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Say "no" to the health care excise tax

by: Jay Stevens

Tue Dec 29, 2009 at 13:40:25 PM MST


I read Bob Herbert's column in the NYTimes this morning and thought to myself that it made an excellent opportunity to talk about taxing "Cadillac" health insurance benefits, something I've written in opposition already. But as soon as I poked around the 'Tubes a little, I saw the column had already received plenty of attention. Glenn Greenwald, for example, cites the column as proof there are real reasons to oppose the bill.

Still, in the commentary I've read about the bill, I think most miss the central, and seriously flawed, premise of the tax, something that Herbert only touches on.

Herbert's against the tax because, as health care costs continue to rise (especially without any discernible cost controls present in the health care legislation), more and more health care policies will become taxable:

The tax would kick in on plans exceeding $23,000 annually for family coverage and $8,500 for individuals, starting in 2013. In the first year it would affect relatively few people in the middle class. But because of the steadily rising costs of health care in the U.S., more and more plans would reach the taxation threshold each year.

Within three years of its implementation, according to the Congressional Budget Office, the tax would apply to nearly 20 percent of all workers with employer-provided health coverage in the country, affecting some 31 million people. Within six years, according to Congress's Joint Committee on Taxation, the tax would reach a fifth of all households earning between $50,000 and $75,000 annually. Those families can hardly be considered very wealthy.

But, as Herbert notes, and as we say in the software biz, that's not bug, it's a feature.

Let tax proponent Jonathan Gruber explain:

The Senate assessment on high-cost insurance plans has much to recommend it, which is why it is almost universally favored by health policy experts. It would reduce the incentives for employers to provide excessively generous insurance, leading to more cost-conscious use of health care and, ultimately, lower spending. In other words, it "bends the curve."
Jay Stevens :: Say "no" to the health care excise tax
That is, as consumers are forced into plans that have more out-of-pocket expenses, they'll consume health care more wisely, they'll ask for less frivolous treatment, and costs will come down. This is the "moral hazard" approach to health care - essentially, if consumers knew and bore more costs, they'll use less health care.

In practice, of course, high deductibles and large out-of-pocket costs don't have that effect. In fact, they have the opposite effect. Fear of out-of-pocket expenses keeps consumers away from doctors until they develop serious medical conditions, which are costly to treat. That is, applying "moral hazard" to insurance plans actually drives costs up, not down. We know this because private insurers applied this line of reasoning into their policies for years now, and it hasn't worked.

Which makes sense if you think about it for, oh, two seconds. For one, people don't like going to the doctor. (That's one of the reasons married men have a longer life expectancy; they have someone to badger them to visit the doctor regularly.) Consumers don't need a disincentive to visit a health care provider.  

For another, prices and coverage are never mentioned during a doctor's visit. You usually find out your insurer doesn't cover a procedure days or weeks after the procedure, when the bill comes. Even if doctors were inclined to consider price during patient consultation, in too many areas the pricing structures are a crazy-quilt patchwork of pricing plans, making it nearly impossible for doctors to lay out the costs and alternatives to patients. So consumers don't have access to pricing information that would allow them to be the health-care version of the frugal shopper.

And, lastly, who considers cost when it comes to health? When a doctor recommends a treatment, who's going to oppose the doctor?

If anything, we should be encouraging consumers to have "Cadillac" insurance plans. It gives consumers the right incentives, to seek early treatment for injuries or illnesses during the early, affordable stages, and they pay more into the system, so there's a larger pool of money to cover the sick and ill.  

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There nothing good about this plan (0.00 / 0)
unless you're a health insurance executive...forced mandates, government subsidies, taxes on employer provided health care...

Here's the thing, as Herbert pointed out, as your premium goes up and your policy is taxed, your employer begins to look at cheaper policies with less coverage, larger deductibles, more out of pocket costs etc...but, the tax is only part of the revenue issue here (about $50 billion from the tax)...remember they are talking about $150 billion in revenue...the theory is your employer will take the savings from those cheaper policies and give it back to you in the form of higher wages..thus generating greater revenue as your wages increase.

If you think that is going to happen I have a bridge I'd like to sell you...


I'm not good at fancy formatting, but (0.00 / 0)
this is the KEY ISSUE in Herbert's NY Times piece..

"If even the plan's proponents do not expect policyholders to pay the tax, how will it raise $150 billion in a decade? Great question.

