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Affordability in the Long Term; Why the Senate Bill is Good

by: Matt Singer

Sun Nov 22, 2009 at 14:38:10 PM MST


I continue to see people screaming bloody murder over the health care legislation moving through Congress. I don't have the numbers handy, but a poll (CNN, I think) recently found a narrow plurality opposing the House legislation, with a notable portion of those opposing it for being too conservative (worth noting, of course, most opposition was actually from the right or was self-described non-ideological).

The Senate bill, by most accounts, is a more conservative bill. It is financed primarily not by an explicitly progressive tax, but by an excise tax on health plans that will hit Goldman Sachs executives for sure, but will also hit a lot of working class union members who have negotiated health benefits for years.

The subsidies for purchasing coverage in the Senate bill are lower than I would like, meaning near-term affordability isn't what I would hope (of course, it also means less of a public transfer to private insurance companies, which I suppose is OK).

With all that in mind, people have been asking me a lot lately why I'm still supportive of the bill. For me, it really cuts to a few things:

  1. The underlying structure of the bill -- subsidies, insurance exchanges, insurance market regulations, etc. -- are the right underlying reforms to make a public/private system work. They also may take us a bit closer to single-payer and certainly do not move us further away (e.g. single-payer supporters may not get what they want in this bill, but it does not foreclose victory down the road, which is important).
  2. There are some very smart political incentives built in. For example, members of Congress get thrown into the exchanges with a lot of the rest of us, helping guarantee that the incentive down the line is for them to maintain high quality and affordability (relatively speaking on the affordability, a lot of members of Congress happen to be very rich and all are higher income than the majority of Americans).
  3. The biggest point of all is that the Senate bill is extremely serious about costs over the long-term. What should worry just about everyone in the healthcare debate is how completely unsustainable the current system is. It isn't just that it is expensive or that administrative costs run too high. Those administrative costs don't even begin to explain the wild inflation that occurs in America's healthcare sector. You simply cannot have costs in 17% of your economy rise at rates 5-10% faster than the economy as a whole in perpetuity.

    My friend Jay Stevens wrote a while ago that his problem with the excise tax was that it penalized spending on healthcare and that we should be happy to encourage people to spend more on healthcare. If healthcare actually improved health, I'd be inclined to agree that it is worth subsidizing. But the correlations are relatively weak (and the odds that hospitalization can hurt or kill you are unfortunately high). Under these circumstances, reducing healthcare spending and allowing ourselves to spend more money on other things (perhaps sporting equipment or healthy local food, both of which can be expensive but would do more in general to improve health than more heart surgeons) would be a good thing.

    Does the Senate bill do this? We don't know. But it does everything it can to "bend the curve." Is that good for progressives? Depends on what you mean by progressive, but anyone concerned that health insurance is too expensive for low-income people and tthe middle class should hope that the low- and middle-income people of 20 years in the future have better choices. That requires bending the curve. And by all accounts, the Senate bill works harder to bend the curve than the House bill.

The Senate bill isn't just deficit neutral. Over the next twenty years, by CBO's (rough) estimates, it will reduce the deficit by three-quarters of a trillion dollars. That, as they say, is real money. It does that by long-term holding federal spending on healthcare steady even as massively expanding federal assistance to help low-income and middle-class Americans purchase insurance.

Even better news: CBO has at times been known for being woefully pessimistic. They overestimated the cost and underestimated the impact of tradeable permits for reducing SO2 pollution (which helped clean the air in my (and Dennis Rehberg's) hometown of Billings -- maybe "cap and trade" ain't such a bad idea, Mr. Rehberg). They overestimated the cost of Medicare's prescription drug benefit. And they routinely admit that they can't "score" the cost of key provisions of health care bills that may further reduce spending because these are experiments and folks like CBO approach experiments conservatively.

A couple months ago, a "meme" flew around Facebook as millions of social networkers changed their status to read "No one should die because they cannot afford health care, and no one should go broke because they get sick." Both the Senate and the House legislation accomplish these goals. If we want to establish additional corollaries, such as "No insurance executive should make money" or "No brain surgeon should make more than $250,000 per year," we could have done that. But those goals aren't really as important, either policy-wise or politically.

Soon, we'll pass a bill that should effectively end medical bankruptcy in America and guarantee baseline health care access for all citizens (too low a bar, I agree, for a variety of reasons). Over the long-term, this bill will likely ensure that we need not ever turn back on that promise and that we may even expand on it, just as we did over time with the promises of the civil rights acts and Social Security.

For me, that's a victory.

