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Democrats to ditch GOP and embrace a public option?

by: Jay Stevens

Tue Jun 23, 2009 at 17:12:01 PM MST


George Will:

Competition from the public option must be unfair because government does not need to make a profit and has enormous pricing and negotiating powers. Besides, unless the point of a government plan is to be cheaper, it is pointless: If the public option conforms to the imperatives that regulations and competition impose on private insurers, there is no reason for it.

Believe it or not, Will is actually using this point to attack a public option. Yet he never explains why cheaper health insurance is a bad thing.

(Will also explains away the nation's 45 million uninsured as a "'snapshot' of a nation" where workers often change jobs. That is, to Will, these folks are only temporarily uninsured. Of course, temporarily uninsured or no, it's still a financial kiss of death for these folks to be ill...not to mention that insurance companies use this "temporary" period to ensure they don't pay claims when they are insured, thanks to the ol' pre-existing condition clause...)

IMHO, that's the essential difference between a contemporary conservative and a progressive: a George Will conservative will always oppose something based on theoretical grounds, even if the proposal in question will actually improve things. A modern progressive is pragmatic. If having a government-run health insurance option means cheaper health insurance...let's have it!

As Nate Silver points out, there aren't many goods or services that government provides better than the private sector. But the insurance racket is unique:

he profits the insurance industry is making, of course -- profits artificially boosted by an enormous backdoor tax subsidy -- don't seem to be buying the customer much of anything in terms of improved service or cost savings. On the contrary, health care costs are rising by as much as 9-10 percent per year, without any concomitant increase in the level of service. If JetBlue were raising the cost of its fares by 10 percent per year, they'd be out of business.

The reason the insurers are staying in business, though, is because barriers to entry in the health insurance industry are in practice quite high. Insurers benefit from pooling risk. The larger the pool, the better in terms of the insurer's ability to hedge its risk and build negotiating leverage with its providers. That makes it very difficult for a Five Guys or a JetBlue type of start-up to compete: they'll have trouble getting together enough customers to pool their risk adequately, and even if they do, they won't have as much negotiating leverage as the big guys. Health care providers may demand a better deal or refuse to accept them. As such, they'll never get off the ground.

Insurance, in other words, is a volume business, the main requirements for which are that (1) you have a lot of money pooled together and that (2) you've been around for awhile.

I'd also add that insurers increase profits, not by streamlining the production of insurance or making it with cheaper materials, but by decreasing the amount of claims they pay out. That is, private insurance is only bound to get worse...for consumers, that is. So you have an industry whose nature prohibits new competition, and the existing players one up each other by providing an increasingly worse product to their customers.

Whatever. A public option, if robust enough, would probably provide better coverage at a cheaper rate than current private plans. Plus it'd be portable, allow small businesses to compete for workers with larger companies, and encourage entrepreneurship.

To blithely label this as an argument of "capitalism" versus "socialism" ignores the myriad flavors of capitalism. If your flavor of capitalism must needs be an economic system dominated by monolithic multinational corporations, you're probably against the public option. If, on the other hand, you prefer a system where small, local businesses and the self-employed thrive alongside (or, better yet, dominate) big corporations, you probably support the public option.

So it's good to see that Obama today say that a public option is "non-negotiable." Ezra:

There were two ways he could have responded to the press corps' queries. The first would be a procedural reply: "All ideas are on the table," or something of that nature. But that wasn't his approach. Instead, he defended the plan's substantive merits. His answer was, in other words, an effort at persuasion rather than diversion. The implication was that he, at the least, is genuinely convinced by the case for a public insurer.

It's also smart politically, as well as policy-wise. And now - finally - there's signs in Congress that a public option will be a part of reform. The question now is, what will it look like?

Kent Conrad, for example, has moved away from his idea of small co-ops towards a coalition of co-ops that could negotiate health care prices as a single, national body, which is becoming ever closer to a public option. And even Conrad had his "wake-up moment" about GOP Senators: when the Republicans feared a public option because it would be competing unfairly as a subsidized body, they still didn't like it when the idea of a co-op without a subsidies was suggested. "They really don't want a competitive model," admitted the North Dakota Democrat, "at least some of them."

