  My intent was not to "correct" anyone in this discussion, merely to post some hot off the press info that just hit my inbox.  Quite frankly, all too often we lose sight of the issue in these discussions due to "corrections" of each other's posts, so I'm personally trying not to come off as some kind of corrector.  Especially on this very fluid, very touchy issue.  None of us really knows what's going to happen and I, for one, am happy to be on the side of the singlepayer advocates since I firmly believe that if and when they actually pencil out the costs and benefits, it will become obviously the best choice for the future.  

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Then we have an accord. (0.00 / 0)
I truly believe that single payer is the most efficient way to provide health coverage to a populace.  I also believe that single payer is a political non-starter.  It is coercive.  It is a demand of the people, as opposed to an opportunity.  Not once, in the long history of this nation, has such a large mandate been met without violence and fear.  It's like telling the people "Here, let me tax the crap out of you.  You'll be better off, I promise..."  Those of us who actually study such things know that we will be better off with single payer.  But the promise won't cut it.  It has to be shown and proven, or single payer simply won't fly.

It is not my intent to be obstructive.  It is my intent to be a realist about the American will.  About 75% of the country has what they consider "good coverage".  They don't want to give that up for an unknown (and yes, I'm one of those.)  If you demand that people do what is right, and leave the open threat that doing so may hurt them personally, you will not get their support ... ever.  Some have stupidly gone much further, by deriding others for being concerned about their own well-being as opposed to the pet issue of the accuser.  Presenting "single payer" as a bargaining position, as Steve W and Mark T attempt, is just utter foolishness.  Either it has value in itself, or it does not.  If it does, one had best damned well be selling that, and not it's mythical properties as a sacrifice for compromise.

I know that yours was not a personal attack, GO.  As I've indicated, I simply wish to promote what is really at hand, and not the fallacy associated with it.  If the people have the power to bring about single payer, then now is the time.  Whining as if it is a chip on the betting table is kinda silly.  I don't much cotton to that.


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Spineless...no check that... (0.00 / 0)
It isn't that the Democrats lack a spine...their problem is they are unwilling to get off the big money teat that corporate America offers them..

The Democrats have the votes...last time I checked the Republicans had 40 votes in the Senate and the Democrats had 59...the Democrats won the election...AND the people have spoken...LOUD and CLEAR...they want a health plan and preferably single payer..So earth to Max and Obama...WE WON!!!! Now govern like you won...

Max says the votes aren't there...HOGWASH!!!!  It isn't votes they lack, it's the willingness to get off the corporate gravy train that pumps millions into their reelection campaigns...that is what is lacking...

I tell you..the Democrats don't get it...passing single payer...comprehensive, cost effective, quality health care will lock up 30 years of electoral success...social security did it back in 1939...health care will do that today...

It's time to rebuild the middle class in America and this is step one.


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