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Why will it end medical bankruptcy? If you buy a policy, a cheap one that only covers so much, (0.00 / 0)
then who is going to pay for what it doesn't cover? Wouldn't you have to declare bankruptcy?

Since 2/3 of current medical bankruptcies are by people who have insurance, and if you like what you have you can keep it, then how will that change things?

Thanks for the answer to this question. Being under insured isn't going to be against the law, and if you are under insured and your care cost more than your coverage, I think that the result will still be the same as it is now. Why do you think it will be different?

Are you claiming the bill outlaws medical bankruptcies, that anyone who's care exceeds their insurance and the assets will be bailed out by the government?

Is that what you are claiming?

I don't believe you are correct, Matt. I think medical bankruptcy might slow for a bit, (sometime around 2014 or 2015) but will then go back to even higher than it is now.

http://www.pnhp.org/news/2009/...

In Massachusetts, we have three years of experience with the kind of plan the House is now debating, and it's a sad experience. Reform hasn't made care affordable for the middle class, and it has decimated the safety net that the poor continue to rely on. In 2007, only 5.4 percent of Massachusetts were uninsured - the lowest in the nation. Yet, medical problems underlay 3 out of 5 bankruptcies - the same proportion as in the rest of the country.

Matt, I think you are pushing snake oil. You can say "bend the curve" all day long, but if you refuse to explain by what mechanism the curve will be bent, then you are just taklking BS.

How does this bill bring down the per captita cost of health care?


YUCK (0.00 / 0)
It is not a good bill...period. Spin all you want.

i know your heart is in the right place matt... (0.00 / 0)
but it does seem to me that you are reaching a little too much here. this bill does nothing to stop bankruptcy. it does provide a clause disallowing denials for pre-existing(we have yet to see how enforceable since the entire thing was written by an ex-insurance industry lobbyist who currently works as a member of max baucus's staff) but this section provides absolutely no protection whatsoever in regard to how much more the insurance weasels will charge us for the privelege of not being denied. there is no guarantee that coverage will even be affordable. in fact, there is every reason to believe that premiums will increase to even more unaffordable levels when most of our policies are being increased ahead of time by at least 33% in anticipation of this bill.

there is too little too late for me to support here. sorry.

i would prefer it died and let the anger of the american public grow until we can introduce a single-payer canadian style health care bill in 2012.

i am hoping the geniuses in the democratic party can figure out how to use a mirror in deflecting the anger of this failure where it belongs- at the republicans and the blue-dogs and the insurance industry itself who pushed this process away from what 70% of the american public really wants- single-payer. nothing else will do. passage of this bill would only hand more ammunition (money) to our enemies in the health insurance industry and further entrench their already massive power.  

two idiot montana senators woke me from my hibernation and i am furious...


Regarding the latest poll (0.00 / 0)
only 38% support "the plan."  http://www.rasmussenreports.co...

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Health Care Reform
Support for Health Care Plan Falls to New Low
Monday, November 23, 2009

Just 38% of voters now favor the health care plan proposed by President Obama and congressional Democrats. That's the lowest level of support measured for the plan in nearly two dozen tracking polls conducted since June.

The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 56% now oppose the plan.
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As to the costs of "the plan" David Broder presents a more realistic assessment:  http://www.chron.com/disp/stor...

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One of them speaks with special authority: David Walker, the former head of the Government Accountability Office - the auditing and investigative arm of Congress - told me in an interview on Wednesday that the lawmakers are "punting on the tough choices, rather than making sure they can deliver on the promises they're making..."

He proposes a four-part test of fiscal responsibility for any health reform plan: "First, the reform should pay for itself over 10 years. Second, it should not add to deficits beyond 10 years. Third, it should significantly reduce the tens of trillions of dollars in unfunded health care promises that we already have. Fourth, it should bend down - not up - the total health care cost curve as a percentage of GDP" (the gross domestic product).

An analysis by the Lewin Group shows that the Energy and Commerce Committee bill that was the basic blueprint for the House measure comes close to meeting the first of those tests and fails the other three, according to Walker, "by a wide margin."

A separate Lewin Group study of the Finance Committee bill from which Majority Leader Harry Reid is working on the Senate legislation shows it almost as much of a fiscal failure. It fails the fourth test, falls short on the third, and passes the first two only by assuming that future Congresses will force reductions in reimbursements to doctors and hospitals that past lawmakers have refused to impose.

Walker, a close observer and former employee of Congress, calls that assumption "totally unrealistic."
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We have a long way to go beyond the spin.


Craig, I'm going to start by debunking Lewin Group's (0.00 / 0)
analysis. They are owned by UnitedHealth, and as such are a disreputable source. 'Nuff said.

