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Krugman defends the public option

by: Jay Stevens

Wed Sep 09, 2009 at 06:50:07 AM MST


Man, it's been frustrating to watch insider pundits one-by-one abandon the idea of the public option. I've been arguing for months now that the public option is crucial to reform. Most of the reform proposals that don't include the public option concentrate solely on getting the uninsured an insurance policy. There are no cost controls. There are no real protections for consumers against their insurers. In fact, the proposals the Senate Finance Committee have been mulling would degrade the quality of private insurance, force millions to change their insurance policies, and probably increase out-of-pocket and premium costs.

So it's good to see Krugman step up for the public option.

Krugman claims the public option would achieve three things: keep costs down, provide the only real competition in many markets, and offer a buffer for consumers from an individual mandate.

Klein - one of the targets of Krugman's column - objects to the idea that the public option would help tamp down costs. He sees the public option's customer base as being too small to negotiate prices down - but then one assumes, also, that the public option wouldn't implement a pay-for-service model, but a patient-centric payment model, which would lead to lower costs and better care. And Krugman also notes the public option wouldn't be burdened by the private insurers' administrative costs. The public option wouldn't have to worry about profit, either. The public option would be cheaper - and private insurers would have to react in order not to lose customers as soon as their customers have access to the health insurance exchange.

Josh Marshall addressed Krugman's point about the political necessity of the public option on Monday:

Am I the only one who thinks that if the Dems pass a bill with mandates and subsidies for poor and moderate income people to purchase it but no public option or competition with the insurers, that it will be pretty much a catastrophe for the Democrats in political terms?

You 'solve' the problem of the uninsured by passing a law forcing them to buy health insurance which, by definition, most a) cannot afford or b) are gambling they won't need because they're young and healthy. Either you end up with low subsidies which still leave it onerous to buy, thus creating a lot of disgruntled people, or you get generous subsidies, which cost a lot of money.

It's sort of like reform with all the cool political downsides but none of the reform.

Under an individual mandate - what Baucus is currently threatening us with - the effect is increased exponentially, as some employers will no doubt dump their workers from their expensive benefits packages and let them fend for themselves. (RJ Eskow makes it clear that a mandate without reduced costs is madness, and explains how misguided progressives put us in this awkward position.)

Bob Cesca:

Backlash understates the impact. But there's also a core values and morality component here that feeds the backlash. The politics are bad, yes. And the backlash will be significant. But the Democratic Party and the White House will be asking us to do something that is morally impossible for many of us. A compulsory corporate giveaway is unthinkable.

Righties are calling the public option "a Trojan Horse" for a single-payer system. In a sense, they're right, although their fears are absurdly overblown.

For one, the public option would allow the American people to decide for themselves what kind of healthcare payment system they want. If the public option is efficient, provides good service, and costs a fraction of a private policy, consumers will use it. If the fears of the right are realized - the public option, as a government program, is bloated, inefficient, expensive, and inhumane - consumers will not use it. If the public option is what they say it is, it will die.

It's not a top-down mandate. No one's being forced to buy a government-provided policy. No one's being forced to abandon their private insurance. The public option won't transform the way we deliver health care - this isn't a plan to implement socialized medicine.

The public option is just that - an option to buy insurance that is provided by a public institution. It's that simple. The public option will allow Americans to drive healthcare reform at their own pace and in the way that they like.

But without the public option, reform is merely a (temporary?) brake on the degradation of service from private insurance, and an expensive bribe to private insurers to cover some of the costs of our sick.

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Ron Wyden's odd statement (0.00 / 0)
This morning, on MSNBC, Democratic Senator Wyden said that the public option would not be available to 90% of Americans. He went on to say that a "government bureaucrat" would decide who was eligible for the plan and who was not.

Pressed for a clarification, he said something I just couldn't follow.

To me, this is a new wrinkle in the on-going argument.  Does anyone know anything further about Wyden's point?


speculation... (0.00 / 0)
Here's my speculation...

The way access to the public option would work is through the health insurance exchange, and the exchange is open only to some folks. In the House bills, it's people working for small companies and people without health insurance. Therefore, only a limited number of people could actually access the public option even if it makes it into the final bill.

Wyden has a bill in the Senate that would make the health insurance exchange available to everybody. I suspect this is his roundabout way of criticizing the lack of interest in his bill...


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As currently written in the Senate HELP and in the House HR3200 bill, what is being called the (4.00 / 1)
"public option" is worthless.

