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Rehberg flirts with the lunatic fringe

by: Jay Stevens

Tue Nov 10, 2009 at 09:23:52 AM MST


Look who voted against the healthcare reform bill in the House, and why!

Rep. Denny Rehberg, who joined all but one of his fellow Republicans in voting "no" Saturday on the major health-reform bill that passed the U.S. House, said the measure is an ill-advised "trillion-dollar government takeover of health care."

I wish!

Wait, there's more!

"I'm standing with Montanans in favor of sensible reforms that don't simply replace insurance bureaucracies with more expensive government bureaucracies," he said.

Rehberg said he supports a Republican alternative proposal rolled out last week that would allow Americans to buy health insurance across state lines, encourage small-business health insurance pools, increase the use of individual health savings accounts and reform medical liability to reduce the cost of medical-malpractice lawsuits.

Okay...two outright falsehoods in those statements. The House bill is definitely anything but a government takeover of healthcare; and insurance bureaucracies are not more expensive than government bureaucracies. In fact, the opposite is, of course, true.

We're in Beck-ian territory here.

As for the Republican proposal, well, I've written about this stuff before, but buying insurance across state lines will only make insurance less reliable, cover fewer conditions, and cause you more out-of-pocket medical costs; small business insurance pools and individual health accounts don't solve the problem of the uninsured; and tort reform doesn't work, doesn't lower healthcare costs, and gives medical professionals a disincentive to give good care.

In these few words, Rehberg illustrates the difficulties facing progressives and reformers who, like me, are not entirely pleased with a healthcare reform bill that preserves the broken-down insurance status quo and essentially bribes the industry to cover the uninsured. On one hand, we need to pressure Democrats into adopting real and effective policies. On the other hand, Republicans -- and Rehberg now, too, apparently -- are entering crazy land. We can't entrust governance to these people. Things were bad enough under the recent Republican hegemony -- widespread corruption, a broken economy, stagnant wages, wars, the politicization of government, illegal domestic spying, torture -- how much worse would things be under lunatic rule?

Jay Stevens :: Rehberg flirts with the lunatic fringe
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Lunatic rule (0.00 / 0)
This morning I listened and watched Dylan Ratigan showing the sharp parallel between the current stock market rise and the Fed printing money like there was no tomorrow.  His conclusion seemed to be this is a false recovery and we are headed for serious trouble.  I wonder which set of lunes have their hands on the printing presses at this moment?

Didn't Ratigan get the happy speak memo from TOTUS?


"Headed for serious trouble" (0.00 / 0)
Like where we've been for the last 14 months hasn't been serious trouble? Like the last 8 years of Bush & CO haven't been serious trouble--deficit spending, tax cuts for rich and unfunded/unneeded war? A raiding of the public coffers by the well-to-do. Now you cry about serious trouble? That's a croc of tears.

20 of the last 29 years America has seen a republican administration. Serious trouble?

Last time unemployment was this high was under Reagan. Serious trouble now?

It's amazing how one year of a young  liberal black president can all of a sudden bring out the hordes to claim that he owns it all, and rush to lay blame.

Headed for serious trouble? Hell, America is ungovernable right now--which is exactly what the republicans and conservatives want. And it took the last 29 years, starting with Reagan, to get us to this point.

False recovery? For whom is it false? Not Wall Street. Not AHIP. Not Blackwater. Not Exxon...

And "TOTUS"?

At least we don't have a dry drunk phony gunslinger abusing the english language with mixed metaphors, mangled malaprops, swaggering snearing snideness, and nonsensical monosyllable rallying cries.

Serious trouble? Ashes, ashes, all fall down...

Grow up Craig. You want to play the doomsayer, at least have the intellectual honesty enough to get it right. Conservatives and right wing republicans are more responsible than anybody for the inevitable demise of our country, and its current condition. The ungovernment and its ungovernables proudly will prevail, and America will fail, and then we'll be in... serious trouble.


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JC, Ratigan (0.00 / 0)
is one of your own. It was on MSNBC.  If you disagree with his analysis, take it up with him.  Then explain how Zimbabwe is such a success and a model for the US after turning on the money printing press. http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WO...  It's beyond lunacy to follow this train over the cliff.

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Pardon the multiple posts (0.00 / 0)
Didn't know how that happened.

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A genuine question (0.00 / 0)
Craig, in spite of the title of this diary and your own subject line on this thread, based on other comments on LitW I think of you as more reality-based than many rightwing nutjobs.  So can you post a link or shine any light on the rightwing meme about "printing money like there was no tomorrow"?  Is it simply a metaphor for selling lots of bonds, i.e. borrowing money and thus creating future obligations to pay bondholders; or do you actually think the US government is printing currency at a faster rate?

If the latter, I'll have to ask you to go over and sit on the "crazy" bench with Denny Rehberg.  I can't say for sure, but that seems even crazier than calling the House's HCR bill a "government takeover."


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Duncan, it was in (0.00 / 0)
Dylan Ratigan's morning show today.  He held up a chart and discussed his deep concerns over the printing press.

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Tell the whole truth once Jay - (0.00 / 0)

As a proud member of the lunatic fringe, I remind you that the Messiah told us that if he didn't get his stimulus (spending) bill that unemployment would maybe hit as high as 8%.

It's 10% and climbing - President Obama owns this economic recession - there's no blaming the previous administration for it.

BTW - according to the latest Rasmussen poll, 52% of America is part of the 'lunatic fringe' opposing the House version of health care reform -

http://www.rasmussenreports.co...


Why don't you tell any of the truth, Eric? (0.00 / 0)
Lets take a look back, shall we?

