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The Bipartisan Tax on Health Benefits

by: Matt Singer

Thu Jun 11, 2009 at 10:58:55 AM MST


My friend Ezra Klein, whom I quote far too often (or perhaps not often enough), has a smart post up on the price of bipartisanship on healthcare reform:
There's an obvious logic to bipartisanship, particularly when you're pursuing large reforms in a closely divided republic. But I'd like to see some transparent calculations about the worth of bipartisanship. The question of Republican votes, after all, isn't whether they are, all else being equal, a good thing. It's whether they're worth the tradeoffs necessary to attain them.

Broder and the Post editorial board focus other portions of their arguments on the importance of cost controls, for instance. So it would be interesting to see them explain how many Republican votes you have to gain to justify losing a policy that would lower the costs of health insurance by nine percent a year, as the Lewin Group estimated a "level-playing field" public plan would do. And how many Republican votes are worth sacrificing a policy that would lower the cost of health insurance by between 20 percent and 30 percent a year, as the Commonwealth Fund estimated a "strong" public plan would do?

So let's estimate the cost of bipartisanship and determine whether or not it is actually worth it, assuming the Lewin Group and Commonwealth Fund crunch their numbers roughly accurately.

According to the National Coalition on Health Care (and organization I know nothing about):

The annual premium for an employer health plan covering a family of four averaged nearly $12,700. The annual premium for single coverage averaged over $4,700.
Let's hedge a bit and estimate savings from a "level-playing field" at 6% and from a strong public option at 10%.

That works out to a level-playing field saving a "typical" family of four (or the breadwinner's employer or some combination thereof) $762 a year on premiums under a level playing field and $1,270 a year with a strong public option.

You can do the math for the individual, but it is a significant sum of money.

In otherwords, if bipartisan means no public option, than bipartisan means the Congress deciding that your family would be better off $1,000 poorer every year.

And that's the typical family with employer-provided coverage, so for the people trying to fend for themselves on the small group or (heaven forbid) the individual market, the savings would be even bigger.

That's not to say that there aren't tradeoffs. If Chuck Grassley opposes a bill AND said bill passes, in all likelihood we are on the road to serfdom. Note, of course, that it will be a slightly richer serfdom than our current free prosperity, but serfdom just the same. Or something. And stuff.

The ultimate irony here is, of course, that the conservative objections to healthcare reform so far have focused largely on the concern about choice and cost. Of course, the proposals on the table to offer a new public option (choice!) that would cut expenses (cost!) for Americans is being treated as anathema.

It makes one think that these Republicans aren't so worried about choice and cost as they pretend to be. Or they've invented a new economics that would put new math to shame in its mindlessness.

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good work Matt (0.00 / 0)
Keep on this. I've been back-and-forthing with Wyden's Chief of Staff for days in public and private, trying to show the absurdity of standing behind his plan under the false flag of "bipartisanship." To me, Broder's assent is another big nail in the coffin.

My piece at Loaded Orygun on Wyden and health care...


Dude, (4.00 / 1)
What do you have against new math?

Underlying all of the Republican objections is the same principle.  They will happily pay more for themselves so as not to have to pay for 'freeloaders'.  That's what cost control to these folks mean.  "I'll pay for me but not for that lazy ass who won't work as hard as I'd like think that I do!"  That thinking is underwritten by a delusion, the false sense of authority.

Examine "bipartisanship" under that lens, and you find that no 'trade-off' will be acceptable to those folk unless they feel that they are getting more than their lessers are getting.  They don't really care what kind of health care they're getting, as long as it's better than what that unemployed shiftless neighbor gets.

There's your new math right there.  It's the math of subjective moral value, and no one wants to save on that to provide it for others.  You can throw numbers at these folks until the cows come home.  You're simply not offering a mathematic that they understand.

The urge for 'bipartisanship' is not,as is commonly accepted, a tactic for compromise.  It is simply one more tactic for the righteous to shame the realistic into giving them the authority they so richly deserve ... in their own minds.


