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Health Reform Enters Final Stretch, Good Impacts for Montana

by: Matt Singer

Mon Mar 15, 2010 at 09:43:35 AM MST


Finally.

Health care reform is entering the final stretch in Congress. All sorts of stories will be written in the next few days, but the bottom line is that the Congress is about to pass the most significant economic justice legislation in 40 years and the most fundamental rewrite of our social contract since the New Deal and Social Security.

Like Social Security, Medicare, and, well, everything, this bill is a process, not an end-point. But the expansions of Medicaid, the creation of health insurance exchanges paired with meaningful regulation to make insurance function more like a regulated utility than the ferocious beast it has become, and the subsidies to make insurance affordable are all huge immediate gains for low- and middle-income Americans.

Combine all of those moves with the strong attempts to control costs -- bundling of prices, comparative effectiveness research, etc. -- and we've got something that just may keep people insured for the long term while also being the single biggest piece of deficit reduction legislation passed in the history of this country.

Damn. I know there are a lot of complaints out there, but we stand at a major turning point of American history. The future will build upon this point in a few ways:

  • Creation of a public option. Count me skeptical that we'll get it in this bill. But the public option is an easier thing to pass in the future than the framework in which it would live and, over the long-term, it is important, but nearly as important as the insurance market regulations and subsidies that will make insurance fair and affordable. We can get back to this and probably in better form than the compromised version we'd get today.
  • State experimentation. One of the amendments that both Ron Wyden and Bernie Sanders helped insert allows states to take the revenue streams under the bill and implement alternate models of reform, so, yes, California, New York, or even Montana could pass, for example, a single-payer plan and use the federal funds to make it happen.
  • Implementation of further cost control. This last piece will be the hardest, but it may prove the best. Focusing especially on bundling and comparative effectiveness research, which both create the opportunity to cut costs while increasing quality, we may be able to significantly restrain health care spending while improving health outcomes.
The wonderful people at Families USA, a progressive outfit that has been working on health reform for something like 25 years, put out a report on the effect of health reform on Montana. Over 100,000 Montanans will get insurance. Pre-existing condition discrimination will be a thing of the past.
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I'm not going to comment on the particulars of this bill yet (0.00 / 0)
as I'm still not convinced it's going to pass, or if a reconciliation sidecar is going to improve it. But we can talk process.

What I do know, is that according to the survey taken here at LitW, as shown by the poll in the sidebar, is that 86 out of 96 votes do not support current legislation. And that only 10/96 support this bill. So there's going to be plenty of blow back, and little support for this bill.

Now we could split some hairs and say the current Senate bill isn't the Baucus bill, but that doesn't wash, as the current bill doesn't deviate substantially from Baucus' framework and Finance Committee bill. And a reconciliation sidecar will do little to change that.

Nothing any of us do or say here is of any consequence any more with this legislation. Do or die, it's a done deal. The pre-compromises and work of the HCAN folks succeeded from heading off any meaningful counterpoints from single payer advocates to, at a minimum, include a public option.

Once the final bill--if it does make it to Obama's desk--and the reconciliation sidecar are finalized, we can take a look at the winners and losers, and analyze policy as it will be implemented.

Matt can gush about those who may benefit. I will look at those who have been left out, and what the system ignores. This "half-full/half-empty" view of reform is necessary, as once the back-slapping and pandering is over, America will still be left with the same number (or increasing) of uninsured over the next 4 years till implementation begins to kick in.

At 45,000 deaths/year currently occurring for the uninsured, that's close to 200,000 people who will die because of lack of access to, or the unaffordability of insurance. There were provisions to deal with this, but have been stripped--Medicare buy-in for those 55 and older, immediate Medicaid provision implementation, etc. Where's the political will to bring them back.

And after this bill fully kicks in, there will still be 20 million people uninsured. That 45,000 deaths/year will drop to maybe 20,000 unneeded deaths/year. And I may be one of those. So why should I be all rah-rah-rah about a bill that may be meaningless to me? You want to talk death panels, well the committees/leadership that stripped out these immediate provisions signed a death certificate for hundreds of thousands. Who's speaking up for those people right now? Well, Alan Grayson, for one.

So given all of the political capital and money spent on this push, where will the political will, money and public pressure come to provide true universal health care reform? How will the broken promises of the Obama administration and the ugly process that tore him away from his progressive base affect his agenda? Is the progressive left base now permanently alienated from the likes of HCAN and other moderate/centrist compromisers?

