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Nice speech!

by: Jay Stevens

Thu Sep 10, 2009 at 09:17:05 AM MST


Nice speech last night, eh? The prez nailed it, talked to us like grownups, explained - very clearly - the concepts and morals of health care reform, righteously struck down the nay-sayers and trouble-makers.

The president's support for the public option was a little...ambiguous...to say the least, but it was support. Remember, it's the Progressive House Caucus that decides whether the public option gets into the bill, not the president, not Max Baucus. I think this speech aids them, and I'm more optimistic today about the public option than I was yesterday.

Thoughts...yes, we all know about Joe Wilson's outburst (which would have gotten him suspended from Britain's parliament), but the general boorish behavior of the Republicans would have been laughable if some of these *sshats weren't actively trying to derail reform that will protect Americans from insurers' predatory practices that drive many Americans into bankruptcy and often even death. What got me was when Obama decried the lie of the death panels, and the Republicans sat on their hands glumly, while the rest of the room stood and cheered wildly.

What? This is what they cherish? This is what they make a very public stand for? Lies and calumny?

This, in contrast, is what I stand for:

You see, our predecessors understood that government could not, and should not, solve every problem. They understood that there are instances when the gains in security from government action are not worth the added constraints on our freedom. But they also understood that the danger of too much government is matched by the perils of too little; that without the leavening hand of wise policy, markets can crash, monopolies can stifle competition, and the vulnerable can be exploited. And they knew that when any government measure, no matter how carefully crafted or beneficial, is subject to scorn; when any efforts to help people in need are attacked as un-American; when facts and reason are thrown overboard and only timidity passes for wisdom, and we can no longer even engage in a civil conversation with each other over the things that truly matter - that at that point we don't merely lose our capacity to solve big challenges. We lose something essential about ourselves.

I also was amused by the sight of a very dour Max Baucus during Obama's points on the public option. He, like his Republican peers, also refused to rise and cheer when Obama reiterated the importance of the public option.

(Quick note. FactCheck.org debunks Wilson's accusation; the language of HB 3200 reads, "Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States." Odious, yes. But true. So why the fuss? From what I can tell - and it ain't easy wading through the morass -- conservatives are angry that illegal immigrants aren't prohibited by the bill from buying any kind of health insurance, without government assistance. Which doesn't go far enough by half, I'm guessing. Why do we let those pesky Mexicans even buy food?)

But the best part of the speech was that it worked. Those that saw it, liked what he had to say. Which just goes to show that if you're a public figure, and you're forceful enough about the reform, and clear enough in explaining it - working hard to strip away the lies - people will support it.

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Nice speech! | 19 comments
At risk of being a wet blanket, (0.00 / 0)
I think the biggest problem with reactions to the speech is over how it makes people feel. Feelings change quickly, and the warm fuzzy glow can morph into an icy chill pretty quickly. And feelings are meaningless in the halls of Congress, where the only feeling that is important is that of cold cash hitting the campaign coffers.

While I thought the speech was well crafted and presented, today dawned the same. I have the same health security fears I had yesterday. What legislation we had is in the same state it was yesterday. Republicans were, once again, shown to be the out of touch obstructionists they've come to be.

Sure, it was a pep talk, and a minor slap down. But there was no JFK "Ask not" moment. Where was the rallying cry, around which the prez can form a governing coalition? A theme by which to beat back the irrational mobs: the "nattering nabobs of negativism."

It was a comforting retreat into the glory days of the campaign where soaring rhetoric filed people's hearts with hope and change. Today people will feel and act like they did after that day at Grant Park, at the Mall, at Mile High. Which is to say they'll feel a mile high, but with every high, comes the equal and opposite low.

And today, the fundraising emails have already hit my inbox, taking advantage of that known moment of weakness that all contributors have: that euphoric moment of hitting the "Submit" button for the online contribution form after hearing an inspiring performance. The ultimate gamble. A few dollars sent in hope of change. Maybe he can... But not today. Not for me. Yet-to-pay doctor bills sit on the table, screaming louder than the politician's and PAC's begs.

But in the end, it is that audience of people that Obama spoke to that have to change the business-as-usual in D.C. And it was obvious that the republicans have no desire to. And the left and progressive voices in Congress may be inspired to push on for a public option, but what has really changed there? The compromise of a compromise is still shredding any value out of it. We were told the ends do not justify the means. That other, less effective means may get us to a somewhat similar, though less preferable end. And that'll have to do. Because "I'm going to be the last" president to tackle health reform. That sounds rather apocalyptic to me, given what I know about the probable outcome.

