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Does mediocre reform lead to more reform?

by: Jay Stevens

Mon Aug 10, 2009 at 14:03:50 PM MST


Here I agree with Ezra Klein:

We have an unfortunate tendency to think of policy reform as episodic rather than continual. The process of reform is sold as a legislative Big Bang rather than an ongoing effort with lots of different policies all building on one another. This is as much the fault of reformers, who need to increase public support for their policies, as it is of reform's opponents.

But it doesn't make much sense. There's a lot of commentary about whether the health-care reform bills under consideration will do everything that's required to repair our health-care system. There's not a lot of commentary about whether the the bills under consideration will be a step forward in reforming our health-care system and thus make positive changes easier in 2013, and 2019, and 2022. But that's probably the more important question.

To me that's key. Will this reform lead to more? Is it heading in the right direction?

Obviously Klein does. He even cites Massachusetts' push away from fee-for-service payments to a "coordinated care strategy" as evidence that the stirring of reform, even if imperfect, necessarily leads to more. (See this link [pdf]  from Steve W for a challenge to the idea that Massachusetts health-care reform actually works.)

That said, I think a lot of opponents on the left oppose this push for reform because they think of reform as "episodic." Or worse, that the reform is leading us the wrong way. At least, that's what I interpret, say, JC to be saying when he writes, "Is it worth it for 40 million more to get insurance, if that results in the insurance industry getting a larger stranglehold on healthcare? That is a fair point to debate, and a necessary one."

The other day, I essentially posed the question whether the reform proposed in Congress - such as it is - should be supported, or killed. Naturally, as health care topics do on this blog, it engendered a lot of...er..."discussion." Whatever. I think we can all agree that the reforms as being proposed in Congress don't go far enough. The question is, would a health-care bill from this Congress lead to more? Or will it effectively blacken the idea of reform and cause corporate capitalism to entrench into our health-care system even further? And to me, that's the key in whether this effort should go on, or should die a slow and gruesome death.

For me, the bottom line is this: the reform's popularity. If reform is packaged so that it helps only a few, but disturbs the many, we're screwed.

Change the employer mandate to an individual mandate? Screwed.

Adopt reform that doesn't have near-universal access to the Health Insurance Exchange and a public option? Screwed.

You? What do you think?

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One just needs to look at the Clinton experiment (0.00 / 0)
with reform in 93-94 to get some answers. We are where we are today because of how that process was carried out and its failure. And obviously we have had a lot of "reform" since then. SCHIP and Medicare immediately come to mind. Medicaid cuts worked the other way.  

So, no. I don't think that failure to get a bill to Obama's desk this time around negates the ability of some kind of incremental reform process to continue in Congress. It just isn't going to answer the big questions of cost controls and universality--which in my mind are the two big problems needing solutions. And many people will die needlessly or prematurely because of the lack of universality.

I had another beef with Klein today, in one of his other posts, "Health-Care Reform and You" where he asks "What's in it for my demographic?":

Thinking of yourself as having a very distinct identity in relation to the health-care system -- and particularly as having whatever relationship you have right now -- is the wrong way to understand the situation. Health-care reform doesn't have a lot to offer a healthy young i-banker. But it does have a lot to offer an i-banker who gets fired and then develops treatable cancer. It might not have a lot to offer an insured columnist for a major American newspaper. But it has a lot to offer that columnist if his newspaper goes belly-up and he has preexisting conditions. If you're the type of person asking what's in health-care reform for you, then the answer is probably nothing, unless your situation changes. But your situation very well might change.

Of course, I want to ask exactly this question: what's in it for me? Because I have been excluded from the world of people who have access to health care because of preexisting conditions. And I have had no luck at marketing my skills to a big enough firm that has a group policy that would take me.

So it makes me think that Klein does not understand the argument from the position of one of the 10-15% of Americans who do not have, and cannot get insurance. Of course we want to know what it means for us, because our lives depend on the answer being a positive one for us!


I tend to think of it like Medicare D ... (0.00 / 0)
Drug prices are cemented at a very high level with a massive subsidy to Pharmas, reimportation is prohibited, all seniors are forced to pay a premium to private insurers for drugs, and then there's that doughnut hole. All we had to do was regulate drug prices, or allow reimportation, and we could have saved billions and billions. We cannot work around these companies until we reform campaign finances, and I cannot see that happening until we collapse.

According to Business Week,insurers have already cut a deal to be cut in on everything either as insurer or as provider of supplementary insurance, by which they currently drain seniors. In Howard Dean's opinion, the coops will soon be crushed by the private insurers. The public option is dead, even if they don't yet admit it. Pharma blackmailed Obama, threatening to either run $150 million in ads for him ... or against him. He caved.

So I'm looking for the good. Don't see much. There'll be a bone or two - some Astro Glide to make the deal slide in a little easier. I do agree with your statement over at Piece of Mind:

BTW, asking "where we screwed up" sort of ignores the fact that few of us had any influence to begin with.

We have agreement.  


There was a reason that medicare wasn't named Eldercare. The plan was to expand it to everyone (0.00 / 0)
over time when it was first passed.