While some may herald this as a progressive move, and indeed some aspects are, many of the rest of us weigh the regressive elements (mandate without public option, IRS involvement, cadillac tax, legal alien exclusion, etc.) and see a new system that creates many more problems that will become entrenched and immutable policy.

This bill is a commitment to a direction in health reform that isn't really supported wholeheartedly by the left and progressives. And likely nothing will change for another generation or two, in any meaningful way.

Those who say we can clean up the problems of this bill, and enact a public option, post facto ie., are smoking dope here. It is they who are pouring the cement that will hold their feet in place for another generation of politics.

What's my solution to this mess we've gotten ourselves into? Take the state provision to go our own way, and devise a system modeled on Canada's Medicare system. Maybe that's a future job for Schweitzer, who seems to prefer that system over our current one, and this bill's provisions.


Don't agree (0.00 / 0)
This bill is a commitment to a direction in health reform that isn't really supported wholeheartedly by the left and progressives. And likely nothing will change for another generation or two, in any meaningful way.

I agree in parts with the first sentence, but the second is completely unsupported in anyway. And I do notice that most of those who support killing this bill fall back on the argument that "likely nothing will change for another generation or two".  So I must ask, what's changed in the last generation of status quo, which is precisely what we have if this bill fails?  


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Well, sure (0.00 / 0)
that second sentence is speculative and opinion. Which you're free to disagree with. I said I was going to talk process. What I refer to as meaningful would be a structural change in the way we either insure, or offer a single player system.

I believe that this bill will solidify the direction that reform is headed. And that little to nothing will be done to change the direction. That is my opinion, and only time will prove that out or not.

The only exception is the provision allowing states to try and do better. Which is where I think my energy, and other progressive's energy is best spent going forward. I'd rather spend my time, money and energy getting the state of Montana (or California with its already well-developed single payer initiative) to develop a true universal health care system, instead of fighting a national political/lobbying system that is corrupt. Not that corruption doesn't exist, or won't manifest at the state level to defeat a more progressive system. But at least we could run a Citizen's Initiative here in Montana to further the public's interest.

I suspect that once the champagne gets stale over the celebration, that the same coalition of people supporting single payer will retreat from the national battles and go to work at the state level to produce the reform they want. Again, my opinion.


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Good impacts for Montana???? (0.00 / 0)
Last I read, Obama and co. asked that the Libby asbestos inclusion under Medicaid to be taken out.  http://blogs.abcnews.com/polit...

Gibbs:

"...there are additional things like maybe Montana and Connecticut that we've asked the Senate to take out."

If true, how is that good for Montana?


You've played chess, right? (0.00 / 0)
I'm not attributing a moral value to this decision, so don't expect me to.  But if one can sacrifice to get to the King, even sacrificing the Queen, then the game can still be won.  It is a gentle form of concern trolling to hold that the perfect must be the enemy of the good.  (And don't fuss with me about my lack of concern for Libby.  That would be, unwise.)

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Is that like (0.00 / 0)
strip poker?

It is highly misleading and deceptive for Matt to leave out the loss of the Libby Medicaid coverage and claim "good impacts for Montana."  I think he loses his shorts over that bid.


[ Parent ]
And Wulfgar (0.00 / 0)
I do understand your point and I know you meant no insult.  However, I don't think Libby people would appreciate the analogy of being considered chess pieces to be sacrificed without their knowledge and permission.  They have suffered enough. Again, I know you meant no insult.

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Good impacts (0.00 / 0)
For a spot in Montana simply will never equal good impacts for the whole.  Just sayin' ...

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Fortuneately (0.00 / 0)
there still may be hope that their coverage stays in.  I don't think anyone knows yet.  I don't want this bill...however if it goes through I want something good to come of it for those folks.  I do highly object to Matt's diary title without consider those people and telling the full story. Enough said.  

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Where were you when Racicot and Martz (0.00 / 0)
were ignoring the residents of Libby?

How about all of the other people who have been abused at the hands of corporate interests? Care about them?

I want justice for the folks of Libby as much as anybody. But your objections to Matt's diary title are just crocodile tears.


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JC (0.00 / 0)
You can always be counted upon to interject senseless nonsense.  As I said, you are quite the asshat.  Ask the residents of Libby if they share your thoughts of losing 300 million in Medicaid benefits as just crocodile tears.