Secondly, of the 56% that Rasmussen says oppose the plan, how many of them do so because the plan isn't strong enough, and/or doesn't contain a single payer or strong PO? Without that part of the pie, assumptions about why people are opposed are worthless. If I were polled I'd say I was against it.

Thirdly, why haven't you conservatives applied the sort of litmus test for affordability, that Walker uses, on things like unfunded war, Medicare prescription subsidies for pHARMA, and tax breaks for the rich? Oh, and lest I forget, this is the David Walker that worked for and sat on the Board of Trustees at Arthur Andersen. Remember Arthur Andersen? Yeah, the accounting firm that worked for Enron, and was swept up in all those illegalities that cost them their accounting licenses. And he now runs the Peter G. Petersen Foundation, whose main goal is to work against Obama and dem's social and domestic agenda. I really trust David Walker. He's just another paid right-wing gun, albeit a rich one.

Fourthly, as to Broder, Harry Reid said it best when he responded to Sen. McConnell's quoting him on the Senate floor last saturday: "to focus on a man who has been retired for many years and writes a column once in a while is not where we should be."

And lastly, I'd have to agree with you on this one: "We have a long way to go beyond the spin."


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JC, you did no (0.00 / 0)
debunking as you did not speak to the analysis.  Don't confuse smear with substance.  Those that oppose this mess have various reasons.  The direction of opinion heading south was the point.  BTW, what makes you think I haven't applied affordability tests to other matters?  As to attacking the man, Broder, rather that respond to the substance of his argument, I guess someone's pockets are turned out and must change the subject to divert attention.  

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Craig (0.00 / 0)
You really do need to learn to blockquote.  This website even has a handy button for the purpose.  As it is, you're comments are almost an incomprehensible mishmash of your opinion and quotes from articles within quotes from articles.

Now, pointing to studious bias is not at all a "smear".  It's pointing out that the conclusions to such study are to be suspect.  You've commented enough about global warming that I certainly believe you know this to be true.  Since the Lewin Group study, which you did not present except through Broder's agenda, is at odds with the CBO report, (the CBO you yourself have hailed as non-partisan when it serves your purpose), I would say the Lewin study is extremely suspect, and fairly well debunked.

Second, the point isn't just which direction public opinion is heading; the point is very much why.  There is a goal professed here by the Congress and the President.  It is specious assumption in the extreme to posit that the goal is unworthy because a majority don't favor the plan for it to be accomplished.  That is what you did, Craig.

Third, the efficacy of Broder's argument is precisely based on the admittedly biased view of Walker, based on the Lewin group (see the first point).  Just as JC wrote, Broder adds nothing to the discussion.  Pointing that out isn't diverting attention or changing the subject.  It's pointing out the blatantly obvious.  


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Wulfgar, Thanks! (0.00 / 0)
I didn't know what the buttons did Does  using the actual commands for  
Bold, Italics, Quotes, work at other sites too?



[ Parent ]
Some (0.00 / 0)
Most sites accept the bold, italics and blockquotes.  But at most, you have to code them in.

And, you are welcome.


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Kill this abomination Kill this monster bill (0.00 / 0)

First Left in the West is NOT 'left' nor even Centrist it is Neo-Liberal DLC clap trap.
Here's just a few points that Singer is trying to sell you on. Singer = Baucus !
This Bill is a detriment to society and those pushing it should be considered criminals.
Answer the 6 questions herein.

Discrimination,Estate Recovery & Exploitation in National Mandated Health Insurance

