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Jihad Jane and racial profiling

by: Jay Stevens

Thu Mar 11, 2010 at 10:20:39 AM MST


The terrorist attacks on 9/11 were terrible on so many levels. From the first, numbing shock of seeing bodies falling from the burning towers on live television, to the wicked exploitation of the event by conservatives for political gain, the events surrounding 9/11 for me are inextricably entwined with anger and disgust.

One of the cruder side effects was a new outpouring of racism. Chatter about how terror was unique or somehow integral to Islam - and, specifically, the brown-skinned version -- lightly categorized as a horde on the brink of overrunning the United States. Happily for many righties that vision of an endangered Anglo-Saxon empire dovetailed nicely with rhetoric on immigration, then neatly transformed into the hysteria surrounding Barack Obama's birth certificate and secret, "socialist" agenda.

One of the outputs of all this talk was a call to racial profiling, kicked off by New York's resident whack job, Peter King, back in 2006:

Declaring that airport screeners shouldn't be hampered by "political correctness," House Homeland Security Chairman Peter King has endorsed requiring people of "Middle Eastern and South Asian" descent to undergo additional security checks because of their ethnicity and religion.

The Missoulian jumped right in, supporting the idea (the editorial, alas, has been scrubbed from the newspaper's digital memory):

Of course, many screening measures are intended to dance around an uncomfortable reality. The primary terrorist threat comes not from the general public. Our society's sensibilities and laws, however, don't permit us to focus on that specific subpopulation because it would seem discriminatory. Instead, we screen everybody, conduct random searches and, soon perhaps, even employ high-tech machines trying to divine their hidden intentions. The broad-brush approach makes it less likely to detect a terrorist, not more.

The problem we have is that we are unwilling as a society to acknowledge that we are at war with people who are more homogenous than the general U.S. population. Because of this, using a person's ethnic heritage as one of many factors to decide if a person should be inconvenienced a little more than the 80-year-old grandmother isn't discrimination. It is affirmative action....

But...racial profiling actually makes us less safe...

Two words: Jihad Jane.

As Spencer Ackerman notes, racial profiling is "a move that would not have caught shoebomber Richard Reid (British citizen, Jamaican heritage); would-be-underpants bomber Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab at the time (Nigerian citizen, lots of time spent in the U.K.; and now Jihad Jane (American citizen, white as the driven snow, and we know white people can't be terrorists)."

But then, racial profiling isn't about making us safer. It's about making us feel safer.

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Is that why FDR (0.00 / 0)
issued Executive Order 9066?

??? (0.00 / 0)
Is what why FDR issued 9066?  Racial profiling?  Making us feel safer?  Did he sign it so that the military could legally build POW camps here, which they did?  Did he sign it because he was a Democrat, and hence a very bad man?  Does the question even apply since Gerald Ford rescinded the order in 1976, or is it a giant non-sequiter?  To say that your question lacks focus, Craig, would be generous.


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Wulfgar, (0.00 / 0)
just trying to understand what Jay means by "righties."  Remember Earl Warren, a hero to the Left?  Here's what he said:  http://www.ikjeld.com/japannew...

"We believe that [when] we are dealing with the Caucasian race we have methods that will test the loyalty of them, and we believe that we can, in dealing with the Germans and Italians, arrive at some fairly sound conclusions because of our knowledge of the way they live in the community and have lived for many years. But when we deal with the Japanese we are in an entirely different field and we cannot form any opinion that we believe to be sound."

How many of Washinton's lefty elite don't "profile" in selecting the right private schools to send their children?


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It's not that hard to understand, (0.00 / 0)
That is unless you read something other what Jay wrote:

One of the cruder side effects was a new outpouring of racism.

Notice please, there was no denial of the racism inherent in profiling from the past.

Happily for many righties that vision of an endangered Anglo-Saxon empire dovetailed nicely with rhetoric on immigration, then neatly transformed into the hysteria surrounding Barack Obama's birth certificate and secret, "socialist" agenda.