And the middle, where Baucus and all the rest stand still are beholden to their corporate lobbyists. The puppeteer's strings remain strongly attached. Corporatism escaped unscathed, the few fleeting references to profiteering flung out for feel-good effect, with no substance to back them up. A few blocks away, the Supreme Court had just opened its fall session with a case that portends to open the floodgates of corporate money into politics, as corporations worked to put the first amendment fully behind their faux citizenry. Citizens United vs. Federal Election Commission. Except the citizens in this case are rooting for the corporations to join their ranks.

We had a month of media-megaphoned teabagging, and a half hour of Obama. A month of anger vs. a fleeting moment of hope. That is still an unbalanced equation. Bagging goes on, most likely stimulated by Obama's audacity to speak to the Congress and the nation. To speak to school children. Obama will hit the road in the weeks ahead, and the media will focus on the drama of those shouting the loudest--because it sells newspapers and brings viewers and advertising dollars to the news. Baggers will make it an opportunity to continue their circus.

I wonder how long it will be till this speech is just a footnote in a legislative process that is going to progress as it would have. Will the final outcome of health reform have been changed because of last night? I really doubt it.

Maybe I would feel different if my life was any different today. If I saw that there would be change in the next year, or two or three. Four years out is a long time for people people frozen out of our health care system to wait for reform. Many of them will die between now and then. I could be one. The safety net of Medicare lies not much further out, and seems to be a more realistic goal to achieve: hoping to limp across that final 65 and over goal line with a trailer of pre-existings in tow.

Final thought about the state of reform today? It's the "same as it ever was."


to regular people (0.00 / 0)
it just seemed like a bunch of fluff and stuff and puffery... they already stripped most of the substance from the health care reform effort behind the scenes.

in two more days, when the dust settles, it will be back to business as usual.... http://goddamnindependents.wor...


"the regular people"? (0.00 / 0)
Seriously?

Hate to be a wet blanket for your wet blanket, but it's readily apparent it's the "regular" people Obama won over last night, in spades. At least that's what the polling data showed.


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It worked? (0.00 / 0)
But the best part of the speech was that it worked.

The CNN poll sample had 45% Dems and 18% Republicans.  That's roughly a 9% over-sampling of Dems and a 20% under-sampling of Republicans.  CNN should be ashamed of itself for even publishing that piece of shit.  


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Here's a more meaningful measure (0.00 / 0)
http://www.rasmussenreports.co...

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A Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey conducted Tuesday and Wednesday nights finds that 44% favor the plan while 53% are opposed. These numbers are little different than those in late August.

However, the overwhelmingly majority of interviews for the new survey were conducted before the president's speech to Congress Wednesday night. Rasmussen Reports will be tracking support for the proposals on a daily basis over the next several days to measure what impact the speech has on public opinion.
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Let's wait and see what the bump is.  Then we can measure how long it may last.

What is surprising to me is to see Jay reference a poll after repeatedly dismissing them as meaningful.


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Yeah, (0.00 / 0)
Jay always dismisses polls as "meaningful."

To err is human...


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JC, that all depends (0.00 / 0)
on what the meaning of "is" is.

"To err is human..."


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And when the news gets out... (0.00 / 0)
things may go south.  http://www.google.com/hostedne...

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Policyholders could pay more under Obama plan

By TOM MURPHY and LINDA A. JOHNSON (AP) - 39 minutes ago

If President Barack Obama gets what he wants in his health care plan - covering all Americans and barring insurers from denying coverage - some analysts say individuals could wind up paying higher premiums.

The Obama plan would impose new costs on insurance companies, which would probably then raise the prices customers pay for coverage. Employers also would likely pass on some of their higher costs to employees.

An individual in a typical plan might have to pay up to $780 more for the same coverage in the first year of Obama's plan, estimates Erik Gordon, a health care analyst and assistant professor at the University of Michigan's Ross School of Business.

Gordon said employees now typically pay 20 to 40 percent of the premium for a typical health care package costing about $13,000 a year for a family of four, with employers picking up the rest.

Obama's plan would raise insurers' costs 10 to 15 percent if reform doesn't provide other savings, Gordon estimated. He thinks employers would stick employees with perhaps 40 percent of the higher premium, or $520 to $780 more - though they might also receive better coverage because of mandatory preventive care and screenings.
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Regarding the more meaningful measure (0.00 / 0)
The other day Rasmussen Reports reported hat 44% favor the plan while 53% are opposed.  Now post speech RR has the following:  http://www.rasmussenreports.co...