As dday pointed out, Democrats are now realizing that, "...like in 1993, (the Republicans') mission is to kill health care reform, period. Why Why anyone would think that any alternative would be true is beyond me, but Senate Democrats obviously needed to play Tic-Tac-Toe with the computer endlessly until they realized what a strange game it all is, and that 'the only winning move is not to play.'" Apparently some Democrats had considered "nixing" the public option in hopes that they would find Republican support for reform.

But now I think Democrats are realizing they own health care reform. They no longer have any incentive, or reason, to find common ground with Republicans. There can be none. And if the push for reform fails, it will be seen as a Democratic failure. The sooner Congessional Democrats realize this, the better. And if they do band together and implement a Democratic health care reform bill, they might actually realize they are the majority power and are calling the shots. This health care reform could be the issue Democrats...well...start acting like Democrats And it's long past time for them to start acting in concert in DC. Who knows? This could be the start of a beautiful friendship...

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In an earlier post Matt (0.00 / 0)
said this about the Massachusetts plan..."But it is worth being honest that even a Massachusetts style system would be a significant improvement over the status quo -- and it would probably be a popular one. And popular policies are precisely what the GOP needs to derail."

This is what the Boston Globe said about the Mass. Plan a couple of months ago...

http://www.boston.com/bostongl...

And this from the Health Care Blog...

http://www.thehealthcareblog.c...

The point being...a bad plan is a bad plan...period! It is not going to be "popular", it will not provide universal coverage, it will not be comprehensive, and it will not be cost effective...



excellent post jay (0.00 / 0)
i couldn't have said it better even if i could get my head out of this jar of honey...

United we stand, divided we fall.

power to the polite people!


When Democrats act like Democrats. (0.00 / 0)
Which Democrats?  The zombies who voted to occupy Iraq and Afghanistan?  The ones who voted to bail out AIG and the "too-big-to-fail" banks, and GM and Chrysler?  Or the Democrats who voted for Bush's tax cuts?  NAFTA?  GATT?  Maybe these aren't the ones you're conjuring. If there were some type of Democratic transfusion, I'm not sure  there's a functioning vein left that could take the new blood.  It's all corporate, all the time.    

With the republican party (0.00 / 0)
in retreat and disrepair, it seems that the democratic party, through its subsumption of moderate republicans, and a lot of centrist independents, has shifted its center significantly to the right.

Of course, this leaves progressives, leftists, and liberal independents out in the cold, as Obama's big tent seems to have shifted with the center, instead of just expanding.

Maybe this is a good time to bury the republican party, let the democratic party officially take over being the party of centrist, corporate America, and for the rest of us in this country to organize a political party around a new social democratic vision.  


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Maybe this is a good time to bury the republican party,

Exactly how does one do that?  My question stems from this; for over 8 years (again, I would argue 29) the Republican party was able to pull the center view of the country far to the right, so far in fact that the majority of America realizes that the Republicans are useless, but still can't recognize that the GOP has become the party of the batsh!t crazy.  What you see as the Democratic party stepping it's center to the right could more accurately be described as centering itself more firmly around where the country sees itself now.

Obama called it like it is.  Public support for a competitive public option is overwhelming.  To argue against that "defies logic".  In my opinion, he needs to go one step further and call that opposition what it is:  Insane.  The only one, right now, with the power to truly draw a line down the center is Barack Obama.

With the republican party ... in retreat and disrepair, it seems that the democratic party, through its subsumption of moderate republicans, and a lot of centrist independents, has shifted its center significantly to the right.

I respectfully disagree.  I agree with Mark that many Democrats have assumed the mantle previously worn by the Republican party.  That has favor among the people, correct, wrong or indifferent.  But the Democrats didn't move to the right by absorbing, they did so because it was the only alternative to crazy.  The fringe is still seen as the fringe, and unfortunately liberals, progressives and generic leftists have really bad PR. They are still seen as the fringe while the lunatics on the right are not ... yet.  To shorten this up, I think that the only way to bury the GOP is to unite against them, liberal and centrists, identify them as a cancer.  

