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Governor Howard Dean on health care

by: Jay Stevens

Fri Aug 14, 2009 at 10:22:29 AM MST


I recorded this thing, but just want to share some notes I took while the Governor spoke this morning. He had some very interesting things to say, especially about the Tea Baggers and how we should frame the debate...

By the way, Dean said that the public option was "vital" to health care reform, and that its inclusion in a Congressional bill was likely, if not already foregone...

The Town Hall protests, said Dean, are not about health care. It's expressed anger. Here are the three reasons behind it:

(1) The GOP has been running on anger for 30 years. They're good at stirring it up.
(2) These are not the demographic that voted for Obama. Essentially it was the younger generation that won the race -- the Teabaggers are a shrinking group, becoming increasingly marginalized, thus evoking the anger. The smaller this group, the angrier it'll get.
(3)They're not accustomed to looking at presidents who look like Obama.

More on the generational point. Dean said the older generations -- the ones involved in the protests -- are more prone to polarization. The younger gen, not so much. (Clinton described it as a "communitarian" crowd.)

Also, you know you're winning the debate when the other side has to make stuff up. And don't bother countering or confronting the rhetoric; again, it's not about health care.

Dean did acknowledge that not starting with single-payer entering the health care debate was a mistake. He called the strategy a "hangover from the old Democratic party," an attempt to jettison a contentious provision as a peace offering in the bid to craft a bipartisan bill. But the GOP isn't interested in participating. (Leaving the House Blue Dogs to negotiate for moderate and conservative Americans.)

The public option is the compromise.

Without the public option, there's no health care reform (just health insurance reform).

The public option allows Americans to have a choice, no one's compelled to try the public option. Reform, then, would happen at the pace American consumers themselves would set. Dean said it was the best health care reform proposal he's seen because of it.

Message to Congress:

Let Americans choose! The public option allows Americans to choose their kind of health care for themselves. Do not let Congress and insurance companies choose your health care for you!

Either you're with us, or you're against us. Either you're with the American people -- your employers -- or you're with the insurance companies. We'll count and examine every vote after this is done, and take action accordingly.

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I love Howard Dean (0.00 / 0)
I was an early supporter of Dean and would swap him for Obama in a heartbeat...

That said...it's interesting that he said the "public option" will be in the final bill...I do not believe Obama has even hinted at that sort of outcome..

The tea baggers...I have been posting here for several weeks that this is genuine anger...who would not be pissed off after 8 years of GB?  Not to mention the last 30 years Reagan...Bush...Clinton...Bush....

But like Dean said, the republicans have been running on anger for 30 years...actually quite a bit longer than 30 years...and they do a good job of fear mongering...

Can anyone name a single piece of Republican legislation, in the past 30 years, that has been good for the middle class?
 


in trying to think of any i suddenly remembered the industrial hemp bill passed here (0.00 / 0)
(MT)by the Repo controlled legislature and signed into law by the Repo Gov. (It was Martz wasn't it?)

What ever happened to that and how would a farmer go about growing hemp under the state law? One could grow hemp for oil to convert to bio-diesel and use the spent cake for animal feed.

The fiber could be put to use as oriented strand board, and  locally produced value added textile products.

Anyway, while it's personally gratifying to hear a number of Dem big wigs publically admit that it was a strategic blunder (aka a mistake) to shut out the single payer people and idea from the start, there needs to be some action to mitigate that mistake.

i would call on people like Howard Dean, Max Baucus  and groups like SEIU, Move-on, and Forward Montana to publicly organize on and push for support of HR 676 in the house when it comes up for debate and a full floor vote, and to also work to keep the Kucinich amendment in HR3200 so that states could elect to do a single payer system should what ever passes for the public option also be a mistake,  and to also support both the Sanders bills in the Senate. Max could co-sponsor the Sanders bill that allows up to 5 states to experiment with a single payer approach to health care, just in case what the Senate passes also turns out to be a mistake.

Saying that taking single payer off the table and shutting out it's proponents was a mistake is admitting our leadership isn't as sharp as it needs to be. But not doing anything to mitigate the mistake would be wrong headed, stupid, and compounding the original mistake. It would prove to everyone our leadership isn't as sharp as it needs to be.



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Dean's young enough (0.00 / 0)
to have another run at the Presidency. There's obviously a bit of tension between him and the Obama admin. Obama tried to co-opt as many potential opponents for 2012 with appointments as possible, and Dean seems like one of the most likely candidates to go up against him, or to run in 2016. Dean's got a lot of political capital in the bank from his time at the DNC.  

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Obama and the public option... (0.00 / 0)
...Obama reiterated his support for a public option yesterday during the town hall meeting, with Baucus there on stage...

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