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President Obama's speech to Congress Wednesday night has provided at least a short-term boost in support for the health care reform plan that he and congressional Democrats have proposed. But the bounce is partisan in nature, with the increase in support coming entirely from those in the president's own party.

The latest Rasmussen Reports national tracking survey shows that 46% favor the plan and 51% are opposed. The survey was conducted on Wednesday and Thursday nights. The previous two-day sample, conducted Tuesday and Wednesday nights, found that 44% favored the plan while 53% were opposed...

Eighty percent (80%) of Democrats now support the health care plan, up from 72% in the previous survey results. Support among Republicans declined two points while support among those not affiliated with either major party rose by a single percentage point.
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Contrary to Jay's assertion, RR just doesn't reflect that Independents have changed their minds.  Let's wait and see how long the bump lasts.


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No staying power (0.00 / 0)
According to RR, the bump is over.  http://www.rasmussenreports.co...

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Following President Obama's speech to Congress last week, support for his health care reform plan increased steadily to a peak of 51% yesterday. However, the bounce appears to be over. The latest daily tracking shows that support has fallen all the way back to pre-speech levels.

Forty-five percent (45%) of all voters nationwide now favor the plan while 52% are opposed. A week ago, 44% supported the proposal and 53% were opposed. (see day-by-day numbers).

The latest figures show that 23% Strongly Favor the plan and 41% are Strongly Opposed. In late August, 23% were strongly in favor of the plan and 43% were strongly opposed.
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A Politico column today points to further trouble with Card Check and Cap and Trade:  http://www.politico.com/news/s...   Effective leadership requires more than a rhetorical "puffy shirt" to get others to follow.  


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i really wish we had a plan to back (0.00 / 0)
b

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but we don't thanks to max baucus (0.00 / 0)
he earned his 4 million by simply handing obama defeat with this p.o.s.....  i think it is too wounded now to get it's legs back. the polls i am seeing don't verify your positive spin jay.

i tried to blog this months ago. if baucus succeeds in weakening or killing real reform then the people will just quit believing. that is what is happening in every cafe, bowling alley and grocery shopping line in this country today....sure, it would have been nice to get some real change in health care but if you give people the bad trade of forcing us to do business with the weasels for the nebulous scraps of reform that remain, well, people just don't trust congress that much. and obama just spent a lot of capital for nothing. i still support obama. he was sand-bagged on this.

republicans and their machine have had very little to do with the loss of trust between this administration and congress and the majority of his supporters. max baucus is the the reason that this thing is dying. he knee-capped this thing from day one. it is time to come to terms with this.


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by the way jay... (0.00 / 0)
i do appreciate all the work you have done on this. many of your posts and jc's are masterpieces. we all personally have a lot at stake in seeing successful health care reform done right. but with ted kennedy too sick to help and his sad untimely demise and max baucus elevated to a position far beyond his mental capabilities (and far beyond his meager grasp on integrity) this thing was doomed by the stalling tactics of the gang of 6. sometimes the stars just do not really quite align. i think we can get it done in the beginning of a second obama term though. i am sure that by then, max baucus will be demoted to cabin boy by then. at least i hope so. it's over. bears have a sense 'bout these things. i talk to people. trust me.it's ugly out there.

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thanks... (0.00 / 0)
I appreciate it, pb...it's a difficult subject to wrap one's head around...but I totally agree that JC's posts, too, have been absolutely stellar...


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Kick Max in his cojones! (0.00 / 0)
The only thing Max may get out of his defeat of real health care reform, is a big loss at the polls the next time he is at bat.

NO! You CAN'T kick a man.............. (0.00 / 0)
in the cojones who's just had a colonoscopy! I mean, just LOOK at those pics of Mini at the speech.  He looks terrible!  The ONLY thing that will make a guy look that way is a very recent invasion up  the ol' body cavity!  Wait a while until Mini is fully recovered.

And BTW, O'Bama IS my hero!  I luv the guy.  Be happy, don't worry.  Ya gotta start somewhere.  Allow HIS public option as it is, and then step back and watch that sucker grow!  O'Bama knows full well what he's up against. His public option is a foot in the door, just enough for the PUBLIC to enter his public option!  Never underestimate the public's concern on this one.  If they see an opening, like a foot in the door, they're gonna TAKE it! They're gonna DEMAND it! Mark my word. They're gonna stampede through that sucker slicker than that camera up Mini's ass! The insurance industry understands this, and it scares them to death.  They KNOW that they've been outed, but they're not real  sure what to do.  But the PUBLIC knows EXACTLY what to do.  Medicare Part E, for EVERYBODY!  It's only a matter of time.


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