These are required reading if you want to know about what is currently being labeled "The Public Option" in both the house and the senate.

http://pnhp.org/blog/2009/07/2...

http://pnhp.org/blog/2009/07/2...

http://pnhp.org/blog/2009/08/1...


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Interesting, but useless (4.00 / 1)
Krugman has me scratching my head and saying "Huh!"  Just what are the features that are required for anyone to call a govt insurance plan a Public Option?  Will the base swoon if all Obama does is attach the  PO label to whatever is built?

A couple months ago I was at a gas station when this unusual vehicle pulled in. From the front it looked like an 80's Cadillac Eldorado, except it had a Mercedes hood ornament.  From the back it looked like an El Camino pickup.  Obviously the owner had time and money to create this impression. So what to call it?

Public Option fans may be mollified by the hood ornament when Obama labels whatever comes out of the sausage factory a PO.  Corporate interests may be mollified when they see the Cadillac. AND the people may be mollified when they see the pickup.  So what is the PO in Krugman's mind and rhetoric?  Is he satisfied with ornamentation, styling, or utility?


Dems commit mass suicide with Baucus plan (4.00 / 1)
Well Jay, I guess we come to the place in the trail where we look back and wonder how the hell we got here at the cliff's edge.  Must have been something about game theory most of us just didn't understand that brings us to this sorry-ass juncture.  Mandated insurance?  Fines?  Some progressive plan.  Anyone wonder why it took Max 9 months to come up with the Massachusetts plan?  You know, the one that has the highest per capita costs in the country for failing coverage?  Jeez. Krugman ain't gonna save us and Obama has just been hosed by a pre-emptive strike from his own party (or at least the Senate).

Oh well, as Woody Guthrie sang: "So long, it's been good to know ya..."  


it ain't over... (0.00 / 0)
A little early to give up, GO. There's been no plan passed by either body of Congress. We've got a pretty good commitment from the House progressive caucus to fight for the public option. Even if the Senate passes a stink bomb, there's reconciliation.

The president is speaking tonight, and we'll know then if he still supports the public option then...and even if he abandons it, that doesn't mean it won't be in the final bill.

As to how we got to where we are now? You have to hand Baucus a lot of credit for that. I think a lot of DC insiders -- like Klein -- talked themselves into supporting whatever the "centrists" in the Senate gave us. We'll have to adjust our electoral strategies after the votes on the bill are apparent, of course...


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Public perception is for real, Jay (0.00 / 0)
The same old stuff from you on this one, pard.  It ain't over, blah, blah, blah.  Well, when the public sees the headlines on their morning paper "Plan would mandate health insurance" and then they read the "fines of $3,800 for a family of four" I got news for ya Jay old boy -- it's over for a whole pile of people out there.  The ones who will be royally pissed because now their government is going to fine them for something they can't afford (not a crime to be poor, by the way)and mandate that they give what money they do have (even if it's out of their Social Security payments) to the same insurance companies that have been screwing us for years and continue to do so.  Surely you must have seen the article today "Audit shows $15M bonuses, $35K party at Blue Cross Blue Shield of North Dakota."  If you think those headlines go unheeded, you're living in a dream world, Jay.  

What the Dems have basically done, under the non-leadership of Max Baucus (and Obama, since he abdicated leadership on the issue to Congress right out of the chute), is cut the legs out from under their progressive base, do little or nothing to mollify the pissed-off teabaggers, handed the Republicans an incredible re-energizing issue, and rejected the promised CHANGE and REFORM in favor of status quo corporate rip-offs.

We'll see what Obama does tonight -- but I wouldn't hold out much hope that he's going to tell Congress to give him universal health care or go home.  And quite frankly, he won't have to -- I assure you, there will be more than a few members of Congress who will not be coming back after the next election and Obama's entire agenda (if he has one) will be crippled or totally derailed by this initial, critical, and abject failure.  The only thing this will secure may well be a one-term presidency for Obama.

Keep waiting -- oh, and maybe some game theory will save us.  


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...thus the importance of the public option... (0.00 / 0)
I agree: an individual mandate without the public option is political suicide. Hell, an individual mandate is a dumb idea. But again, there's been no actual legislation passed. Yer puttin' the cart before the horse...

And rumor has it Obama's going to endorse the public option tonight. I'll wait until he says it, but, you know, that's pretty good stuff.

We'll see.


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Well Jay...he didn't exactly "endorse" (0.00 / 0)
the public option.  And all this talk about "the debate is just getting started" and " lets wait and see what shakes out" is wishful thinking...there has been little said by the Democrats that would make me optimistic...

