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Private insurers to raise prices!

by: Jay Stevens

Mon Oct 12, 2009 at 11:32:42 AM MST


All hell broke loose on the 'Tubes when an insurance industry trade group - AHIP - announced plans to release a study showing Congress' healthcare reform would result in rate hikes: an extra $4,000 per family in 2019!

Klein:

In the hallowed tradition of the tobacco and energy industries, the health insurance industry has commissioned a report (pdf) projecting doom and despair for those who seek to reform its business practices. The report was farmed out to the consultancy PricewaterhouseCoopers, which has something of a history with this sort of thing: In the early-'90s, the tobacco industry commissioned PWC to estimate the economic devastation that would result from a tax on tobacco. The report was later analyzed by the Arthur Andersen Economic Consulting group, which concluded that "the cumulative effect of PW's methods ... is to produce patently unreliable results." It's perhaps no surprise that the patently unreliable results were all in the tobacco industry's favor. He who pays the piper names the tune, and all that.

Color me completely unsurprised. Even if this is all a sham intended to derail reform, who doesn't believe the insurance companies won't raise rates? Of course they'll raise rates!

I'm with Digby:

Frankly, I wouldn't expect any less of them. They will raise premiums sky high even if reforms don't pass. They always have before. Indeed, the only thing that kept them in check at all over the past 20 years was a roaring stock market, which allowed them to make huge profits while only gouging their customers at about 15% inflation. Lately, they've had no choice but to jack that up and gouge the sick customers even more. They are, after all, profit driven corporations.

Digby suspects this has something to do with an amendment capping industry tax exemptions for executive salaries at $500K instead of $1M. (Er...we allow companies to deduct executive salaries???) Digby jokes, "Nobody puts CEOs in the corner," and says this:

There has never been a better argument for the public plan than the one the insurance company just handed the Democrats in congress. They have produced a shoddy, self-serving report as a blatant threat to raise premiums higher than they already plan to raise them. If there has ever been a more obvious case of bad faith than this, I haven't seen it. The only thing that will keep these corporate criminals in line is either price controls or stiff competition and if they can't keep their companies solvent without giving their executives outrageous pay packages, charging ridiculous prices while denying care to sick people, then maybe their financial model just doesn't work.

Again, there are good elements of reform apart from the public option. Universal coverage, say, a community standard that prohibits insurance companies from discriminating against the sick. But none of this works, IMHO, without a widely available public option as  a safety outlet for American consumers against rising policy costs and increased unreliability of coverage...

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Let 'em raise prices (0.00 / 0)
They'll just be shooting themselves in the foot.

What was it that Wendall Potter, former exec at CIGNA said? Oh yeah:

"I think the system cannot be sustained. It ultimately will fail. I think that is when we will begin to start seeing some real reform."

As long as insurers are willing to contribute to the implosion of our current health care system, I'm willing to wait out the storm and hope that it does get bad enough for the people to throw the bums out and build a new system of health care.

I think that Obama got it wrong when he said we couldn't build a system from scratch. I think that's the only way to get it done right,

Oh, and Jay, could you please quit using the term "universal coverage" when only half of the currently 45 million uninsured will get coverage under the new "consensus" position. There are going to be 25 million citizens who will disagree with you and anybody else who wants to further the myth of universality on that point.


We need a national health care system. (0.00 / 0)
With a system in place, we can then address keeping costs down. How do we address the AMA getting paid 100 million to determine the codes that decide the cost of medical procedures etc?  By having a public system. How do we address the crimes of the Medicare Modernization Act (similar to the Commodity Futures Modernization Act)in keeping prescription drugs prices twice as high as other countries?  A national system.  How do we have MRIs that cost $98 as in Japan as opposed to $5,000 in Livingston?  Make them come up with efficient cheaper machines like the Japanese engineers did.

I'm with JC.  Bring it on, you frakking terrorists.  They saw how ineffectual the Democrats and the President's reform was, so they said, "Hey, let's go for it all.  What are they gonna do?  Fight us? Those losers? Ha! Ha! Ha!"


Feral Cat (0.00 / 0)
With a system in place, we can then address keeping costs down.

I suggest to you that you won't get a system in place unless it can be overwhelmingly demonstrated that it will keep costs down.  Your own comment suggests the same.  


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This was suggested by Dr. Paul Hochfeld of the (0.00 / 0)
Mad as Hell Doctors.  With a non-profit bargaining force, like other countries, we begin to bring costs to the American citizen individually and collectively down.  Some doctors will lose in this set up.  Orthopedic surgeons may not make as much.  Neurosurgeons may not make over $One million.  But primary physicians would be better compensated and then we could get more of them.  Right now we have a shortage and paying them for quality work rather than quantity is just one of many ways to create a real health care system, not an insurance system.  

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Notice please (0.00 / 0)
I wasn't at all disagreeing with your source or point of contact ... just your sense of process timing.

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wulfgar.... (0.00 / 0)
max and co. are talking about keeping costs down for the government vis a vis the deficit.....they don't give a damn if we pay more.  

Thank you wise bear. I guess no hibernation for you (0.00 / 0)
this year either.

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Simply put, (0.00 / 0)
What reduces costs for the consumer will keep the deficit down and make health care reform viable.  I was arguing no other point.  When it is shown that a nationalized system reduces cost, we have an argument to use.  Until then, no real reform is possible.  Putting a national system in place and then worrying about cost reduction?  Never ever gonna fly.

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PULL THE DAMN PLUG ON GRANMA! (0.00 / 0)
I don't know about the rest of you folks, but my GOD, my wife and I have taken care of numerous elderly relatives, and Medicaire can EASILY rack up a million dollars just keeping them alive and suffering for a few extra months!  I will not go into personal details, but the system is TOTALLY F-ed UP!  Why are we spending literally MILLIONS on folks who are dying?  And yet, the Pubbies keep saying that the govt can provide NO end of life counseling!  The entire system is F-ed up!  There IS a better way!  Rationing!  Spend SOME of those millions on kids and folks who have NOT health coverage!  Reality bites.  Reality sucks.  But reality CAN'T be changed!

Harsh, my man (0.00 / 0)
Harsh, but sometimes true.  And wouldn't it be nice if people could, ya' know, make up their own minds?

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Reality is harsh I guess. (0.00 / 0)
Within the past year, no exaggeration, the medical bill for a relative has been well over a million dollars, including surgeries that were very unnecessary.  I'm thinkin' that the doc was needin' a new condo somewhere!  Sometimes, ya just gotta let nature takes is harsh course.  People die when they get very old.  An ice floe is probably as good as a couple'a extra months on machines!

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