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Rethinking "Rethink 08"

by: Jay Stevens

Mon Dec 07, 2009 at 12:05:56 PM MST


Don't know if any of y'all caught the "Rethink 08" discussion, but the one thing it did for me was to cause me to question the very premise of the whole project.

Again, the genesis of the project from the Indy report:

During a visit to the University of Montana Oct. 8, White House Deputy Chief of Staff Jim Messina spoke briefly about the political fire ignited among America's youth by President Barack Obama's 2008 campaign. Their passion, sparked by the unconventional tools of the digital age, helped sweep Obama into office.

But Messina's comments painted a discouraging picture for the future of that movement. He said voters ages 18 to 29 continue to rally around the issue of climate change, but the enthusiasm generated by the Obama camp has cooled over the last nine months....

In the wake of Messina's visit, Bloomsburg and seven other UM journalism students grew increasingly puzzled about the change of heart during the first months of Obama's presidency. They began asking young voters in Missoula a compelling question: If you could recast your 2008 presidential vote, would you?

Rethink 08 seems to be based on certain assumptions. First, that young voters are disproportionately unenthusiastic about the president - falling into the old meme that the young are unreliable - and that this un-enthusiasm would manifest itself into a turn to the right, that voters might have opted for the other guy if they had the information in 2008 they possess now.

Jay Stevens :: Rethinking "Rethink 08"
Let's start with some data. The Harvard Institute of Politics did a poll (pdf), and found that 58 percent of voters between 18 and 29 approve of President Obama's job performance, despite disagreeing with him on most major issues. The same report published the 2008 general election exit polls, and found that 66 percent of 18 to 29 year-olds voted for Obama, while 32 percent voted for McCain. The drop-off seems slight. That's confirmed by the latest Research 2000 poll, which shows 18 to 29 year olds with a 78/16 favorable/unfavorable rating of the president, compared to a 39/51 rating by 30 to 44 year olds.

(Incidentally, that same 30 to 44 year-old voting group went for Obama at a 52/46 clip according to the exit polls published in the Harvard Institute of Politics report. Which tells me that Rethink 08 is probably targeting the wrong demographic.)

So what's Messina talking about when he says that the "enthusiasm generated by the Obama camp has cooled over the last nine months..."? What's he looking at? Could it be "Organizing for America" - the "successor organization to Obama for America," which was supposed to revolutionize modern politics by channeling electoral enthusiasm and organization into a permanent grassroots campaign intended to support the president's agenda? While the group has influenced, say, the health care debate, you could hardly call it a trans formative effort. Not that anyone should be surprised: organizing around compromised, lukewarm, and dynamic legislation ain't much of draw, especially when you consider the group's biggest asset - the president - is absent from the campaign.  I don't mean to slam OFA; I just wonder if the expectations for its effectiveness were overstated by the administration.

And what about this "rethink" assumption? As if somehow young voters would have selected someone else in the voting booth, had they the chance to do it all over. Here's an interesting exchange from the discussion on that topic:

Rethink08: Clarification: The Rethink08 project is not placing judgment on any generation. We are merely investigating patterns of involvement with young people and politics.

Rethink08: To all of our panelists: Would young people have followed Obama as much if he was a Republican?

Jason Wiener: I'm detecting some skepticism about the basic project here in the comments. I think it is warranted. From what I know of rethink08, it starts from the premise that such-and-such a thing has happened, and I haven't seen that conclusion earned. A lot of the statements about young people seem to generalize about a class of people that isn't well-defined or described.

[Comment From ErinErin:] Yes, but it does seem like you are asking leading questions. Even the title is quite leading...

ctibor.jappel: I don't really think so - there were strong liberal generations that elected John F. Kennedy in the 60's. It would be rather interesting to see whether today's Obama supporters will turn into more conservative voters in the future - the fate of the current "democratic surge" will largely depend on that...

[Comment From Matt SingerMatt Singer:] What does it mean would people have followed Obama as much if he was a Republican? Do you mean if he had the exact same stances? Is there any chance that the Republican Party of the current era would nominate a liberal black man for the office of the President?

Bingo. If "Obama were a Republican"? But then he'd be saddled with all the open sores and political deformities of the Republican party, wouldn't he? While Democratic enthusiasm is dipping - more so among older voters - approval of the Republican party is dismally low, disapproval astonishingly high. Outside of a passionate group of talk-radio followers impervious to reason, there's not much support for Republicans. I suspect that the overwhelming majority of us, faced with the same choice now that we had in 08, would vote the same way, and with an even greater sense of urgency, given the direction and temperament of the Republican party since Inauguration Day.

Again, from the "Rethink 08" discussion:

Rethink08: Due to time constraints, our final question for all panelists is the following: If you could take back your 2008 vote, would you?

Jason Wiener: No....

Jeff: No, I think that I voted for the best person given the choices in 2008.

ctibor.jappel: I didn't vote in the 2008 presidential election (as a non-resident). But if I had voted, I would probably have voted for Obama. And I won't regret it now....

Whatever. The point here is that efforts by groups like "Rethink 08" do create memes that get carried into electoral politics in ways that matter. In this case, it's a meme with a strong draw: that young voters don't show up when you need them. In 2008, of course, that wasn't the case: young voters turned out in record-setting numbers. And the numbers don't bear out the premise of the project, either. Young voters are the president's biggest supporters still, and in numbers not much, if at all, lower than in 2008.

But if the young don't turn out in 2010 and vote, they might bear the blame for Democratic failures.