Would you kindly show me how Jay is absolving any misdeeds of the past with his rather accurate description of current events?  Perhaps you can show us the lefties who embrace such a vision and have joined the birthers.

I understand the knee-jerk when reading righties are all bad; it would just be better to do it when that's actually what was written.


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So you (0.00 / 0)
approve of cherry picking and ring fencing to scope the finger point?  Again, what about Washinton's lefty elite who "profile," like the Clinton's did with Chelsea, in selecting the right private schools to send their children?

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No Craig. (0.00 / 0)
Calling out your over-reaction is not evidence of anything I think, favor or believe.

And while we're out with it, the Clinton's "profiling" of Chelsea's school has never been anything more than a 'righty' talking point, meant to show that Democrats are elitists and the "real racists".  Trust me, Craig, 'cause I'm trying to help you out here, that ship has sailed.  Let it go.


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And your point is? (0.00 / 0)
Look, lots of mistake are made when people are marketing fear, whether it be Rehberg, King, the Missoulian, or FDR.

Some of the worst acts of terrorism perpetrated on American soil have come from people that do not "look like a Muslim".

Is the right wingnut blogasphear still all tweek out of shape cus' Homeland Security issued a warning about home grown right wing terrorist? How many more white, American, terrorist have to fly their plane into an IRS building or have a shoot out at the Pentagon before the right wing nuts come around?


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Being "Correct" (0.00 / 0)
We are at war with a barely united enemy.  They don't have a country, they don't have a uniform and frankly they don't even have a united leader.  But what if there was one thing, that 100% of the time was correct?  

Since Muslims took down Pan Am Flight 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland, in 1988, every attack on a commercial airliner has been committed by foreign-born Muslim men with the same hair color, eye color and skin color. Half of them have been named Mohammed.

Reid would have been caught under these guidelines.  Christmas eve bomber would have been caught because: he fit the profile.  Where he was born to his eye color.  100% fit this.  

I'm not saying to just scan people that fit this 100% profile.  But, it is the one thing that has stay consistent for over 20 years.  20 years and the profile still fits!

If our current security procedures can't stop people like Reid and Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, can't we just dispense with those procedures altogether? What's the point exactly?  Our current measures are the ones that make us feel safer, profiling would ACTUALLY make us safer.  

Maybe Delta should announce: "Should a passenger sitting near you attempt to detonate an explosive device, you may be called upon to render emergency assistance. Would you be willing to do so under those circumstances? If not we will assign you another seat ..."  Because, instead of profiling, our airline safety has resorted to the people sitting next to them to stop these nutbags.  Yes, it has a 2 for 2 success rate so far.  But it will it have a 100 for 100?


Just curious, Widowmaker (0.00 / 0)
They don't have a country,

If they don't have a country, why did you support the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq?

And for the record, your logic is flawed.  Every ground based attack against a Federal building in the US (either through the use of anthrax or a big ass bomb) has been perpetrated by white men.  100%  Wouldn't we be safer if white men had to have a background check before renting a Rider truck, or working around dangerous biological agents?

Simply put, if we react with profiling don't you think the enemy will react with a counter-measure, say recruiting white men?  Not that any white man would ever join with al Queda ...

Or we could simply over react and not let Muslims fly to this country, regardless of skin color.  But that's silly, huh?  Cat Stevens who?


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Did you forget (0.00 / 0)
about the plane flown into the Pentagon?????  

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Do you need to have your glasses checked? (0.00 / 0)
To make the very point about inductive reasoning, I very specifically wrote:

Every ground based attack against a Federal building in the US


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Ground base huh? (0.00 / 0)
I took that to mean that the WTC buildings were ground based. BTW, airplanes are ground based.  Now to use your narrow approach the first attack on the WTC site occurred in the parking garage.  6 people killed. Remember?  http://www.fbi.gov/page2/feb08...

