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The political price of opposing a public option

by: Jay Stevens

Thu Jul 30, 2009 at 13:13:14 PM MST


The news:

In an apparent warning to Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus (D-Mont.), some liberal Democrats have suggested a secret-ballot vote every two years on whether or not to strip committee chairmen of their gavels.

Baucus, who is more conservative than most of the Democratic Conference, has frustrated many of his liberal colleagues by negotiating for weeks with Republicans over healthcare reform without producing a bill or even much detail about the policies he is considering.

"Every two years the caucus could have a secret ballot on whether a chairman should continue, yes or no," said Sen. Tom Harkin (D-Iowa), the chairman of the Senate Agriculture Committee. "If the 'no's win, [the chairman's] out.

"I've heard it talked about before," he added.

I'm absolutely, 100-percent with Kos when he writes that it's "time to end the tyranny of the long-serving chairmanships." Committees are the largely unseen roadblocks to good legislation that makes the already conservative essence of Congress all the more conservative. It's a kind of sinecure, where a chair can be sure to squeeze out legislation friendly to his backers for votes on the floor.

Will it happen? There's nothing more sacred in the Senate than seniority, where plum assignments are handed out purely on the basis of Senate longevity. I guess you could argue that this method discourages the doling out of pork and projects to fellow representatives to win committee chairs - like in the House - but on the other hand, it also discourages any accountability. And that's exactly why this isn't likely to happen. That's one of the goals of the Senate - to reach a point where they don't have to worry about elections anymore.

Still, one can dream, can't he? In any case, it's good to see Senate Democrats beginning to stir.

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There actually may be a personal gain... (0.00 / 1)
for Baucus.  His bi-partisan approach may have the best chance for success.  Read National Underwriter:  http://www.property-casualty.c...

Unlike Obama's nonsense, the CBO gives this plan a thumbs up. NU points out how the cooperative approach would more likely eliminate the uneven playing field between a "public" approach and commercial insurers.


I don't know how you get the idea (0.00 / 0)
that the gang of six--Baucus, Grassley, Enzi, Snowe, Conrad, and Bingaman--may have the "best chance for success."  It also carries the greatest risk for failure, as the 3 republicans Baucus hopes to gain may well be offset by losing more than 3 democrats, and he gets no nearer to 60 votes. He's already lost Bernie Sanders. And he hasn't gained a single confirmed republican vote.

So Baucus is willing to trade party unity for the illusion of bipartisanship. And as a side benefit, we get a much weaker product that doesn't match with the administration's goals.


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oh good craig (0.00 / 1)
gee that's good news craig...we can keep the weasels well fed and in tip top shape gnawing on our wallets. swell of you to drop by with your republiparasitespeak of the day.

how many neocon robots you got out there on diversion detail?  


leave the insults, okay? (0.00 / 0)
better would be to explain why he's wrong...

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pull you head out pbear (0.00 / 1)
I made an observation of how this MIGHT play to Baucus' advantage if his bill goes forward.  Nothing more than that.  

Your head is between your hind parts (0.00 / 1)
Shed your emotional coil for just a bit and look at this critically.  Baucus MAY come out of this smelling like a rose for having made the peace between D's and R's while cajoling the insurance industry to support his effort, and MOST IMPORTANTLY giving the people reform that doesn't break the bank.  Hurling verbal feces at him is going to make many of you quite irrelevant and unimportant going forward on other issues if he succeeds.

BTW, your continuing personal insults make me laugh.  Thank you.


Whatever it takes (0.00 / 0)
for having "made the peace between D's and R's" will only serve to splinter the dem party. Health care policy is the is the absolute wrong place to attempt a reconciliation. Better to find some better meeting place to find common ground--like defense budget trimming.

I still think that the benefits of the country having a better health care policy far outweighs the perceived disadvantages of it being a unilateral process. I know that's not a popular position among consensus builders. But many people will live or die depending on the decisions that are being made in Congress.

Republicans are more interested in achieving a political victory over Obama than doing what is right for the American people. If Obama had a touch of Bush in him, he'd ram that right down Grassley and Boehner's throats with a strong public option. "Doin' it for the troops."


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Bi-partisanship (0.00 / 0)
Revamping healthcare financing and delivery is so massive and loaded with such great political risks, in my opinion, no bill will succeed without D's and R's holding hands.  

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In the house they just voted 0-57no against abolishing socialized medicine for 45 million Americans! (0.00 / 0)
It was as bi-partisan as it gets and the Republicans came through (along with the Dems) for socialized government run health care.

I'm glad that's settled.


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What's bipartisan about (0.00 / 0)
the gang of six? Baucus and Ben Nelson are just republicans in dem clothes. The bill coming out of Finance is nothing more than a republican bill with one pseudo democrat (Conrad) signing on to give it a taint of bipartisanship.

The Finance committee, as chaired subverted by Baucus, is nothing more than a trojan horse for conservative republican and corporate-dominated ideology.


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It's time..... (0.00 / 0)
for a massive realingment of priorities in this country.  People have had it with Max Fauckus (sp) type politics.  Look, when SEVENTY-FRIGGIN'-TWO percent of the American people want single payer and it's not even talked about, the shiite's gonna hit he fan.  We KNOW good goddamn well when we're gettin' screwed, and we're gettin' screwed.  Yet Max Fauckus goes merrily on his corporate ass-kissin' way.  He hasn't a clue, and having a clue should be a MINIMUM requirement for having a gavel.

We don't NEED a humungous, bloated military any more!
We don't NEED/WANT to prop up corporate "villians"! (Nancy's words)
We WANT a fair tax system again, and a level playing field.
And we simply WANT what every OTHER industrialized country in the world has, govt. health care!  And this issue is NOT  going to go away.  Max Fauckus  is sorely mistaken if he thinks it will.

Look, here's the deal.  Everyone in this country is NOT a corporate CEO, nor a government employee, nor a union member!  All the above need not worry about health care because they already GOT it!  Many, many, in fact MOST Americans are grunts willingly working their asses off at menial jobs that MUST be  done!  And they don't ask for much.  They will WILLINGLY do the small, dirty, hard, backbreaking stuff that keeps  this country running as long as they know that they have access to affordable health care.  They know that if they have health insurance, they can actually PLAN for the future, and that they won't be wiped out through no fault of their own. Hell, just the economics of single payer make HUGE sense.

So, Max Fauckus has become the focal point of this HUGE disconnect between what the people want (democracy) and the corporations that Max fellates daily (corporate fascism).   And THAT'S why Max must go.


i respect your belief in your principles craig... (0.00 / 0)
but regarding health care reform, you are dead wrong to rely on free enterprise to get us out of this mess. people are losing their homes, their lives and their fortunes to this beast. as an attorney you are well aware of that. something drastic needs to be done to curb the free license these pirates now have to plunder this country mercilessly.

health insurance weasels are the problem, craig. weasels and the politicians that the weasels bribe to allow them to monopolize our health care system.

and your assertion is pure smokescreen. baucus is an idiot. grassley and the other republicans on his panel are playing him for a fool and you know it and you love it. max issues a statement yesterday that says they are close to compromise. today the republicans say that they need to delay until after recess.

delay,divert and kill. that is what the republicans and you are trying to do here. i respect you craig, but you are my enemy. i always respect my enemies, but as i once quoted for you....

may god have mercy on my enemies,
because i won't. - General George S Patton

P/s i am fully aware that many of my shipmates have no stomach for full on contact in this political sport. i, on the other hand enjoy it. god help me but i do love it so.

http://www.military-quotes.com...


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