January, 2008.  George W. Bush shells out 150 billion of the tax payer's money to the tax payers in order to "fend off" a potential recession.  That effort doesn't work, because the vast majority of the money is spent on debt.  So, who benefited?  Banks.  Trickle down economics is finally shown to be the overly expensive bullshit it really is.

Late Summer, last year, the Crash occurs.  The housing bubble bursts, Wall Street loses absolutely tons of consumer's money.  Trillions of dollars of assets simply disappear.  Over the Autumn, the dollar loses potentially irreversible ground to other currencies.

October-November, 2008.  George W. Bush and his wizbang economic advisors put together a 700 Billion dollar handout to banks and financial insurers.  His administration introduces us to the concept of "too big to fail".  Too big to accept consequences without punishing everybody else is more like it.  What do these fine financiers do with the money?  Buy each other to shuffle bad assets onto the government (tax payers), and hand out enormous bonuses to the very people who successfully screwed us in the first place.

January/February, 2009.  Obama spends 787 billion dollars in an effort to restore jobs for 'real Americans'.  Much of the money is consumed by states in debt simply attempting to pay there bills.  Job impact is, to this point fairly minimal.

Now, Eric, let me dumb this down so you can understand it.  Let's that this guy, call him George, repeatedly hits you in the head with a hammer until you have brain damage repairable by only the most expensive of efforts.  George tries to make you feel better by passing you a couple of bucks he stole from your wallet so you can buy a nice shirt.  Instead, you have to spend the money on medical bills.  Your health insurance agent, who handed George the hammer that he hit you with, claims that they they'll go bankrupt if they have to pay for your care.  So George gives them more money that he stole from you, and they still refuse to pay for your care.  Your friends hire you a doctor in an attempt to fix your head, but the proof of his failure is that you still blame the doctor for your predicament.  Are you starting to get the picture, Eric?


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Looks like I touched a nerve - (0.00 / 0)

I was tring to find some rational thought in your rambling explanation Rob, but I can't -

Does criticism of The Great Leader upset you that much ?

Face it guys - the 'lunatic fringe' is now 60% of the population who are opposed to the Democrats - according to the USA Today poll I just looked at.

It looks like the GOP sweep in the off year elections last week was a political earthquake. The Senate isn't going to pass this lemon, the Dems know it, and are already dividing their own caucus into camps.

Great !



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GOP sweep? (0.00 / 0)
What GOP sweep?  House District 23 in NY has not been held by a Democrat in 100 years, and now it is...and House District 10  in California is now in the hands of a Democrat...thats TWO MORE HOUSE SEATS Mr. Coobs...you'd better reassess.

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No, Eric (0.00 / 0)
I sincerely can't help it if you aren't smart enough to grasp the simple concept of cause and effect.

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"GOP sweep" (0.00 / 0)
Is that the name of the new broom the Tea Bagger Party is using to purge the RINOs?

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The original topic (0.00 / 0)
was health care and the Rehberg vote, but the Repo's hijacked the thread to talk about the jobs and the economy...well, isn't that about par for the course?

Yeah, being able to sell insurance across state lines is a big money saver...but not for the consumer. The biggest problem with selling across state lines is the insurance companies will no longer be regulated by the insurance commissioner in your state...they can set up shop in the state with the weakest regulations and sell into the other states and the only regulations that will apply are those where they are headquartered....at least that is what the Repo's put in their bill...

As for the economy...from what I gather the majority of the stimulus money hasn't even been spent by the states yet....so lets hold on a minute.


Bigsage, in the original topic (0.00 / 0)
Jay asked:  "how much worse would things be under lunatic rule?"  Dylan Ratigan's analysis points to the answer.  Zimbabwe is the example of what happened to a prosperous African country when the new govt nationalized the economy and turned on the money printing presses. Truth can be ugly.

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Craig, (0.00 / 0)
It is incumbent on you to show the parallel.  Duncan challenged you above, and I challenge you here to do the same.  You call it "truth".  Prove it.

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~facepalm~ (0.00 / 0)
Link 1:  Zimbabwe is screwed.  No kidding.

Link 2:  Zimbabwe is screwed.  No kidding.

link 3:  The US treasury is buying more bonds to secure debt.  Parallel with Zimbabwe?  Absolutely zero.

You made the claim.  Back it up.  Try harder, my friend.    


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Really???? (0.00 / 0)
Printing money is a euphemism for expanding the money supply. Printing a $ trillion more, as the NYT argues, is not evidence to you as to the parallels to Zimbabwe doing the same??????   Consider, for the moment, there is a unit of underlying value. Before printing press it is at $10 per unit. After printing press it is at $10,000 per unit.  This is the launch pad for hyperinflation. That was Ratigan's point.  Zimbabwe is the example.  Here's an interesting article on the Money Time Bomb:  http://www.prisonplanet.com/mo...

BTW, I don't know why Mark can't understand you.  I have always found you to write with remarkable clarity.  


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Of course (0.00 / 0)
you know the Federal government does not print money...only the Fed can print money, and that is a private conglomerate of the 12 largest banks in America...

Can Obama or anyone in government do anything about that? Probably not much...heck, some members of Congress have been calling for an audit of the Fed...but fat chance that will happen...

The printing of the money and the "off the book loans" (every loan...even your car loan, is new money...freshly printed)...will at some point cause some serious inflation. That might be when the birds come home to roost.


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No sweat, Craig (0.00 / 0)
Mark understands me just fine.  But like Eric, he has to pretend not to just so that his silliness still looks like truth.  Mark is an illusionist.  That gig goes straight to hell if you admit that somebody understands the trick.  

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You keep talking about Democrats (0.00 / 0)
When the topic of this conversation is you.  That would be an illusion, and sincerely delusional.

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