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Don't be obtuse Craig. (0.00 / 0)
It's seriously beneath you.

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Oh, and the terrorist (0.00 / 0)
was tried in a civilian court, and is held in a federal prison in America...

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WTC 93' (0.00 / 0)
World Trade Center 1993- Ground based, and with a big ol bomb.

Ramzi Yousef, Mahmud Abouhalima, Mohammad Salameh, Nidal Ayyad, Abdul Rahman Yasin and Ahmad Ajaj. With financing from Khaled Shaikh Mohammed,

So... not 100%  Any further arguments I can disprove in 30 seconds?


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Pay attention, Widowmaker. (0.00 / 0)
The WTC One was not a federal building, now was it?  Any other responses I can laugh at in 30 seconds?

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How many terror attacks have happened in Montana? (0.00 / 0)
To apple carts on a Sunday afternoon, after 1 pm, before 2:30?  Wait, or were you cherry picking McVeigh in vain and hugely lame attempt to try and prove a worthless point.  In the past 20 years, two bombs have been used in acknowledged terror attacks.  WTC and Oklahoma City.  Join this adult convo wulfgar, and stop trying to hand pick worthless and frankly a pathetic attempt at an argument.  This isn't about attacks by bombs to buildings (though if you want its one white guy and 7 muslims...).  So, you still argued for my point.  So...thanks?  I was arguing the pure, 100% argument for TSA and airplanes.

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You really don't get it. (0.00 / 0)
Inductive reasoning leads to bad conclusions.  Assuming the tactics of your enemy leads to more danger.  You're being played into fear, by the very people who have told you that that is their intent.  And still you cower.

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Being prepared does not equal fear (0.00 / 0)
Just because I want to be prepared does not mean I fear them.  I am prepared to protect myself against random crime by carrying a concealed pistol.  I do not fear crime.  I am observant and prepared.  People equate not becoming a victim to being afraid.  Liberals would rather have us as victims than prepared, aware and confident.  I actually pity a criminal that brings a knife to a gunfight.  Not afraid; confident.

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what about... (0.00 / 0)
...the dude who flew the plane into the IRS building?

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As for profiling white guys (0.00 / 0)
If for the next 20 years, every terror attack that happens to commercial jets happen by white guys, with blond hair and blue eyes, I'll start to profile in 2032.  Otherwise, because 100% of all commercial terrorism to the United States since 1988 has been by an exact profile, I'm going to vote what works.

The terrorists don't come from one country wulfgar, unlike a traditional war, say against Germany in WWII.  They wore uniforms, had a country, etc.  They were identifiable.  So are modern terrorists, and there is a 100% air profile.  Its not a country; but there is a religion, eye color, skin color and foreign born.  I'm going by what fits a 100% profile for over 2 decades, and not some misguided sense of justice.  I hold lives more dear than hurt feelings any day.

Your Afgan/Iraq comment is misguided and not par for this convo.  I'm talking about terrorism to commercial jets, if you want to talk about training, funding and organizing large amounts of people that is Afgan.  If you want to talk about scuds and genocide that Iraq.  But, that is apples and...lettuce.   Not even close enough to compare two fruits.  I'm merely talking about a profile that has worked for 2 decades but people are too chicken/proud/ignorant/pc to acknowledge the pure facts.


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Okay (0.00 / 0)
if you want to talk about training, funding and organizing large amounts of people that is Afgan.

So the terrorists did have a country.

If you want to talk about scuds and genocide that Iraq.

And that has jack-all to do with terrorism.  Nothing, notta, zip.  But you supported invading anyway.  Curious.

Then let me ask you this, Widowmaker.  If you could have your safer world, exactly how would you implement it?  Strip searches for foreign born Muslim men, or just foreign born black Muslim men?  How 'bout the womens?  Should we strip search them (and expose them to honor killings because a man who was not their husband saw them naked)?  Maybe the baies too.  A diaper could be a WMD, ya' know.  I'm deadly serious, WM.  What exactly do you propose, and what exactly do you think we can gain by it?


