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The Choices We Face

by: Matt Singer

Mon Jul 20, 2009 at 19:42:37 PM MST


After hearing about my foolishness and naivete regarding the forest bill, I was interested to see this article by Pat Williams.

I mean, I'll take it as granted that Pat Williams might be, like me, a malleable sell-out scoundrel. He might also be Montana's most progressive lawmaker of the modern era. Potato, potahto.

Since writing about the forest bill, I've gotten a couple notes and had conversations with people very familiar with the forest bill's content and the process behind it. My understanding is that the "talkers" of the critics are either deeply misleading or, in some cases, just not true.

I've been struck during this process how amazingly similar the health care, global warming, and forest debates are. With health care, the question is private/public or single-payer. With global warming, the question is cap-and-trade or carbon tax. With forest, the question is Tester bill or complete wilderness protection.

Except those really are all fake choices that really say that the choice is private/public or nothing, cap-and-trade or nothing, the Tester bill or nothing.

Perfect: enemy of the good.

Again, this isn't to say that there aren't devils in the details to focus on, but the question at this point for much of the left is whether we're ever going to take yes for an answer.

The health care bills under consideration institute important insurance regulations like community rating and guaranteed issue, subsidize coverage for low-income families, ease purchasing through exchanges, and (hopefully) bend the cost curve over the long-term.

Cap and trade actually worked better than anticipated when instituted for sulfur dioxide and, while imperfect, will reduce carbon output in this country. Action by the U.S. will help stoke other nations to take steps as well, creating a positive feedback loop.

I still know less about this forest bill, but so far the voices I trust on lands management and conservation are increasingly telling me thumbs up on the bill.

While reading up on Steve Kelly's, let's say quixotic, run against Pat Williams in '94, I came across this piece. Interestingly, the piece basically recounts how efforts to shore up Williams' left flank also resulted in Williams moving to the right to prove his independence from the Clinton White House. Some of the quotes are marvelous, though:

With progressive
congressmen like this, Kelly asked, who misses the likes of Ron Marlenee?

[...]

"The Clinton administration was retreating from its campaign pledges to protect our public lands and Pat Williams played a key role in pushing them in that direction," Kelly told me. "Williams repeatedly voted against mining reform, grazing reform and measures to end subsidies to multinational timber companies. Worst of all, from my point of view here in Bozeman, Williams sponsored anti-wilderness legislation that condemns 4 million acres in Montana to logging and mining. Cy Jaminson's record spoke for itself. He never pretended to be anything but what he was: a voice for pillage."

[...]

"If these independent political campaigns cause some conservative Republicans to get elected, well at least we don't have to guess where they are on an issue," said Larry Tuttle, director of the Portland-based Center for Environmental Equity. "Frankly, when it comes to changing the incentives that lead to environmental destruction, evironmentalists often have more in common with the National Taxpayers Union than with many incumbent Democrats."

So that's the result of left vision, as near as I can tell: the '94 Gingrich revolution, Denny Rehberg, and George W. Bush.

I'm not interested in walking down that path. So, yeah, call me malleable.

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I'd be curious to know (0.00 / 0)
what you mean by this exactly? Some specifics and examples  would be nice. Thanks.

"My understanding is that the "talkers" of the critics are either deeply misleading or, in some cases, just not true."


Interesting that Williams left out any mention of Beaverhead Partnership (0.00 / 0)
It's certainly interesting to note that when Pat Williams gave examples to support his statement that "This legislation is the product of unprecedented local collaboration" he left out any mention of the Beaverhead Partnership. That speaks volumes, doesn't it? It also seems a bit disingenuous on Williams part, given that much of the concern with Tester's Logging bill has been tied to the Beaverhead Partnership's origins and actual plan. After all, it has been the secrecy with which the self-selected and exclusive Beaverhead Partnership has been operating under - from the moment they starting meeting in the winter of 2006 (almost a year before Tester took office) - that has caused so much concern, heartache and opposition among dedicated conservationists and public lands policy experts from around the country.

For an interesting look at some of these concerns I'd encourage people to check out this article by Erica Rosenberg, who directs the program on public policy at Arizona State University's law school and served as counsel to the US House Resources Committee from 1999-2004. http://www.counterpunch.org/ro... .  (You think the former counsel for the House Resources Committee might have a "politically relevant" point of view?)