We all remember learning in school about the suspension of disbelief. This part of the Senate's health benefits taxation scheme requires a monumental suspension of disbelief. According to the Joint Committee on Taxation, less than 18 percent of the revenue will come from the tax itself. The rest of the $150 billion, more than 82 percent of it, will come from the income taxes paid by workers who have been given pay raises by employers who will have voluntarily handed over the money they saved by offering their employees less valuable health insurance plans."

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12...


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We have no bill (0.00 / 0)
Nothing has been passed...and certainly nothing has been signed into law...so I'm not sure why you think the "ship has sailed" on health care reform.

The Republicans sure were a lot of help, but heck why should they do any heavy lifting when the Democrats were more than willing to give private insurers and health care providers nearly everything they wanted?  


this thing is going to unravel (0.00 / 0)
just like the cheap christmas sweater from k-mart that it is.
pelosi and reid can't hold it together anymore....

congress is at home getting the local pulse from their constituents....and the 2010 elections are right around the corner with eroding support from progressives. need i say more?


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Unravel, it likely will. (0.00 / 0)
It already has in the court of public opinion.  But those aren't the stiffest challenges the Senate bill will face.  Legal challenges will follow, as well as legislative ones.  As I've indicated before, I think that the political damage is already done.  Influential progressives are already threatening a sit-out, and not focusing on primary challengers to those who foiled any change at all.  So, the challenges will go on, until we hand the reigns of government back to the Republicants. And then it will truly be a done deal and we just won't have to worry about it.  No reform for you.  Not yours!

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not necessarily wulfgar. reelecting cowards who lack the courage to enact real reforms (0.00 / 0)
just gets those of us in the middle class a future of a slow burning hell on a rotisserie. if the antics of bush are not enough to spur real change, it is difficult to imagine anything wretched enough to put this country back on the right track again. people are extremely frustrated with all this cowardice.

now is an excellent opportunity for progressives to push for independent candidates. i don't think republicants appeal to very many people, but if we don't offer an alternative many otherwise intelligent people will slip away and provide cover for them by not voting.  


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I guess (0.00 / 0)
My imagination is pretty large.  I can imagine much much worse than Bush, or the cowards who claim 'Democrat'.

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people always feel things before they talk about them... (0.00 / 0)
and everyone can feel a real severe depression looming soon. if we don't provide independent candidates in the next election to give people a real choice, you are right wulfgar, insanity will inevitably result and panic will lead the startled sheep right into a very very right wing corral.

i see independent candidates who are willing to work for reforms as the only alternative at this point. as slim a chance as this tactic is - i see little if any chance to avoid this stupidity. the democrats we voted for and worked for have allowed cowardice to dominate their politics. no one respects them anymore, and as the economy continues to slide (pay no attention to the propoganda that the recession is easing) there is ample evidence that the very fabric of america's economy is beginning to unravel. the wealthy are hiding their money. that should send people a warning just as real and pressing as a tidal wave siren.

small businesses everywhere are silently screaming...the water is sucking back into the bay. if you can reach high ground i would suggest ignoring the flimsy facade of wall street's optimistic mouthpieces and get above the high water line fast.  


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The process of governing, (0.00 / 0)
as it exists now, is fatally flawed...too bad we don't have proportional form of government...  

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Oh boy (0.00 / 0)
The US already has double the health care costs of almost all Western countries and you want everyone to have MORE expensive plans? We are truly doomed.

Awfully loose with the second person voice, aren't you? n/t (0.00 / 0)


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Stratergy (0.00 / 0)
By the time the un-workability of the whole scam becomes apparent the riots caused by global warming will have diverted every ones attention!
You have to think like a politician.

Now Jay, (0.00 / 0)
Surely you understand that our betters have decreed that if you don't like something in the bill, then you must dislike it all, and root for it's abject failure?  And haven't you gotten the message that you are not allowed to consider these things or change your mind about any of it?  After all, it's about either the "moral hazard" or the "bottom line".  One as silly as you certainly couldn't see that it might be about both.  Your betters have told you so.  Don't bother wondering about the doing of the right thing, because it's all a done deal, and effort or concern is wasted on the part of one so lowly and yet culpable as you.  You've been defeated before you ever start because it's YOUR BILL!  YOURS!

For shame you should be so responsible for something you clearly don't understand.  


thanks for the laugh.... (0.00 / 0)
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