George is dead on...Obama and the Democrats have totally blown an opportunity to guarantee a generation of electoral success...instead they have handed control of the House...and a larger chunk of the Senate to the Republicans....the next three years will be interesting  


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you think? (0.00 / 0)
while I still have my concerns, I thought the speech was fantastic. And based on the polling data, it looked like it was an amazing success, winning over 2 out of 3 undecideds. To be sure, proof's in the pudding; we'll see what happens when there is a bill voted into law, and how folks react to the new paradigm. But frankly I'm more optimistic now than I was before the speech...

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Huge windfall for private health insurance companies? (0.00 / 0)
Whether or not PO passes, it looks like a wise investor should sink his money in health insurance stocks. If I weren't a borderline socialist, it's what I'd do.  

yup... (0.00 / 0)
...I wish I had the link, but Kevin Drum (Mother Jones) essentially called it a bribe. I think that's fair...

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It's all pretty simple (0.00 / 0)
Baucus hires Liz Fowler, She helps with Medicaid part D. Quits Max, goes to work for Wellpoint as a VP. Sees the dems are going to take control of Congress. Goes back to work for Max writing his health care bill.

What does Liz have to say about the process while at Wellpoint?

"When I was on the Hill, people liked me because I was working on bills that gave away money," she says. "I always joke that the reason that I have a lot of friends is 'cause I got to give away money."

So, yeah. We have a prime example of collusion--the revolving door between Congress and the health industry at work here. Wrote a little piece about this over at 4&20.


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Baucus has just said (0.00 / 0)
he doesn't think a PO could pass in the senate.  Unless Obama grows a pair and makes a stand for the PO with the veto pen, it is dead.

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Yeah, (0.00 / 0)
and there goes his individual mandate, because people will not be coerced into getting private plans under the threat of IRS-enforced fines. You want to see dems get hounded out of office, just try and pass that.

So, no public plan, no individual mandate. simple as that. And it all continues to unravel to a mild insurance reform that wasn't worth the hoopla in the first place.


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Glad you posted the Liz Fowler "ick" factor (0.00 / 0)
I always assumed that this bill would be crafted like Medicare Plan D which was a gift of gobs of subsidies to help the health insurance industry compete and to provide the lovely doughnut hole so people were "obliged" to buy more insurance.  I didn't actually think they had the nerve to hire the same person to write this bill. But that was silly of me.  They don't even try to hide the corruption anymore.

Max wrings his hands and thinks only of the cost, the cost.  Typical of a lot of economists or systems analysts is looking at "cost" in terms of money spent as opposed to how society is effected by a for profit health care industry.  Veblen called what matters "the tenuous things of the human spirit".

This latest flim flam won't work this time.  Shouldn't of bailed out the banks.  Just because the insurance companies made bad investments shouldn't be a reason to bail them out either. If we are lucky it will be time to say "nighty, night, capitalism" if the Dems are so stupid as to put mandates in place.

I'm still going with Taibbi who thinks we will get some small changes. Nothing to see here.  Move along and....

Join "The Mad as Hell Docs" at noon tomorrow in Helena and in Washington D.C.  See ya there.


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Future-ex-chairman Baucus has his legacy. (4.00 / 1)
Ochenski has covered it well.  Who do Democrats think will do the door-to-door work next election after what one clever blogger described as "The Mother of All Sellouts?"  This is so 1994.  Low energy equals low Democratc turnout in the mid-terms. Republicans are energized, and crazy, but loving the idea of taking back the Senate.  Bye-bye Chairman Max.

Americans were given the shaft with NAFTA. (0.00 / 0)
Then health care suffered because of the disillusionment and sapped spirit and that led to the 1994 Republican takeover.

But the Democrats sold out a long time ago.  I'm just finishing the 700+ page book by Greider "The Secrets of the Temple: How the Federal Reserve Runs the Country".  The Democrats deregulated finance in 1979 by getting rid of interest caps. The ability to raise interest rates to usurious heights condemned for thousands of years led to the consolidation of power for those who make money with money.
The Democrats abandoned the working American and it has been downhill ever since.  To continue to support such as pathetic party is absurd.  I wasn't paying attention in the 1980s because I was trying to just pay the rent.  Although I woke up enough to vote for the only real Democrat to run and win 11 primaries, Jesse Jackson.

I look forward to Michael Moore's "Capitalism; A Love Story".


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