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John Adams interviews Max Baucus

by: Jay Stevens

Fri Jun 26, 2009 at 19:44:34 PM MST


Check out the interview below of Max Baucus by the Great Falls Tribune's John Adams, who asks the Senator very tough questions about health care reform. At one point, Baucus tells Adams, "don't get too confrontational here" (at the 4:00 mark), and a staffer vainly tries to interrupt the interview twice.

During the interview, Adams asks Baucus about why single-payer health care isn't being considered, and if the contributions from the health-care industry isn't unduly influencing his policy, to which, much to Baucus' credit, after some hemming and hawing the Senator gives some clear answers.

To wit, after Adams asked, "...why not at least let [single-payer system] be part of the discussion?" Baucus at first gave a long, diplomatic answer that skirted the question. The closest Baucus came to answering was when he said, "to be successful, we have to work with what we have," and proceeded to say the president's stance against single-payer health care precluded that as a solution.

Then:

ADAMS: Why not at least let them take part of the discussion...? If we're talking about reforming the health care system, then why not allow single payer to come in and have the debate publicly and let Americans decide for themselves whether or not they think single payer's a good idea...?

BAUCUS: Well...(laughs, long pause)...uh...(pause)...it's...uh...Basically we are. In fact I'm meeting with advocates of single payer (unintelligible) in Washington...and we'll soon meet with them in Montana....

ADAMS: Who will you be meeting with?

BAUCUS: Oh...don't get too confrontational here...(CROSSTALK)...well, the tone of your voice is very telling....

After that exchange, Baucus then said this:

To be very candid with you, very few people in Washington, members of the House and Senate, advocate single payer. A vast, vast majority do not. I don't think, I may be wrong, I don't think a single single-payer bill has been introduced in the Senate. There may be some in the House, but I don't think there's any in the Senate...

That's got to tell you something. And it tells me that if I go down that road, it's not going to be successful. It's not going to pass. It's not going to pass the Congress.

I've got to use the resources that we have, and the time we have, in the best way possible. To reform our system in the best way we can.

A direct and honest answer after some badgering by Adams.

When Adams confronted Baucus with his campaign contributions from the health-care industry, Baucus said this:

Money means nothing to me. I pay no attention to campaign contributions. Nothing. Makes no difference.

About as forceful an answer I've ever heard Baucus give.

All-in-all, a very entertaining interview that highlights Adams' no-nonsense style of dogged questioning (which I've experienced first-hand), and Baucus handling of Adams and answering some questions candidly...

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"WE'RE GONNA NEED MORE POLICE HERE"!! (4.00 / 1)
'Cause Montana's senator is jerkin' off in public!  Come ON, Mini! You're supposed to be MONTANA'S senator, remember?  NOT industry's senator!  Mini, SEVENTY-FREAKIN'-TWO percent of the American PEOPLE want single payer, you cheeseball! So,why don't you try representing THEM instead of having them arrested?! Remove your head from  your ass, and remove your lips from the insurance industry!  Mini, it's painfully obvious that you're just takin'  up space.  Either LEAD or get your sorry ass outta the way.  The choice is yours, Mini.  We're gonna get public health care one way or the other, but you're just too damn stupid and corrupt to see it.  Better head your butt back on up to the ranch.  You're done next election.

Baucus (4.00 / 1)
is confusing leadership and representation...I do not want a leader, I want a representative....He is MY representative in the Senate...so please Max, start representing ME!!!!



GIVE ME HEALTH INSURANCE, OR GIVE ME DEATH! (0.00 / 0)
Unfortunately, that's the new rallying cry AND a reality for a HUGE percentage of the American people.  Poor Mini just doesn't get it.  Americans are desperate.  While Mini was busy enthusiastically supporting a TRILLION DOLLAR FIASCO in Iraq, he ignored the wishes of his own people.  Hey Mini,  why not re-build AMERICA instead of Iraq?!  Remember that ten billion dollars in cash that went missing in Iraq?  Well, Mini, think you could lose a few of them bucks OUR way??  What IS it about the Iraqui people that makes them more important than WE are, Mini?  Is it the Halliburton, Blackwater, etc. contracts?  Look at Mini's face in the photo above.  He looks like he just read the responses that are appearing here.  He KNOWS he's doin' wrong, but bein' industry's little bitch ain't a pleasant experience judging from his countenance!

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Alternative to Baucus in 2014? (0.00 / 0)
We're stuck with him until 2014.  I wonder if McDonald, if he beats Rehberg next year, might be a possible opponent in the Democratic primary.

We should start working now to identify and support an actual Democrat for Senate in 2014.

We shouldn't have to settle for a blue dog.


John Adams is a treasure. It's hilarious that Max (0.00 / 0)
thought a straightforward question like "who are you meeting with here?" as confrontational.  Of course Adams was calling him on his bull.  He hasn't set up any meetings with people for single payer here in Montana.  That's why he couldn't name them.

It's also hilarious that he says he doesn't know about John Conyers HB 676  Medicare for All that has been around for years. And there is Jim McDermott's bill HB1200  And of course there is a Senate bill #703 - Bernie Sanders bill. Are we to believe that his staff is soooo incompetent that they failed to inform him of Senator Sanders or Rep Conyers bill?  

So most of his answers were either deliberately obtuse or disingenuous like the one about nobody supporting single payer. That's a polite way of telling big whoppers aka weasel words.  Here's the long list of all the co-sponsors for John Conyers' bill http://www.johnconyers.com/hr6...

He did tell the truth and repeated it to a friend of mine who talked to him in Washington this week.  Obama is not for single payer, so he is following Obama's lead.  But again, that is not his job to work for Obama. That's why we divided the power up between branches of government.  His job was to work for his constituency in terms of their general welfare.  But we get parking garages and university money instead of health care and job security.

I suggest everybody go fishing this week where Max and his lobbyist friends will be and have a single payer sign in your boat.  

Oh and here is the just released info from Kathleen Sebelius on the state of health care state by state.  Here's the link to Montana.  I dont have time for a separate diary.  http://www.healthreform.gov/re...  


Is there a link to the interview? (0.00 / 0)


Here's a link (0.00 / 0)
to the cached original post he had up at The Lowdown, his blog.

http://is.gd/1hJal

That original post has since been removed.


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You can bet that Baucus' "people" (0.00 / 0)
were calling the brass at the GF Tribune and applying pressure to get the audio tape of that interview removed. Wait, was someone acting like a Kaiser?

Fortunately, the interviews are on youtube, where they will likely get more play than on the Lowdown anyway.

Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

Jay, I just cannot believe that you listened to the audio and actually felt that Baucus gave "a direct and honest answer" or "as forceful an answer I've ever heard Baucus give."

Truth is, some pretty straightforward questioning by an excellent reporter exposed Baucus for what he is. Those were hardly hardball questions...just the same type of questions that most Montanans and most Americans would like to ask Baucus.  The fact that Baucus and his "people" were so upset with Adams questions reminds me of the McCain/Palin campaign insisting on "deference" from the media.  


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