Public Plan (0.00 / 0)
It seems to me we should stop using the word "reform" if the public plan is not part of the final legislation.  Too much "bipartisanship," and we will be back to the drawing board before we know it, because the actual reality of the immense failure of the current system has no regard for the political reality.  Great job on this healthcare stuff, Matt.  Although we've never met (I was in Anderson freshman year), we have more than one mutual acquaintance. Here's a link to my current project.  I'll be back.

Two-party myth a distraction... (4.00 / 1)
Who cares what either party thinks if a majority of both are corporatists?  Trillions have been thrown at insolvent banks and insurance giants.  That's bipartisan.  Now, what makes anyone think public health care is any different.  Believe what you will, but that doesn't make it real.  Both parties are corrupt.  Both will in the end do what their corporate masters tell them to do.  The rest is stagecraft and finger-pointing.

And I thought I was negative ... (0.00 / 0)
Steve, I'm not saying that you're wrong.  But I would be very interested to know this.  Given your rather bleak outlook, plucked almost directly from Rollerball, I would like know what you council for moving ahead.  Do we cede defeat to our corporate masters?  Do we become revolting a violent revolutionary force?  Do we await the Rapture that these corporate devils may get their comeuppance?  All tongue-in-cheek aside, seriously, what are advocating?

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Well, Steve's ran for Congress several times (0.00 / 0)
2002: "Montana Fusion, Steve Kelly's Wild Run for Congress"
The economy is tanking," says Kelly. "We were watching it teeter like the twin towers. And all the while, big business is ripping people off faster than ever. They start with the poor and defenseless and work their way up. People are worried about their social security and access to health care. I'm for universal health care. People say, but that's socialism. I say: name me something that isn't socialism. Except when it comes to small businesses and working people."

At least he puts his words into action... The Jeffrey St. Clair article is a nice jumping off point to get to the meat about Steve.


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I know who he is, JC (0.00 / 0)
At least he puts his words into action

Yes.  So did Steve Eschenbacher and Carol Minjares.

That wasn't the question I asked.  Within the venue of this post, I would really like to know where Steve thinks we need to apply pressure or take action.


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Steve Kelly is no blahger! (0.00 / 0)
Do the walk ahead (or instead) of the talk! There's a BIG difference!

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And I just thought (0.00 / 0)
that if you were going to draw Steve out, that some of the other readers here could benefit from some knowledge of who he is, and where he stands...

And I'm not sure why you would compare Steve with Eschenbacher and Minjares???


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That would be based on your argument, JC (0.00 / 0)
I wasn't trying to "draw Steve out". I just wanted an answer.  He provided such, well. The appearance of your argument was that I shouldn't even ask because he ran for office and was to be valued because of that.  Do I really need to go farther?  Really?  

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For someone who doesn't like other people (4.00 / 1)
reading between your lines, I'd appreciate the same. While you may allow yourself to rail tongue-in-cheek, I was just straight up supplying a public comment that Steve made about health care while running for Congress. Thought it was relevant.

To me, "drawing out" is just another way of asking for an answer. I happen to think it is a good question too, as I have always valued Steve's ideas, observations and opinions, going back 20 years. "Puts his words into action" was meant just to be a compliment to Steve, as many commenters are all blather and bluster in their anonymity--which occasionally includes myself...


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Okay (0.00 / 0)
To me, "drawing out" is just another way of asking for an answer.

Then I offer my apologies.  I misunderstood your context.


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Matt..this is simple (4.00 / 1)
the people have spoken...Nov 2008...we won...Democrats have a 59-40 advantage in the Senate and a solid majority in the House...we can have ANY PLAN we want...how good...or how bad... the final plan is...depends on the Democrats.

Either way, NO ONE is going to be blaming or praising the Republicans for the plan we get...