Dear Representatives of the American people:
A.The national mandated health insurance bills currently on the table contain Medicaid with no other
choice of an affordable,comprehensive plan for citizens who are found to be Medicaid-eligible.
Therefore,these citizens will be required to either enroll in Medicaid or pay a costly penalty for
remaining uninsured,or they may be auto-enrolled against their will or without their knowledge.
Medicaid contains marked disparities among states,offers a quality of care which is found wanting and,
in general,represents inequities in health care. Of?ce-based doctors typically refuse to treat Medicaid
patients,thus,many citizens thrust into this plan will not only have dif?culty ?nding a primary-care
doctor,they will not have a choice of quali?ed doctors or be able to keep specialists who have been
treating them. For many millions,the care they receive will be based on where they live. It is unlikely
that the slight proposed increase in reimbursement rates for Medicaid will signi?cantly mitigate
these problems.
The following excerpt from Robert Pear's article (New York Times 1/28/09),"Relief Seen for Jobless
and States in Health Care Plan"highlights the hypocrisy of many on Capitol Hill regarding low-income
citizens:
"Representative Nathan Deal,Republican of Georgia,said the poorest of the poor had long
been subject to income and asset tests when applying for Medicaid.
But,Mr. Deal argued,under the new option,a millionaire could get Medicaid bene?ts,
?nanced entirely by the federal government,without being asked about such matters.
"The committee chairman,Representative Henry A. Waxman,Democrat of California,said,It's
highly unlikely that you are going to ?nd millionaires who would like to go on Medicaid."
There are also millions of low-income Americans who do not want to go on Medicaid.
No options for Medicaid-eligible citizens other than a costly tax penalty,purchasing coverage on tDiscrimination,Estate Recovery & Exploitation inNational Mandated Health Insurance  2of 3
open market or being auto-enrolled is not reasonable choice; it is blatant discrimination based on
economic status.
Whether enrollment takes place on a national or state-by-state basis,the nation's mandated health
insurance law will be biased against this segment of the population because other citizens may be able
to afford to stay out of Medicaid,thereby avoiding the caveats and disparities found in this health
insurance plan.
President Obama said all Americans would have choice.
QUESTIONS:
1.Are low-income citizens undeserving of choice?
2.Is the uniquely-American national mandated health insurance a class-based system?
3.Why should you,our public servants,enjoy Cadillac health insurance bene?ts subsidized by taxpayers
from all income brackets while the national mandated health insurance bills you have created deny
the same standard of bene?ts to the general public because coverage is based on ability to pay?
B.In order to include more low-income citizens,Medicaid was revamped by accepting childless adults,
increasing the age to 65,increasing income limitations and dropping the asset test.
As you know,the Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1993 (OBRA 1993) requires all states that
receive Medicaid funding to seek recovery from the estates of deceased Medicaid recipients who
were 55 or older when they received bene?ts. All states are required to seek recovery of payments for
home and community-based services as well as hospital and prescription drug services but may
recover up to the total amount spent on the individual's behalf for other medical services. Per CMS,
some states start at a lower age. Estate recovery is not limited to costs for nursing facilities and other
long-term care services.
Although estate recovery and property liens may not be referenced in the national mandated health
insurance bills or subsequent law,estate recovery and property liens can and will,nonetheless,affect a
large segment of the population as Medicaid and all expansions thereof are an integral part of national
mandated health insurance.
Thus,estate recovery and property liens constitute further discrimination against Medicaid-eligible
citizens under national mandated health insurance and may also include those who are dual-eligible
underMedicare or a Medicare buy-in.
The estate recovery program itself also discriminates by:1) age,2) against those who own real and
personal property and/or have other assets including but not limited to savings and annuities versus
those who do not,and 3) with regard to the variations allowed in implementation of federal recovery
options mandated by OBRA 1993 - whether a state utilizes the minimum or maximum requirements
stipulated by this federal statute or any other federal statute governing Medicaid.
OBRA 1993 contains procedural rules intended to ensure that individuals are informed about Medicaid
program requirements including disclosure of estate recovery before they complete the application
process as well as during annual redetermination.
Auto-enrollment or enrollment by phone as well as automatic annual redetermination as described
in the various national mandated health insurance bills does not allow an applicant to review any of
this information. Not allowing citizens to review the terms of the contract (plan) and subsequently
agreeing to these terms by signature could be considered a deceptive act or practice.
If the contract is available for review and a signature required,but an applicant is not satis?ed with tDiscrimination,Estate Recovery & Exploitation inNational Mandated Health Insurance  3of 3
terms of the contract,i.e. Medicaid requirements including estate recovery - lack of another health
insurance option that is in the best interest of low-income citizens represents undue and unconscionable
advantage being taken of this segment of the population and is exploitation.
President Obama said national mandated health insurance,not a mandated loan!
QUESTIONS:
4.Has the Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1993 or any other statute(s) governing Medicaid been
amended so that,immediately upon implementation of any part of national mandated health insurance
including any provisions made available while the Exchange is being created,states will no longer be
required to have an estate recovery program and will not be allowed to recoverestates or place liens
on property for any or all medical care and prescription coverage?
If so,kindly forward a copy of the amendment to the undersigned by overnight mail.
5.If there has been no amendment to date,why not?
6.Under the national health insurance mandate,will the health insurance policy you enjoy which is
subsidized by taxpayers,include an estate recovery program or property liens?                                


Neener neener (0.00 / 0)
Answer the 6 questions herein.

No.


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The sad part is ... (0.00 / 0)
It's going to be 2015 or 2016 until these guys realized how badly they got stuffed.

Till then, as now, they will be insufferable.  


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