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That I can reply (0.00 / 0)
Not strip searches, nothing like that.  Pay attention to their activity before hand (no luggage, cash, one way, etc.)  So vet them better.  Still have security in place for the McVeighs of the world.  One of the first bombings to happen in NYC was by a Latin American gang.  So, obviously more to worry about.  However, place the people that fit the profile under higher scrutiny.  Better background checks can be done when purchasing tickets.  I think air security is getting close to a moot point honestly because its like the game you play with a child; "watch this hand" and tickle their bellies with the other.  I was pointing out though, that a profile can be made, and doing more and better checks on people that follow that.  I pointed out a profile, which you didn't follow.  MEN that fit every criteria of religion, eye color, hair color, etc.  Not just one; all.  YOU added babies.  YOU added women.  You added a lot to something I never said.  YOU want to discuss Iraq in a discussion on the behavior, religion, and profile of airplane bombers.  I am wanting to discuss that even though 100% of all airplane terrorists since 1988 fit an exact profile, people deny the profile.  Even though it is a fact.

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Hemm (0.00 / 0)
YOU added babies.  YOU added women.

And that's the problem with your thesis, Widowmaker.  I didn't add them.  The terrorists did.


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So you would have no problem being asked your religious preference before getting on a plane? (0.00 / 0)
Remind me again how the Under Pants bomber looked different than Derek Jeter or Tiger Woods, or the Gov. of NY?

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But BUT ... (0.00 / 0)
He was a black MOOSLIM!!!!!eleventyone!

So I guess Mohammed Ali ought to watch his dangerous ass, shouldn't he?

Remember all the righty bullshit about Abdulmutallab having a one-way ticket?  Remember the chuckles?  Yeah, good times ...


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Still can't argue the facts though Wulfgar? (0.00 / 0)
Since 1988 we can profile but it may hurt a few peoples feelings.  Boo hoo.  You know what, the current system is invasive and doesn't work.  That hurts feelings too.  When the Broncos play the Jets they can go by Jersey's.  We have a profile that is as good as a Jersey.

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~sigh~ (0.00 / 0)
Until they change the profile, yet again.

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I am beginning to (0.00 / 0)
feel like the AFLAC duck walking out of the barbershop. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

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Widowmaker (0.00 / 0)
These are the facts, as Craig presented them.  In 1942, we "profiled" people, and they ended in interment camps.  Hurt people's feelings? Are you dense or just really thick?  

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And by the way, (0.00 / 0)
You may inadvertently have a point, Craig.

Please notice that all the liberals who give me shit for being an evil "Democrat" are as silent as church-mice in this comment thread.  One does wonder about their values ...

(bigsage, no offense meant, at all.)


You sit tall (0.00 / 0)
in the saddle compared to many. First, doing right by your mother.  Then Teddy.  Happy trails.

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By the way (0.00 / 0)
I'm not into profiling.  A year ago I was driving along this street where the snow was about a foot deep and the weather was fierce. Walking on the edge was this elderly Afghani gentlemen struggling through the snow. He was wearing a traditional hat and beard. I pulled up to him, rolled down the window, caught his attention and offered to take him wherever he needed to go.  He said he was just out for a walk. He looked to be in his 80's. I told him I was worried for his safety and urged him to allow me to help.  He said that was not necessary. He was smiling all the time.  Then, he said, "May God bless you for your kindness."  I responded, "May God bless us all." I continue to see him from time to time and we wave.  

Again, I don't like profiling.  I'm all for the naked scanners to eliminate all doubt without the overlay of suspicion.


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jihad.. (0.00 / 0)
there is only one thing I know.

Jihad isn't good especially when the motive isn't.
I mean why?!! why?...


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