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have to agree with JC... (0.00 / 0)
I mean, I've written tons about Libby. Never saw you in here railing against Burns, Racicot or Martz for their inaction. Baucus did, at least, listen to and respond to Libby's concerns...that this was cut from the bill stinks.

Hey, better idea? Why don't you ask Rehberg to working on outlawing asbestos so we don't have anymore Libbys?


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Jay, back (0.00 / 0)
then I didn't participate on any blogs. So I doubt you would have seen any of my paper commentary by written letter on any subject.

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Fuzzy math (0.00 / 0)
If you went to a car dealership and the salesman pitched to you that their cars were 3000% cheaper than the other guy, would you have faith in that claim and buy your car there?

Now, switch to health care.  The other day Obama said,

"Your Employer Would See Premiums Fall By As Much As 3000 Percent".

If you wouldn't buy a car with such a sales pitch, why would you trust your health care when sold that way?


At least people know (0.00 / 0)
that it was a slip of tongue.

However, would you buy a war from a president who was seeing WMD's where none existed?

"We don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud."

Didn't think so.


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Perfectly understandable (0.00 / 0)
trollish response to deflect.  So people know huh?  Why didn't Obama immediately correct his fumble?  Why didn't he know when he said it, or was he merely on autopilot mouthing the words with no grasp of what they mean, so long as they provoke the desired reaction like a car salesman?  

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How many times did Bush (0.00 / 0)
correct his errors? Zero. He was oblivious to his manglizations of the englified languish.

You demand perfection from a simple human being. Yet when it comes to your own idols, you divert your eyes.

Blindness to the errors of one's own (politician's) ways is just another expression of conservative and tea bagger hypocrisy. It renders your criticisms hollow, except in the tea bagger blogs where it is heralded as another sign the the Great Leader is fallible.


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Strawman assumptions (0.00 / 0)
are not the way to troll. Get serious.

[ Parent ]
JC, in addition to your trollish (0.00 / 0)
assumptions, we have had this discussion before:  http://www.leftinthewest.com/s...

Care to get back on track or are you just going to stamp your feet and chant:  "Yeah, but but but.... Bush!!!!"  


[ Parent ]
There's no strawman in what I said (0.00 / 0)
You compare the president to a used car salesman. I called you out.

You guys want to sweep the mess that Bush & Co. left us under the rug. You do that by focusing on stupid nothingness. I think the fact that Bush lied to the American people and ran up well over a trillion dollars in debt with his war, is a rather serious thing.

And until conservatives acknowledge their complicity in our national mess, well, I just don't give a rats ass what they think.


[ Parent ]
JC, look the dog in the eye (0.00 / 0)
and say that without blinking, or the dog laughing at you.

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[ Parent ]
Obama the car salesman (0.00 / 0)
http://www.google.com/hostedne...

"FACT CHECK: Premiums would rise under Obama plan"

Read it and weep.


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What they going to do under your plan? (0.00 / 0)
Oh, right. You guys don't have a bill on the table, now do you?

Go get a CBO score, and check back real soon now Craig. And tell me how many uninsured there's going to be. You know, the kind of people whose premiums never change, because they don't have one to pay.

And what are premiums going to do if the dem plan goes down in flames this week? They're going to raise. What's going to happen if the republicans take over this fall and the white house in '12? Premiums are going to raise.


[ Parent ]
i have a lot more faith in state by state health care reform (0.00 / 0)
than anything the insurance industry has written in washington. if we strengthen the health parasites they will simply lay more eggs in the host and consume us slowly and at their leisure. armed with the anaesthetic of the false brand of reform we will hardly feel the beak enter the skin before we are bled out.

i would rather see this p.o.s. fail and have people really feel pain so that we have the public anger and the momentum to finally enact single-payer or at the very least, a viable public option state by state. we no longer have representative government of the people in washington.  the bail-out bill proved that our congress and the office of the president are
subsidiaries of wealthy corporate interests and the chairman of the board is the top 5% of the income earners in the world.

our only hope as michael moore said is if people like republic glass and door in chicago decide that they just will not take this treatment anymore from their government and decide to unite to do something about it. we can do real reform state by state much better than the servants of the parasites can ever free themselves of the lure of their lobbyists money.  


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