That's a shame for a couple of reasons. First, if they don't come out, it'll be part of a larger trend and the result of reforms that are too conservative and ineffective for most ardent Democrats. Second, if the meme takes hold, that could mean the issues of the young are put aside or ignored altogether. And then enthusiasm for politics would really drop for young voters.

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I don't think there'll be any change in voting habits, maybe just a return to 'normal' again.

If you put in your time down at the election office, going through the books, you'll see that very few young people bother to vote.

In my precinct, it's older, married couples who regularly report to the polls.


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Obama's Iowa caucus win created excitement for young (and lots of other self-described disenfranchised Americans) voters.  When they fought the Clinton (status quo) machine, and won, that excitement and accomplishment generated the momentum that carried Obama to victory in November.

After the election, the fight was gone from the Obama team, they hired back all the Clintons, and Bushes, and changed nothing, and now wonder what happened. Go figure.

Young voters seem motivated to fight for something real, not the same old rigged system that ignored them in the first place. If the President takes the fight to Wall Street, or the Pentagon, he might see those familiar young faces again. He'll need a ladder to climb out of the hole he's dug for himself.  Tester too.  First rule: Stop digging.


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...don't fit your narrative, Steve. Of all the Obama voters, the young still approve of his work by high margins. So...maybe this whole meme about the young not being enthusiastic about the president just isn't true...

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I think some pundits have referred to that as one of the greatest party reunifications in modern political history.

Of course, the rest of us call it the purging of the progressive left wing of the dem party.

I remember how the discussions went when Obama started rehiring all the Clintonites. It went something like this: "20 of the last 28 years the administration has been controlled by republicans. The only democrats experienced in the executive branch worked for Clinton. Therefore dems should expect that the lions share of political appointees would be Clintonites."

Obama's National Deputy Campaign Manager Steve Hildebrand sounded the warning to progressives a scant 5 weeks after the election:

"This is not a time for the left wing of our Party to draw conclusions about the Cabinet and White House appointments that President-Elect Obama is making. Some believe the appointments generally aren't progressive enough. Having worked with former Senator Obama for the last two years, I can tell you, that isn't the way he thinks and it's not likely the way he will lead. The problems I mentioned above and the many I didn't, suggest that our president surround himself with the most qualified people to address these challenges. After all, he was elected to be the president of all the people - not just those on the left."

I guess Obama just doesn't think that progressives are "qualified" enough to serve in his administration, or that their ideas meet the needs "of all the people". Either that, or he doesn't want to take the inevitable flak that would come from the center of his own party and republicans. In other words, he doesn't have what it takes to take heat in order to infuse his administration with new blood and new ideas. And as current appointees start dropping out of his admin, I'd look to even more centrist and stodgy Clintonites to take their place, instead of Obama looking outside the beltway for replacements.

And all that new blood that invigorated the Obama campaign has either been purged or moved on (David Plouffe, Samantha Powers, Van Jones). Anybody that dared to criticize a Clintonite appointee or policy was dead meat. And any semi-progressive appointee that Glenn Beck targets might as well just roll over dead, for all the protection that Obama is willing to give them.

Obama will only give us nominees that are centrist enough that the right won't howl and ruin his day. Sotomayor's nomination should have been a wakeup call to any who have any hopes for a move to the left in the Supreme Court. While republican presidents can get away with nominating hard right ideologues (Thomas, Alito, Scalia, Roberts), we're left with a president who thinks it's ok to pick a safe, centrist jurist for his first important nomination--one who was least likely to upset the right and get a tough confirmation battle.

Confronting the status quo just doesn't seem to be in Obama's blood. Sad, really... all that hope and change hyperbole gone to waste.

It's no wonder that OFA 2.0 isn't succeeding where OFA 1.0 did. I quit paying attention to their emails after about the umpteenth fund raising letter asking me to give money to help OFA fight for Obama's health care reform plan. "What reform plan is that?" I thought to myself. Obama had nebulosities, not specifics. The campaign is over, and if OFA continues to run on the idea that can raise money in the absence of solid policy ideas and a president with the guts to fight for them, well then, they'll just be another failed political startup. And OFA '12 will start off the next cycle at a huge disadvantage, having been unveiled as the hollow fund raising juggernaut that they were.


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Thanks for offering this level of discussion, everybody. Very interesting stuff.

If I may, I'd like to comment on the assumptions made by the students who initiated Rethink08. Initially, their interest was sparked by anecdotal evidence: fellow students seeming rather apathetic; no greater than average participation in campus rallies on climate change; absence of young Obama voters in media coverage of health care "town hall meetings." When Jim Messina walked into the picture, the project was well under way.

I'll be the first to admit that Rethink08 neglected, in the process, to marshal scientific evidence for the assumption that the majority of the young voters who seemed so fired up in 2008 seem to have retreated into their non-political shells. Then again, it's always hard to prove a negative. Plus, the Rethink08 group was less interested in gathering polls and studies. What they wanted first and foremost was to gather feedback from the young people themselves, in this case, mostly fellow students, but also others in Missoula.

They did this in pretty innovative ways. I know this might be tedious for word people, but if you look at the photographs on the Web site, the famous 'Interviews without Words', you get a quite startling array of expressions. Again, it's anecdotal evidence, but there is much that can be read into it -- from the majority of interviewees still supporting Obama (several of them supporting him MORE now than in Nov. 2008), to the faces and gestures of students who now seem disappointed -- I'm speculating here, but I would make the point that they represent the kids who got into Obama because he was hot, and now they are wavering. In my opinion, these voters are the ones left without venues to keep engaging, OFA being a party effort. Not sure that they'll vote again in 2012, or vote Obama in 2012.


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