How has that worked out?

Giving the insurance companies a trillion dollars every decade will guarantee they are forever a more dominant force in our country.

It's a bad plan. Period.


the masters feed the masters.... (0.00 / 0)


The reason (0.00 / 0)
may be linked to public opinion. http://www.rasmussenreports.co...

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Thirty-two percent (32%) of voters nationwide favor a single-payer health care system where the federal government provides coverage for everyone. A Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 57% are opposed to a single-payer plan.

Fifty-two percent (52%) believe such a system would lead to a lower quality of care while 13% believe care would improve. Twenty-seven percent (27%) think that the quality of care would remain about the same.

Forty-five percent (45%) also say a single-payer system would lead to higher health care costs while 24% think lower costs would result. Nineteen percent (19%) think prices would remain about the same.
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Health Care Reform: One small step at a time. (0.00 / 0)
I agree with the premise that just the beginning of health care reform would be a big step in the right direction.  Would it be perfect? Absolutely not, but it could be adjusted in incremental steps for many years until the U.S. would have, perhaps, a unique and better system of health care for all citizens.

When you are a 70-year old widow, Medicare Plan "D" is a nightmare as far people like myself are concerned.  My income is about $1550/month (there is not one penny increase this year from las), and my health care expenses counting Medicare premiums, Medicare Supplemental Insurance (BC/BS), and Medicare Blue RX (plan "D"), plus my out-of-pocket costs for medications since hitting the doughnut hole in May is a whopping $1000+ per month.  Now when healthcare takes more than two thirds of your monthly income, you ARE up a creek without a paddle.  

We need an overhaul of the whole darn system, but I fear we will have to take one baby step after another, before true reform becomes a reality.


Klein is a sellout (0.00 / 0)
Same as our senior senator.  We get no real reform out of this congress and we're supposed to be optimistic that it will lead to incremental change.  Then Klein goes on to say it's the fault of the reformers, "who need to increase public support for their policies."

No, it's the Blue Dogs and other Democratic hacks who stalled any meaningful reform, allowing the Republicans and the health care industry to mount a massive scare campaign.  It's predictable, pitiful and it seems to be working -- no thanks to wonks like Klein.

 


Ezra, a sellout? (0.00 / 0)
Hard to see that, Pete.

[ Parent ]
ezra came to missoula a few months ago.... (0.00 / 0)
and his message as far as i could figure out was to lower everyone's expectations about health care....

but before we all start rolling dead bodies into their graves maybe we should hold our breaths and see what happens on the 14th....i mean the man is the first black man to be elected president. i don't think obama is that afraid of a little adversity. let's just see what comes out of his meeting with baucus and go from there. i think i am going to hold fire until then. i may be a black bear, but somehow i think our president knows how to do some things right so lets just calm down and tend the fort until help arrives, shall we?


Lowering expectations (0.00 / 0)
That's not always a bad thing, problembear.  Klein's message, to me, seemed to be one of realism. He wanted people to understand the hurdles that have to be overcome in order to reform a monolithic and socially necessary beast like 'health care'. Much of what he was saying was to be taken from his asides, such as when he pointed out that the majority of Americans favor their current health plan, even though that's likely self-defeating.  That's why he began by drawing the distinction between political reality and good policy.

[ Parent ]
Do you suppose if he wrote passionate well reasoned calls to action for single payer (0.00 / 0)
he would keep his job?

Does the Post have any health care columnist who point out the folly of the Dems "make it as convoluted and difficult as possible" approach, when single payer is a proven way to contain costs and provide high quality health coverage for everyone, and everyone can choose any doctor they want any time?

I can't say I read the Post daily, but i don't recall them having anyone who constantly and consistently writes favorable facts and opinions about single payer or who reports on health care from a single payer perspective.

My guess is they don't want a reporter who will do that because if they did there are plenty of capable people out there they could hire.



Silly. How 'bout a dose of reality. (0.00 / 0)
1)  Ezra Klein got hired by the Post in April.  He had a large body of work behind him, at that point.  It helps that the guy is un-frikking-believably prolific in his writing.  Ezra knows who he is, and the Post knew what they were getting.  Your fantasy scenario is just that, fantasy.  He's not going to write a single payer screed.  Your expectation that he somehow should or would comes straight from Bizarro world.

2)  Klein has pointed out that HB 3200 is unnecessarily complex. It's your own assumption that he hasn't.  It's your own bullshit assumption that "the Dems "make it as convoluted and difficult as possible" approach, when single payer is a proven way to contain costs and provide high quality health coverage for everyone, and everyone can choose any doctor they want any time".  even worse, you assume that Klein simply must agree with you.

3)  Oh wow.  An Ad Hominem against a newspaper. No one's ever seen that before.  How cutting edge!  They aren't covering what I want them to cover!  goes the cry.  You know what?  I'll bet you a donut low sodium meal cracker that if anybody in Washington took single payer seriously, the Post would be right on top of that news. Here's a hint.  They aren't because they aren't in the advocacy game.  They are in the news game.  Make some news, and I'll bet they'll cover it.  Come on pal, we got a cracker riding on this bet!    