I saw a Quatermass movie once (don't remember it's name; I think it was Island of Terror.) These giant amoeba things were taking over an island.  They propagated by splitting (looked like chicken soup in their middlin' parts.) That's what the Democratic party has to do.  Draw a line in the center (which is what I think Obama is doing), and ask people to stand to right or left of that.  Forming a party outside is, by definition, fringe thinking.  It will simply give power to the fringe, just like we saw in 2000, when Nader voters gave the power to the very ones most opposed to their goals. They made a point, alright.  They convinced the country, and politicians, to run directly towards the right if they wanted success. What we need is for the Republicans to do the same.  We don't need to bury them. We need more Ron Pauls (or Rick Jores, or Michelle Bachmans, or ...)  


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Q. Exactly how does one do that?

A. Well, they are doing it to themselves. From my viewpoint as an leftist independent (and I am sitting at at my computer at work with a Che t-shirt on... ;-)  ), the only way that the republican party can regain electoral prominence is by moving back to the center. And I don't see them doing that right now. And I believe that Obama and other centrist dems will do what they need to hold on to the center and keep the right wing fringe at bay.

In terms of my sense that the democratic party--by moving rightward and consolidating in the center--is alienating progressives, leftists, and social dem independents, so I see that that creates an opening by which the true left can begin to consolidate its political power. So we end up with one monolithic centrist party--the democratic party--and two minority parties, left and right.

Of course, these sorts of political realignments take time, and many forces will appear to negate them, so it is all conjecture. But I think that the elections of 2012 will show whether or not Obama is able to hold onto the left wing of his coalition. Possibly he will lose both his centrist and left wings, and the dems will be back where they were in 2004. Which is to say flailing. Possibly he can hold on to both wings of his coalition and beat the republicans into the ground a bit more-we'll see. He'll have to exhibit some extraordinary leadership if he is to do so.

Which is why the republicans will do anything to see him fail at health care reform. I have yet to hear a republican say that they care about any of the real reasons for health care reform: access to health care by those without; eliminating medical bankruptcy; trimming federal dollars flowing to corporate profits. They just don't care and like the status quo, giving lip service to support for any kind of reform.

I respectfully disagree.

NO need to disagree. All of this political movement is still in flux. And it is hard to get a feel for it while it is ongoing. In a few years we'll look back and get a better picture. And just because a few million republicans and independents decided to vote democrat for the presidency doesn't mean they have become democrats--they very well may, though, if the republicans continue their fanaticism.

My sense is that if the democrats begin to absorb these disaffected republicans and independents, then they either have to accommodate their policies, or they'll lose them. And if the democrats start accommodating them, then they'll continue to lose the left. There's just too much turf between the left and those republicans and independents for the two to get along, in my mind.

Furthermore, when the democrats fantasize about bipartisanship, like Baucus is, you have to realize that what republicans are left to bipartisanship-ize with are the remaining ones on furthest right fringes. The moderates republicans have either become democrats (Specter), or have lost out to centrist democrats (McCaskill, Webb, etc.). In a way, bipartisanship was much easier with a more evenly divided senate.

But when you say we need more right-wing whackos, I'd counter with saying we need more Bernie Sanders', Dennis Kucinich's, and Raul Grijalva's. And let them begin to coalesce political power around their true social dem underpinnings.

If the left could coalesce its political power around a solid political framework--something Nader never could do with the Green party--then the coalition could have significant impact nationally, from the top on down to our local governments. Fringe political movements like the New Party here in Missoula could find state and national support in order to avoid being labeled fringe whackos and dismissed.

I've always been a third party advocate, so you'll have a hard time getting me to give up fringe thinking. I'd rather that fringe thinking became a little more accepted in the mainstream. And I've always been willing to work for that: idealism trumping pragmatism.


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..."organize a political party around a new social democratic vision." (0.00 / 0)
Ready when you are.  2010 has no real appeal, except perhaps the House race.  By 2012, even Montana might be ready too.

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