Rather than encouraging bipartisanship...rather than spending your energy on anything else...you should be advocating...lobbying...getting down and nasty with Democrats like Baucus/Nelson/Landrieu (?) for single payer...period..end of discussion...do not accept that crap about "the votes aren't there"....(unless of course you are reminding Baucus that should he run again, the votes won't be there if he does not get onboard single payer)

Noboay...except the corporate thugs, and the politicians on their payroll,  will be sorry if single payer passes with 51 Democrats voting YEAH. Trust me...


Corn Pone Opinions (0.00 / 0)
"Tell me whar a man gits his corn pone, en I'll tell you what his 'pinions is" - Mark Twain quoting a black slave.
http://grammar.about.com/od/cl...

It should be pointed out that the Lewin group is a wholly owned subsidiary of insurance behemoth United Health Group.

And it should be pointed out that most of the the Board of directors of the Common Wealth Fund are tied into the the health care industrial complex pretty tight.

So there 'pinions might be effected, as Twain asserts, by where they get their corn pone from.

For all we know, a level playing field might increase health care costs, and a strong public plan might have no effect.

How would we know?

By the way, the Twain piece is not too long and an excellent read. I highly recommend it.


Isn't that really the problem? (0.00 / 0)
I'm not trying to offend, but still:

For all we know, a level playing field might increase health care costs, and a strong public plan might have no effect.

Then why, really, why would anyone support such an unknown?

Steve, since you seem to have willfully and spectacularly missed it, this is the very source of what disagreements you and I have had.  You may think you've just been sarcastic, or clever or witty.  But the simple truth to any who actually follow polling will know that you've just pinpointed the very concern of the voters you need for your agenda.

Seriously, Steve.  Explain it as if I'm a 6 year old.  Why, if health care reform could even remotely possibly screw me over, would you think that I would in any way support such nonsense?


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having forsaken the high road... (0.00 / 0)
baucus grabs pick and shovel and tries to burrow his way to health care reform. But the republicans have always been much more comfortable with underground politics. they are perfect little moles who are experts at building a maze of  tunnels which lead nowhere. as someone who once hoped for real change in health care reform it is painful to watch...

United we stand, divided we fall.

power to the polite people!


Advocating.... (4.00 / 1)
An honest question, Wolfgar.  I'm trying to see more clearly, through the smoke and mirrors, so an assessment of the (real) situation can become a basis for strategic individual and group action.  Health care, like the environment, like oil, weapons dealers, banking and many, many other political issues, appear to us as symptoms.  Too often we react to symptoms, without much thought about the root cause.  Non-strategic action is usually ineffective, which causes burn-out and fragmentation among like-minded activists.

So, is it Baucus and his Senate colleagues?  Or is it big corporations running the show? I would advocate a strategy that confronts the puppet-masters, not the puppet.  One such strategy would be to mount a non-partisan political force to run candidates and push ballot initiatives.  Another would be to apply pressure to regulators that oversee public health.  To win, all three branches of government will need to feel the heat.  And, finally, the media will have to take heat too, or lose customers.  This is where blogs can make a difference.  If the truth never comes out, blogs represent just another form of enabler.

Never heard of Rollerball, but will check it out.  


Thank you, (0.00 / 0)
That really was a terrific answer, and one I agree with.

By the way, the Rollerball I was referring to was the 70's version with James Caan, where corporations run the world and passify the people with violent spectacle.  Don't bother with the remake.  It's pap.  


[ Parent ]
Public Citizen (4.00 / 1)
has been advocating for a single payer system for better than 10 years...their research into costs fix most of the blame on administrative costs...back in 2002 they estimated a single payer system could save $150 billion per year...now that number is closer to $400 billion...

No wonder the insurance companies DON'T LIKE single payer...it takes $400 billion in potential profits right off their table.


Sage, I disagree (0.00 / 0)
I think the insurance companies love single payer.  More accurately put, they love the advocates for single payer.  This is the part that single payer advocates refuse to understand.

Single payer won't cost the insurance industry $400 billion a year.  It will eliminate the insurance industry in total.  That's 100%.  Alles, totos, completely.  Gone, say buhbuy.  A question, what would be the job loss due to that?  What would that do to the economy?  Please, your answer should already be well thought out, wouldn't you think?