Also worth reading is a new report from Michael Fiebig and Dr. Martin Nie, professor of Natural Resources Policy at the Univ. of Montana's College of Forestry and Conservation titled, "Place-based Legislation as Method of Resolving Multiple-Use Conflicts on
National Forests." It's available at: http://wildwestinstitute.org/p...

When sending out the report Nie had wrote, " It appears to us that some key factors and considerations are missing from the political debate, and we hope that the paper brings those important issues to the fore in a constructive fashion."

P.S. Matt Singer: Still waiting for some specifics and examples. Thanks.


[ Parent ]
Pat Williams specifically mentions the collaboration on Beaverhead (0.00 / 0)
Reread the piece. He doesn't namecheck the Partnership, but clearly references it.

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Damn, must have been my mornin' eyes (0.00 / 0)
I still stand by what I've written above and over the past 3 1/2 years about the Beaverhead Partnership process and strategy. Thanks.

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Still curious to know (0.00 / 0)
what you mean by this exactly, Matt S.? Some specifics and examples  would be nice. Thanks.

You wrote: "My understanding is that the "talkers" of the critics are either deeply misleading or, in some cases, just not true."


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For what it's worth, I'd like the record to show that (0.00 / 0)
Matt Singer never bothered responding to this question asked a week ago.

I'd be curious to know what you mean by this exactly? Some specifics and examples  would be nice. Thanks.

"My understanding is that the "talkers" of the critics are either deeply misleading or, in some cases, just not true."


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By your strange reasoning, bush's plan to make social security a public/private fund was (0.00 / 0)
good, if not perfect. In fact, it sounds as if you are saying that if the Dems proposed the same thing for Social Security today as bush proposed a few years ago, that you would support it so Newt won't take over, or something like that.

I was there in 1994, Matt.

Republicans turned out to vote in almost the exact same numbers as they did in 1990, the last mid term year. The big difference was that the Democratic vote took a big huge nose dive in 1994 - because when Dems act and talk like Republicans, there is no reason to show up at the polls for a whole lot of folks.

If you want to repeat 1994, just help the Dems keep talking and acting like Republicans.

You heard it here first! Remember it.

I beg of you; Please don't repeat the mistakes of the past. Learn from the past.


What a cop out, (0.00 / 0)
blaming the left for democrat's inability to hold together a broad coalition. I've said it before, and I'll say it again: the democratic party is nothing without holding independents and the left under their tent. If Democrats want to continue their move to the right and coalition build with republicans, then they will lose the left and many independents.

Matt would do much better by studying St. Clair's piece (nice reference piece, though--thanks for dredging it up!) as he captures some of the environmental and left's disillusionment with centrist democrat politics like Pat Williams'. It is telling that Matt would rather get "malleable" with republicans than the left. Makes it a lot easier for the left to pick their coalitions down the road.

I've often thought that if Obama's coalition succeeds in solidifying around Blue Dog and centrist dems/reps, then this frees up both the whacky right and the left to begin building new electoral coalitions. Matt disses Steve Kelly, but 10% of the vote showed huge dissatisfaction with where democrats were. And that electoral coalition still exists in this state, and losing them places any democrat at risk of losing an election.

Oh, and before I forget, most of us thanked Reagan heartily for that pocket veto of Williams' bill. It saved 4 million acres of wilderness land from hard release and destruction of its wilderness character for at least another 20 years. But I guess you would have to have lived all or most of your life in this bioregion to really understand the true value of wilderness here, and the unwillingness of people to trade it away for short term economic ploys, and for motorized recreation.

Wilderness can not be created, it can only be destroyed, in the march of a human greed guided by people who have no principles or vision. Legislation like Tester's only hastens the march to losing the last remaining vulnerable wilderness lands in the name of "malleability." Enviros tagged Baucus as a gumby decades ago. I guess the new democrats want to be known as lumps of clay, too.

But for the coup de grace, I have to point Matt's quote: "He [Pat Williams] might also be Montana's most progressive lawmaker of the modern era." I doubt that any of Montana's long term environmentalist would agree. Lee Metcalf was a far more progressive politician than Williams (unless you don't consider the 60's and 70's to be part of the "modern era"). But I guess if you have the current crop of dem elders whispering otherwise in your ears, you might as well do a good job parroting them.