[ Parent ]
What is it about "He sold out" you don't get young man? He sold out! (0.00 / 0)
If he were to advocate for single payer in a regular and sustained way he would be off the paper.

They let him write favorably about "market driven solutions for the poor" and favorably about "socialized profits" for the scumbag unethical insurance companies. And favorably about the the soaking of the middle class to pay it to the malevolent insurance companies.

He can infrequently divulge that in his heart of hearts, he secretly dreams of a single payer world... But he won't advocate for it.

He sold out his own dreams. He sold his own soul.

He bought the corporate media line, dude, he ate the blue pill. He's Cokey Roberts as a younger man.


[ Parent ]
Your arrogance is amazing (0.00 / 0)
I'm older and wiser than you, pissant.  So can the diminutives.  They don't make sense.  Or are you all-of-a-sudden in favor of cheap insult?  Wouldn't that mean that you're a hypocrite?  Why, of course it would.  So, Steve, by your own admission, aren't you a hypocrite?  Of course you are.  

And for someone to have "sold out" they have to have supported one position and then have been bought by another.  You yourself wrote that Ezra didn't write in favor of single payer.  If you think that Ezra has "sold out", then you sure as hell can't show it.  Which means, quite clearly, that you're just ignorant, and pretty fucking pissy about it to boot.

So, hypocrite, perhaps you can tell us all what obligation Mr. Klein has to support your position?


[ Parent ]
Son, I'm afraid I've got a few years on you. I imagine you are amazed by me, like you say. (0.00 / 0)
I know that you have had a tough life and it's made you kind of old, cranky,and cynical before your time. (You are about 47 or 48, right?)

Your ignorance of my age doesn't make me a hypocrite now does it?

Shakespeare wrote, "To thine own self be true." We know that Ezra in his heart of hearts truly wants and desires single payer. We know this because that's what he wrote.(see LiTW -  "To kill the bill, or not to kill the bill." Aug 7)

Yet he denies his own dream. He denies himself. To his own self he isn't true. And that's why he's a sell out, Wolfgar.

You could learn a thing or two about writing from Ezra because he does have that craft, so I understand why he's one of your heroes.  But as far as being a sell out I doubt he could teach you much in that department.

Now shoo.



[ Parent ]
You crack me up. (0.00 / 0)
Shakespeare wrote, "To thine own self be true."

Yeah, I remember reading that in The Bard's Guide to Less Morally Objectionable Policy Wonkery. Hint:  quoting Hamlet will not lend you moral standing or establish the writer as moral teacher.  What's truly hilarious is that to you, that actually passes as argument.  Ir does clarify something though.  The reason you're morally bankrupt is that your frothing ideology is based on cliche.

Your ignorance of my age doesn't make me a hypocrite now does it?

No, it doesn't.  But your willingness to rely on cheap insult after tearfully lamenting cheap insults certainly does make you a hypocrite.

Steve W:

Maybe that poster has privileges to behave abusively, I don't know what the deal with that is. But i would think that if the policy of this blog is that posters should treat other posters with civility, then it would help that cause to be even-handed in your admonishments. After I realized that the abuse would continue unabated, I decided to not feed the troll, so to speak, and quit responding to that person.

Steve W:

He's Cokey Roberts as a younger man.

Son, I'm afraid

What is it about "He sold out" you don't get young man?

So there you are, hypocrite and a liar.  Those are words aren't insults, by the way.  They're backed up with empirical evidence.  They are simply observations that you don't like.  I do remain amazed by how clueless you can be about yourself, while being the most self-absorbed person I've encountered online since Eric Coobs.

Now shoo.

Sorry, I don't follow orders from idiots.  Not the GOP, not the DLC and certainly not from you.  (Cue more laughter.)


[ Parent ]
I compared Ezra to Cokey, not you. Cokey may be a neo-con, but she can write. So can Ezra. (0.00 / 0)
No wonder you thought I was lying. No i wasn't comparing you to Cokey, I was comparing Ezra to Cokey. "He's Cokey Roberts as a younger man."

Do you often use canned laughter, Wulfgar? Does that instill embarrassment in the people you write these long winded diatribes too?

OK , now go ahead and write back and answer me. I command you to, Wulfgar,  and you are powerless to resist! You will Obey.

PS
Are you suggesting that the only idiots in the world are the GOP, the DLC, and me?



[ Parent ]
That much is obvious (0.00 / 0)
I compared Ezra to Cokey, not you.

Doesn't make it any less of a cheap insult now does it?  You favor the cheap insults; you're a hypocrite.

I command you to, Wulfgar,  and you are powerless to resist! You will Obey.

Laughable little man.  I do what I want.  Your attempt at paradox was destroyed thoroughly by Bertrand Russell over 90 years ago.  Don't try and game me.  You haven't the talent.

Are you suggesting that the only idiots in the world are the GOP, the DLC, and me?

Only an idiot would glean that from what I wrote.  Can you say "subset"?  There, I knew you could.


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