Wait, it isn't?  No problem, we can look at it another way.

70% to 75% of Americans polled favor their current insurance coverage.  They really really don't want to give that up.  Now, you want to kill the industry, completely, that offers these people the thing they really favor.  You're telling them that what they want will provided better by the wish you hold in your left hand.  'Single payer will take care of you', you say.  So, in your left hand, you hold a wish, and in your right hand you hold these folk's feelings of financial security.  Wish in one hand, and shit in the other.  Which get's full fastest?  You will not get the support of the American people with a wish.  You have to show them a better way or they will not sign on. The insurance industry knows this.  Why don't you?

The insurance industry, because they know that wishes aren't ponies, absolutely love and adore those of you selling wish-ponies.  They love single payer because they know that the American people will never sign off on a such a program until it is demonstrably better than what the industry offers them.  They want you to stand opposed to what the American people are comfortable with.  Really, they do.  They love folks who will mandate to the country because they know that they will win that debate every single time.  You can't force people into a better idea.  You simply can't.  But the insurance industry wants you to try.  God yes, they want you to make your best effort to force people to accept your idea.  If you mandate, they win.  Single payer is a fricking loser, right out of it's shiny box.

What the insurance industry really fears is a strong public option.  They hate competition.  They despise and revile the threat to their monopolistic power.  That's why they are using their bought government functionaries to push or weak public option of a 'trigger'.  They can win that game.  Single payer, on the other hand, they adore.  It's checkmate in 3.


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big sage, Single payer will create a net of 2.6 million new jobs according to this study (4.00 / 1)
conducted by the  Institute for Health and Social Policy (IHSP)

http://www.calnurses.org/media...

Some people will make up numbers, or worse make up conclusions without supplying numbers. Ask for their data when someone makes an unsubstantiated claim.

Also, the polling data is clear. A majority of Americans favor going to a single payer system.

Don't let people bullshit you, big sage. The polls are clear. A majority favors single payer.

Some people are anti democratic and they don't want to be forced to pay their taxes, or forced to pick up their dog poop. But most Americans do those things because they aren't Neanderthals and they realize we are a country that respects the will of the people, and we want to be good smart citizens.

That's why we join groups like Forward Montana or Montanans for Single Payer, or the PTA.



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~sigh~ (0.00 / 0)
A majority favors single payer.

And the same percentage majority favors the coverage they currently have.  Why, Steve, Why do you ignore this?  I've asked the question a dozen times!  You, fearless leader, refuse to refute the very thing that kills your argument.

Steve, to the degree that you aren't a bullshit artist or snake oil salesman, I agree with you.  But you are a snake oil salesman.  You continue to encourage people to support a loser's position, one favored by the very enemy you establish as the enemy.  Stand strong so that They may Win!  Fucking cool, wouldn't you admit?

That "some people" you refer to are the vast majority of your countrymen.  You might want to wake up, pull your head out of your ass, and realize that someday.  And no, I've no intention to be nice about your willful stupidity.  Answer the challenges I've laid at your feet.  Anytime, please.


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Manage without leaders... (4.00 / 1)
When elected representatives refuse to lead, individuals must take the reigns.  Clearly, Congress has abdicated on every critical issue it has faced since the run-up to the Iraq invasion and occupation.  In 2006, voters thought they had voted for the end of the Iraq occupation.  Wrong.  Montanans elected a replacement for Conrad Burns, thinking Jon Tester would not support earmarks, vote to end the Iraq occupation, and protect all roadless areas.  Wrong again.  These are just highlights of the great disappointment people must be feeling following a return to "Democratic Rule," after losing it in 1994.

Will disappointment lead to another shot for Republicans, or will enough individuals reject the obviously rigged two-party trap and start something new?  Why not start something independent, and grassrooots -- and hi-tech. The place to start is not in Washington D.C., but here at home in Montana.  Montana can lead, even when its leaders can't.  


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