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Two Dimensions of Health Care Reform: Progress on One, Small Setback on Other

by: Matt Singer

Tue Aug 18, 2009 at 08:54:58 AM MST


I've long thought about health care reform this year being about two fundamental goals (at least for me) -- getting a bill passed this year and making that bill as progressive as possible. Those two goals can be in tension and I list the former as I do for a reason -- I see it as the priority.

Others, no doubt, have other goals. Conservatives seem to have the opposite goals of mine -- making sure a bill doesn't pass and making any bill that might as terrible as possible.

Some progressives share my second goal, making the bill progressive, but only support the goal of passing a bill based upon its contents.

Max Baucus, I think, downplays the progressivism of the bill (doesn't discount it, just downplays it) and has a third goal: bipartisanship. The third goal seems motivated both by some deep-seeded principles and also by his sense of history, that bipartisan bills tend to survive longer than partisan bills. But I think (and hope) that for Max, bipartisanship plays second-fiddle to getting a bill passed.

Well, for people who share my goals, there's a few things going on today that increase the chances of a more progressive bill, but possibly do it at the risk of making a bill's passage more dangerous. Here's the news:

  • The Left Reasserts Its Voice. I'm not just talking about the folks like the PCCC, MoveOn.org, etc. I'm talking about 60 House Democrats restating that they will oppose any healthcare bill that lacks a public option.
  • Conservatives Move the Goalposts Again. It isn't just a public option that they oppose, the right-wing movement is now opposing co-ops. Apparently, private associations of citizens are now government bureaucrats or something. Probably death panels. I don't know. But the lunacy of the right is becoming more clear even as Sen. Grassley has apparently decided to double down on the Chuck's Insanity Sauce he keeps pouring all over reform. He's now pledging to vote against a deal he cuts if his Republican colleagues don't like it. Do the math -- not even co-ops are acceptable to Republicans and Grassley won't accept what is unacceptable to Republicans.
The options for what health care can look like this year are narrowing. Any bill acceptable to enough Republicans to keep it bipartisan in the Senate is likely to face death in the House. Any bill acceptable to enough House Democrats to survive the lower chamber is likely to face a wall of partisan opposition in the Senate.

It has gotten harder in the past week to pass a healthcare bill this year.

But the odds of a progressive bill are going up.

That's how I read it anyways.

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A rose by any other name ... (4.00 / 1)
Smells as sweet. Losing is losing. Stay down, Luke. You're beat.

No bill is progress now. There are not enough votes in the Senate to pass a progressive bill. Never were. Your willingness to accept anything is a Democrat attitude, one which I cannot comprehend. It's an unwillingness to fight for the things you beleive in.

Democrats are the problem. Electing Democrats was not the answer. Time to back away, leave the party, and work for real reform through another avenue. If there is no other avenue, move. I'm thinking Costa Rica myself.

The purpose of the Democratic party is to absorb progressive movements and cut their balls off. They have succeeded. A secondary purpose is to prevent the rise of third parties. They have succeeded.

Democrats are the problem.  


I disagree that it has gotten harder (4.00 / 1)
to pass a bill. I have asserted all along that a bipartisan bill by Baucus had no chance of passing--that he would not be able to get bipartisan support. republicans have no political interest in bipartisanship. This debate is no longer about health care policy. It is about politics. And republicans seem willing to vote lock-step against the dems to prevent an Obama victory. Because they know an Obama victory means hell at the polls down the road.

So the myth that a bipartisan bill somehow stood a good chance of getting through Congress was just that--a myth.

On the other hand, I've consistently said that if dem leadership could corral their members, they could beat a filibuster, and get an up and down vote of 51+ in the senate. The Ben Nelsons of the senate should be left out in the cold if they don't want to advance dem goals.

So the success of getting a bill through Congress is getting batted between two extremes: Baucus' ability to wrangle a bipartisan bill, or leadership's ability to forge party unity. And I've always betted on leadership forging unity.

And with bipartisanship withering, that leaves the unity argument even stronger.

Dems have a choice--they've always had this choice--lead or accede. They hold the fate of health care reform in their own hands. Will they take control? Or will they let republicans lead them down a blind Baucusonian alley, only to beat them up?

I think that as republicans continue to show their cards, as Grassley has done, that it becomes easier for dems to pass a bill. They are just too meek and codependent to realize it.


"I've consistently said that if dem leadership could corral their members..." (0.00 / 0)
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Don't need a can opener (0.00 / 0)
when you've got the unions breathing down your back?

Now that's what dems need. Unions, progressives, and party leaders holding the center to the party.

Complacency and merciless republican attacks have turned centrist dems into lilly-livered milktoast.

Now they need to figure out who they fear most: right-wing whackos, or the liberal wing of their own party.

If dems can't figure this out and rope up their team, then they don't deserve to be in power.


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By my recollection (0.00 / 0)
Social Security passed with ZERO Republican votes...and Medicare passed with very few...

History has shown us that regardless of final vote, if the public likes it and wants it, the legislation/program will stand the test of time.

So screw Max and HIS sense of history...a bad bill is going to be a bad bill and will die a thousand deaths in the first four years...


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