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The public option is crucial to health care reform

by: Jay Stevens

Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 07:01:30 AM MST


There's been some talk that the public option isn't worth fighting for. Ezra Klein, for example, has been saying for months that the public option isn't all that important to reform. Steven Pearlstein yesterday went further, and called the public option essentially a meaningless "political litmus test."

Are we just foolish?

Not at all. What Klein and Pearlstein both ignore or miss is that what is at the heart of Joe Scarborough's silence when Rep. Anthony Wiener asks, "what value does private insurance bring to health care?" It's not just about cost. Those of us who have been burnt by our insurers at one time or another (all of us?) mainly want an insurer we can trust to come through for us when we are at our greatest need.

Krugman:

...to have a workable system without the public option, you need to have effective regulation of the insurers. Given the realities of our money-dominated politics, you really have to worry whether that can be done - which is a reason to havea more or less automatic mechanism for disciplining the industry.

And most of the reforms that many value so highly, put at the center of this particular reform effort - the community standard, the health insurance exchange, end of discrimination against preexisting conditions, etc & co - overlook the fact that these are patches or band-aids, not cures. What's inevitable is that the insurers will again find the loopholes to increase profits by denying claims. And why would a health insurance exchange without a public option result in lower prices, instead of an opportunity for insurer collusion?

I'm no economist, but it seems to me the benefit of the market is that competition spurs efficiency in production (cheaper prices) and better products. But the chase for profit also results in efficiencies that are not beneficial to the consumer or to the community -- outsourcing production to countries with slave labor, say, or using cheap materials or production techniques that are endanger human health and the environment. Regulation is our mechanism to try to direct the market to avoid negative efficiencies.

Insurance is a funny product, though. There's no production, so you can't really use technology to make it cheaper...and the efficiencies that would make a better product are difficult to implement, result in minimal gains, and are long-term, slow-growth changes - emphasizing preventative care, say, or streamlining bureaucracy. On the other hand, the efficiencies that are bad for the consumer are easy and result is big gains: denying claims, raising prices. Investing funds in health care delivery, so they make money from rising costs even as they pay out higher claims. And they can do this relatively easily, because insurance is a necessity. Consumers are essentially captive. And it seems to me that the the insurers' product will continue to degrade in quality and increase in cost until just short of the point at which the risk and cost for the consumer is just as bad as having no insurance at all.

A community standard, a health insurance exchange, subsidies to the insurance industry -- I can't help but think of them as temporary obstacles to the downward spiraling quality of private health insurance...

And, for me, that's where the public option steps in. It's a crucial brake on this degradation. A government-run insurance program wouldn't have the same incentives for negative efficiencies. Because there's no profit incentive, a public option wouldn't deny claims or raise prices (except to cover costs). And the worse private insurance gets, the more people would jump to the public option. On the other hand, I suspect that without incentive for profit, a government-run health insurance wouldn't seek positive efficiencies, either. It'd have to be pushed by administrators. And that's where private insurance can excel.

A public option then, should serve as a brake on private insurers' negative practices and an incentive for private insurers to better their product by prodding consumers into better health choices and health care providers to practice preventative medicine and eschew unnecessary procedures.

Or something...

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This is your best work ever ... (0.00 / 0)
That I've seen anyway - not just that I agree with you, but that you see all the way through the issue. On top of that, you are better than Ezra.

Every otehr industrial country, including those who rely on private health insurance, like Switzerland and the Netherlands, restrict the ability of insurers to profit on basic care. They do this for the very reasons you expound, the perverse incentives built into the for-profit system.  


This is your best work ever ... (0.00 / 0)
That I've seen anyway - not just that I agree with you, but that you see all the way through the issue. On top of that, you are better than Ezra.

Every otehr industrial country, including those who rely on private health insurance, like Switzerland and the Netherlands, restrict the ability of insurers to profit on basic care. They do this for the very reasons you expound, the perverse incentives built into the for-profit system.  


you liked it so much... (0.00 / 0)
...you had to say it twice!

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Jay, you almost got there... (0.00 / 0)
by bringing up Weiner's question about "what value does private insurance bring to health care?" Then you descended into a talk about efficiencies that would make even the most ardent reformist eye's glaze over. Good stuff, for sure, but you neglected to answer the question that Weiner asked.

And of course, the answer is: Private insurance brings NO VALUE to health care. There is no "added value" that is tacked on to your cash expenditures and then provided to you in the form of some product or service that you couldn't have done yourself.

In other words, the insurers pay your health care bills--some of them. You could do that yourself--and many of us do just that.

The value that one would hope an insurer would supply would be to operate somewhat as a trust. Collect your premiums, keep them safe and invest them so that when you needed them, they would be there. Aggregate premiums across individuals and communities to spread out risk and level out catastrophic events.

The problem with insurance, is that it is a risk--if you don't use it, you will lose your investment. Unlike whole life insurance, which at least gives you some cash value and operates as an investment, health insurance is a use-it-or-lose-it proposition.

Which is where Weiner is going. Instead of paying tons of money into a system, and getting little utility out of it (health insurance) we follow the social security model and pay into a trust that holds money for us and invests it, and levels out the expenses across all individuals that are participating. The theory behind single payer is not unlike the theory behind social security. Except you get to use it when you need to.

So Weiner is on to the absolute right point to drive home about insurance companies: they provide no added value, indeed they act as a negative value for most consumers. They are a middle man in a transaction that exists solely to skim a fee. They are the Enron of the health care industry--corrupt, bloated and unneeded. They could disappear in a heartbeat, and nobody would mourn their passing, as the essential service--health care--would continue on as it did before. Only all the bills would get paid, and all would be insured.

Weiner is one sharp dude. And I hope we get to see a whole lot more of him in the future. He demands an answer to a question that anti-reformists don't want to answer, because 1) either they can't, which displays their ignorance; or 2) if they answered correctly, then they'd have to follow the logical conclusion that an industry that brings no added value to the service that it (sometimes) pays for, has no rationale for existence. And if we can conclude that insurance needs to be replaced, not fixed, then we can look at solutions like single payer systems that truly provided value for the dollars contributed.


I don't disagree... (0.00 / 0)
...with your characterizations of the private insurance industry, JC. But then, my implication was the possibility that private insurers could do better, especially if challenged by an institution that doesn't have a profit incentive to do evil.

And are you so sure private insurers could never have added value to health care? I mean, private insurers might be more effective at negotiating costs than government-run insurance, they might be a better driver to change the health care payment model, because they have a real and present incentive to do so.

Who knows? I sure as hell don't have a crystal ball. That's the beauty of the public option. If the private insurers continue to do evil, they die. If private insurers do good, they live. Meanwhile, we have an elegant mechanism that allows consumers to set their own rate of health care reform.


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Another market based solution brought to you by a timely (0.00 / 0)
entrepreneur, the exact same formula that sank reform in 1993 and in the 1970s when our leaders folded and went with HMOs a very big mistake for humans, but great for insurance investors.

Do you think the Dems will ever learn from their past mistakes? Or from their past victories? (think Social Security or Medicare)

We know single payer works to contain costs and to provide access to quality care for everyone .

We know that HMOs failed miserably and we know that managed care (Clinton's market based solution brought to you by a timely entrepreneur) has failed also.

So now we need to try another alternative to success that keeps the problem in the picture?

When are we gonna learn to just do what we already know works and quit fluttering around the shiny new market based solution?



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Here is a top rated example (0.00 / 0)
http://www.ehealtheurope.net/N...

Here's how it works with commercial insurers:  http://www.minvws.nl/en/themes...


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