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Remember, the public option IS the compromise

by: Jay Stevens

Fri Oct 23, 2009 at 18:13:57 PM MST


Ezra Klein today reported that Harry Reid was very close to including a national public option into the healthcare reform bill that would be voted on in the Senate. Until...

...Max Baucus held a meeting.

Here, stories begin to diverge. Depending on who you talk to, Baucus either held a routine, informational meeting telling the Senate moderates and members of the Senate Finance Committee what's going on, as he's been doing fairly regularly, or he held a meeting in which he tried to rally Senate moderates to change Reid's mind. Or maybe there's no difference between the two. The first to really speak out after the meeting was Sen. Ben Nelson, and, as one staffer pointed out, Nelson didn't need Baucus to remind him that he was opposed to a national public option. Soon enough, Olympia Snowe was also making firm statements against the public option, and threatening a filibuster.

Sort of astounding for a Senator who claims to support the public option. In fact, right now, we have to assume that Max Baucus is actively working against the public option.

This week, George Ochenski wrote a pretty d*mning op-ed in the Missoula Independent, accusing state Democrats of lining up to praise Baucus' efforts on healthcare and his bill because of money. Campaign money. Oodles and oodles of cash. And you know what? He's got a point.

But money isn't everything. Votes matter, too. And I guarantee they can't have both Baucus' money and widespread support among voters, especially those of the Democratic base. Because this bill, without a robust, widely-available public option, is going to affect a majority of Montanans' not one single bit, except to raise their premiums. Many, if not most, voters will wake up the day the bill goes into effect, and still find rejected claims due to preexisting conditions in their mailbox along with a stiff little premium hike to cover those the insurers will be forced to cover. (You know how they'll frame it, too. Those "shiftless""irresponsible" ones, the "parasites" who don't take care of their health.) And a lucky few union families will find a nice fat tax hike in their pay stub, too.

The bill without a robust public option is a kind of welfare program for the poor. Which is fine. But it's been framed as healthcare "reform." And when people hear "reform," and want "reform," and you give them something else that's definitely not "reform," you know what their reaction will be.

It will destroy the Democratic party.

So. Montana Democrats. You either stick with Baucus and drive off a political cliff, or you ditch him and find another way to raise money. H*ll, if you come out strong and hard against Baucus and for the public option, raising money probably won't be an issue.

And, frankly, Baucus isn't the only one who appears to be against us. Also from Klein's piece:

On Thursday night, Reid went over to the White House for a talk with the president. The conversation centered on Reid's desire to put Schumer's national opt-out plan into the base bill. White House officials were not necessarily pleased, and they made that known. Everyone agrees that they didn't embrace Reid's new strategy. Everyone agrees that the White House wants Snowe on the bill, feels the trigger offers a safer endgame, and isn't convinced by Reid's math. But whether officials expressed a clear preference for the trigger, or were just worried about the potential for 60 votes, is less clear. One staffer briefed on the conversation says "the White House basically told us, 'We hope you guys know what you're doing.'"

Frankly, I hope the White House knows what it's doing. Because from here, it looks like they're pushing for the clusterf*ck.

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Remember, the public option is the bottom of the barrel. And those that promote it (0.00 / 0)
are suspect.

At least their logic is suspect, I mean

Some people will push anything they are told to push.

They are pushers. God damn the pusher man...


According to (0.00 / 0)
Sen. Wyden there isn't a health care bill out there that does NOT have a seriously flawed public option component. That's 3 or 4 purposed bills and 3 or 4 bad public options....

The problem with each of them? 90% of us would not have the opportunity to chose the public option! If you currently have employer provider health insurance you would be locked into that insurance plan with NO chance to switch to a public option...


every time they back off from real reform (0.00 / 0)
the majority of the public becomes incensed and starts writing in e-mails and phone calls and increasing the pro- public option margins in the polls. baucus and obama's staff better get their heads out of their asses on this.

the mood of the american public is not very good right now for some watered down version of public option after all the bail-outs for the rich. saying we can't afford decent affordable and secure health care for everyone is just not good politics right now.

anyone listening to max baucus right now needs to have their head examined our there in dc. max is oblivious to how voters feel out here in the real world. his staff is equally oblivious and have shielded him from any meaningful engagement with his constituents. obama needs to be very wary of any advice coming from max on this. it is a trap laid out by the insurance weasels to lose the presidential re-election in 2012. anything less than an public option which is open to all will be political suicide and will only ensure defeat.  


Public Option: States can opt in--or opt out (0.00 / 0)
What a fiasco this health care reform as become.  Won't be worth a pail of warm spit by the time our Congress is through with it.

Now, some are pushing the idea of a "public option" only if states have the choice to opt in--or opt out of the public option.

Guess what, every state that would opt in for the public option would see a mass influx of the poor and unemployed from the states that didn't want a public option.  This is a very bad idea.


i don't think the white house knows what it is doing at all (0.00 / 0)
in fact, i believe rahm emanual and his staff which includes so-called health care specialist jim messina formerly from max baucus's staff of health-insurance-lobbyists-in-waiting are leading obama directly into a trap for the next election cycle of 2012 by going against the majority of the american public on this......

http://problembear.wordpress.c...

at the very least they are dead wrong about the mood of the american public which is tired of being fleeced to bail out wall street and the rich and getting nothing in return except a fistful of health insurance bills and a bunch of crooked insurance companies who deny our claims.

they better wake up fast and turn this around and support the medicare e type of universal public option, cause this is gonna blow up in their faces in a couple of novembers. and i know the insurance companies along with max's ex-aide lobbyists would be very pleased to see that.  


this is what makes me suspicious (0.00 / 0)
of jim messina. who is he being loyal to in backing max baucus on this?

"Sort of astounding for a Senator who claims to support the public option. In fact, right now, we have to assume that Max Baucus is actively working against the public option."


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