Here, read a great bio of Metcalf by Dale Burk, when the Missoulian named him #15 on the list (Williams and Marlenee tied at #40, as they basically cancelled each other out in Congress over the years) of the most important 100 Montanans of the last century:

No U.S. senator - ever - was more committed to sound resource management. And no present or former senator can proffer a record of accomplishments to match that commitment...

Lee Metcalf taught us that we can believe in the true and the beautiful, and achieve it. That was his greatest legacy, and our inspiring memory of him. His good friend in the Senate, Jennings Randolph of West Virginia, put it perfectly:

"In evaluating Lee Metcalf, it is not difficult to project what rewards his quarter-century of service in the Congress will bring to America in the years ahead. He was a tireless champion of preserving and protecting our nation's natural heritage... This gentle man from Montana loved the Earth and all its living creatures."

Fortunately, many of us independents who occasionally vote for democrats, and have watched Montana politics intimately over the decades, have a true progressive, environmentalist, and wilderness protector role model in Lee Metcalf. The rest are just poser lumps of clay.


Hmm (0.00 / 0)
The rest are just poser lumps of clay.

That's a little "all or nothing" of you, wouldn't you admit?


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When it comes to wilderness (0.00 / 0)
I start with an all or none proposition. Always. You want to destroy wilderness, you'll need to convince me on a site specific basis why the tradeoff by hard releasing lands is necessary for a short term economic or ORV gain. And that ain't happening in the current scenario.

Advocating for a natural intrinsic value always assumes taking a principled, and conservative, approach. If I thought that cutting 100,000 acres of bark beetle killed lumber was of a greater value than the intrinsic value of wilderness, well then, I'd be just another unprincipled wilderness pseudo-supporter weighing utilitarian values against political opportunities. That's not me.

I just happen to think that the intrinsic value of wilderness outweighs any economic or recreational opportunities weighed against it. Others can compromise, and I'll always come back and tell them what we are losing in perpetuity. That's my, and many others' role. Wilderness has no voice, so some of us choose to give it one in the human realm.


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At no point was I suggesting you to be unprincipled. (0.00 / 0)
Just sayin' ...

What I am doing is agreeing with Matt that on some issues, 'all or nothing' is counterproductive.

And for the record, the Tester bill adds wilderness, and rejects the public trade-off as demanded by the Republicans in state legislature.


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"Adds wilderness" (0.00 / 0)
...to what?

The wilderness designated in the bill already exists, mostly as protected roadless areas. We're not getting anything we don't already have. And we're being asked to give away a lot for that which we do not need.

That's the problem with these sorts of logging bills that mix allocation issues (wilderness or other special land use designations) with resource issues. They are designed to make us feel like we are getting something, when we already have it.

Allocation bills should be allocation bills, and management bills should be management bills, ne'er the twain shall meet.

If Tester wanted a jobs bill for restoration on lands outside of inventoried roadless lands, he could have done so with a whole lot less controversy, and with a lot more success. Attempting to divvy up undesignated lands just serves as some gravy to the industries being bailed out, and ORV'ers looking for an "in."


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Back to the future? (0.00 / 0)
In 1994, roughly 80% of Montana's 6.4 million acres of roadless land was threatened by legislation that ultimately failed to boost timber employment or designate wilderness.  That's in the history books.  

In 2009, Montana still has 6.4 million acres of roadless land.  No politician then, or now, had anything to do with that fact.  We are faced with a choice, a bill that protects all 6.4 million acres, or one that perpetuates Montana's dependence on 19th-Century, commodity-based economics and politics. The colony is in trouble.

Something to remember: Williams won big defending his environmental bona fides in 1994. Learning from Melcher's defeat in 1988, he fought for every "Green" vote, and won. Nationwide, not many "Red-state" Dems survived that one.  It was 1992 that was the close one.  Some say Wolverding saved his bacon vs. Marlenee when Montana's 2 seats became one, at-large showdown.

Tester is clearly repeating a formula that has produced mixed results.  One thing is for sure, it will not be boring.  

 


I'm curious too. It's kind of unclear if he's accusing someone of being deceitful and it's unclear if (0.00 / 0)
he's attempting to be vague about who he might be attempting to accuse of being deceitful.

Come on Singer, what are you saying, man!


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