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Republicans Try to Destroy the Census

by: Matt Singer

Mon Oct 26, 2009 at 10:15:05 AM MST


I'm about to head over to watch some of this forest bill open house. It may be a good opportunity to learn some more about the bill -- good and bad.

But before I do that, I wanted to flag another issue in the U.S. Senate that is just unbelievable and a reminder that this country currently has one serious political party and one insane group of nutjobs with no plans to actually govern.

The NYT editorializes:

With the start of the 2010 census just a few months away, Senator David Vitter, a Republican of Louisiana, wants to cut off financing for the count unless the survey includes a question asking if the respondent is a United States citizen. Aides say he plans to submit an amendment to the census appropriation bill soon.

As required by law, the Census Bureau gave Congress the exact wording of the survey's 10 questions in early April 2008 - more than 18 months ago. Changing it now to meet Mr. Vitter's demand would delay the count, could skew the results and would certainly make it even harder to persuade minorities to participate.

It would also be hugely expensive. The Commerce Department says that redoing the survey would cost hundreds of millions of dollars: to rewrite and reprint hundreds of millions of census forms, to revise instructional and promotional material and to reprogram software and scanners.

If we're going to waste money like this, couldn't we ask some other questions as well, like "Have you ever worn a diaper and hired a prostitute while serving in federal elected office?"

But this isn't just about cost. It is about the Constitution. The Constitution calls for a count of "the whole numbers of persons in each state," not for the number of citizens. The census bureau tries to separately keep tabs on such numbers as do other federal agencies, but for the purpose of apportionment, citizenship is a Constitutional non-issue.

So should we waste money to violate the Constitution? I'd say no. David Vitter and a lot of Republicans are saying yes. I think the favorable reading here is that they're idiots.

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Not Unconstitutional (0.00 / 0)
The census recorded citizenship for many years -- 1890-1930 for sure, probably later.  The 1880 didn't, although it did have separate fields for Idiotic and Insane.

The Constitution specifically provides that the Enumeration is to be made 'in such Manner as [Congress] shall by Law direct.'  Sen. Vitter may be an ass, but I doubt he's pursuing an unconstitutional endeavor.  

Confirm thy soul in self control, thy liberty in law.


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The Constitutional issues would arise if apportionment was to depend on citizenship status.

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if they brought back Idiotic and Insane.

Confirm thy soul in self control, thy liberty in law.

U.S. Census data IS available for years 1790 through 1930 (0.00 / 0)
The U.S. Census Bureau has been collecting census data every 10 years since 1790.  By law, this data cannot be released to the public until 72 years have passed from the year it was taken.  Hence, the 1940 census data will not be available to the public until 2012.

The 1890 U.S. Census was gathered, however only fragments remain, as the 1890 records were housed in the Commerce Department in Washington, D.C., and were almost entirely destroyed by a fire on January 10, 1921.

Several genealogy organizations provide digitized visual images of these documents in databases you can search online. I happen to purchase my census database from Ancestry.com.  These census data are treasured by genealogists who are searching for their ancestors.  

The older census' often provided a lot more information than those taken in recent years. Every decade now, the census information being gathered seems to be dumbed down due to paranoid protests.  It is very sad that far too many people take a paranoid view of these studies, due to ultra conservative political idealogy, and anti-government sentiments.

I know that I was delighted to find my grandparents, great grandparents, and great, great grandparents in these census documents.  I learned where they lived, what the ages of their children were, where each family member was born--and where their parents were born (state or country--which country they immigrated from, and the year they immigrated to the U.S.), what was the main occupation of the head of household, whether or not they spoke English, and if they owned a radio. This is just some of the info that is absolutely priceless to people searching for their roots.

I want people to go back to their non-paranoid roots too, and take pleasure in making the census process a record to be proud of, and a record that may, in 72 years, provide a person's descendants with knowledge of who their ancestors were as an individual, family and a country.


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