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Health care links...

by: Jay Stevens

Wed Mar 24, 2010 at 09:07:58 AM MST


The New York Times' David Leonhardt addresses how the health care bill addresses "wealth inequality."

EJ Dionne points out that this health care reform bill is essentially a Republican plan, preserving the private insurance industry and creating a better insurance market. Dionne: "Here is the ultimate paradox of the Great Health Care Showdown: Congress will divide along partisan lines to pass a Republican version of health care reform, and Republicans will vote against it." (The mandate, for example, was a Republican invention.)

Jane Hamsher: "The health care debate was essentially a fight between political parties, not political philosophies. And the public understood that."

Of course, there's no way the current Republican party could have passed any kind of health care reform. Nor did they when they held the reins of power that last decade.

And according to a March 22 Gallup poll, a majority of Americans think it's "a good thing" that Congress passed the health care bill.

Jay Stevens :: Health care links...
Krugman: "Actually, it's not clear whether public opinion has changed all that much: a substantial fraction of those who disapproved of the reform did so because it didn't go far enough. Anyway, true to form, one of the key talking points of reform's opponents - that passing reform was an outrage because it denied the clear will of the people - turns out to be completely bogus."

Interestingly, the health care bill polls better than Republican Congressmen. And, more interestingly, the DNC has received more than $2M in unsolicited contributions since the bill passed.

Maybe that's why Republican Senators are already scrambling away from calling for repeals of the bill. The new strategy? "Fixes" to the bill. What kind of "fixes," you ask? Why, tax cuts for the rich!

Sadly, conservatives now rush to defeat health care reform in the courts. I'm guessing this goes to the SCOTUS, where that court's conservative justices have never shied away from changing the law for political gain.

Here's a shocker: angry rightwing extremists send death threats to Democratic Congressional representatives after the healthcare bill passed. Joe Klein:

"Right-wing extremists are threatening Democrats who voted for health care reform with violence. This, after Congressman John Lewis was called a "nigger" and Barney Frank was called a "faggot." This, after Congressman Randy Neugebauer called Bart Stupak a "baby killer" and, essentially, refused to take it back. The Republican Party has to be very careful about where it's headed. After all, it was protesters shouting "baby killer" at U.S. troops in the 60s that helped put the Democratic Party in the American doghouse for 40 years..."

It's nice to see the Beltway crowd suddenly realize this stuff; only wish they had looked at the warning signs months ago, before they elevated the kooky splinter movement to national prominence.

Here's Maddow on rising violence from the right:

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Majority????????? (0.00 / 0)
Where did Gallup call the results approving of the bill passage a "majority?"  Doesn't a majority have to be greater than half of the total????

Fudging the results looks like desperation.  There will be many more polls in the weeks to come.  We will see.


49% +/- 4% (0.00 / 0)
= a spread from 45-53%, which means a 37.5% possibility of a majority.

Come on Craig. You can do the math. Or are you really an absolutest on the bottom line for poll numbers?


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Here's what Gallup said... (0.00 / 0)
By Slim Margin, Americans Support Healthcare Bill's Passage
Independents evenly split in their basic reactions, but more are "angry" than "enthusiastic"

Spin away JC, just apply some lube to your backside so your butt doesn't catch fire as you rev up the RPM's.


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I don't need either Gallup (0.00 / 0)
or you to softsell their results.

You do understand margin of error, don't you?


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JC, your head is in sand (0.00 / 0)
and your butt in the air.  See:  http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes...


March 25, 2010, 1:32 pm
Polls Show Public Still Skeptical of Health Care Law
By DALIA SUSSMAN

While President Obama promotes health care legislation in Iowa today, polls taken since the bill passed find somewhat more support for the measure, but also reveal a nation still skeptical of overhauling the health care system.

Voters disapproved of the bill, 49 percent to 40 percent, in a Quinnipiac University poll taken this week after the House vote on Sunday. Just before the measure passed, a poll showed that opponents outnumbered supporters by 18 points, or 54 percent to 36 percent.

Bloomberg's poll seems to mirror Quinnpiac's.


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Polls, polls, polls (0.00 / 0)
Let's just govern the country by polls. Elect politicians that way, too.

All your polls are measuring is attitudes based on teabagger hysteria as reflected by the media.

Useless, basically at this point.


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I would hardly call (0.00 / 0)
Quinnipiac and Bloomberg teabag operations that poll the media.  

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Neither would I (0.00 / 0)
But that isn't what I said.  

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JC (0.00 / 0)
you talk out of both sides of your mouth while humming out your ass.  

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That's about all I expect you to hear Craig (0.00 / 0)
But you should quit trying to reading while getting tea bagged. Something's fogging up your glasses.

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"Fudging the results looks like desperation." (0.00 / 0)
Yes, it really kinda does, especially when you have to redefine words as part of your fudging.  A "majority" has to be over 50% if there are only two options.  That isn't the case with the Gallop poll, now is it?

Americans' emotional responses to the bill's passage are more positive than negative -- with 50% enthusiastic or pleased versus 42% angry or disappointed -- and are similar to their general reactions.

8% had no opinion. 49% thought it a good thing, and 41% thought it a bad thing.  Again, 8% had no opinion.  In both cases, that's three options, and the majority favored one of those.  You can't add that 8% to either side, just to fudge your illusion of duality.  The majority is the option with the most numbers on its side, and in this case, that's being in favor of reform.

 


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Wulfgar you know it (0.00 / 0)
and it know it, calling the Gallup results a majority is wrong.  Plurality, yes, but a majority, not.  Even Gallup did not have such temerity to make the "majority" claim.  As I said, we will see.  Apparently the Bloomberg poll did not share the Gallup findings:  http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/...

It is desperate to oversell the Gallup results.

 March 23 (Bloomberg) -- Americans remain skeptical about the health-care overhaul even after the U.S. House passed landmark legislation that promises to provide access to medical coverage for tens of millions of the uninsured.

At the same time, most say the government should play a role in ensuring everyone has access to affordable care, a Bloomberg National Poll shows. A majority also agree that health care is a private matter and consider the new rules approved by Congress to be a government takeover.

The poll found the percentage of Americans who favor the almost $1 trillion 10-year plan remained at about just four in 10 following the House vote on March 21 to send the bill to President Barack Obama, who signed it into law today.  



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correction (0.00 / 0)
s/b "you know it and I know it"

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Deals made with *Satan (0.00 / 0)

 It's mind boggling that such a rah rah for Neo-lib ObamaCare Give-away to Insurance Cartel thru Back Room Deals with the enemy of the people >>> predatory capitalists... is now essentially Repug plan That Centrist in the West has so mindlessly endorsed ad nauseum.
  i think I've been clear that Singer and company are closet Rightists, with a lot to gain by being Stockholders in the Insurance Cartel on this glorius day for fleecing the working class.
  It can not be because you feel this is for better health...but that you feel Predatory Capitalism is sacred.
  Endorsing the HCR bill is REpublican/Satan Think and will always be a joke and big win for the Cartels until Medicare for All from Cradle to Grave system is implemented including Mental, Dental and Vision Care. Everything else is a Capitalist Pig venture...health care for profit and stockholder dividends is an oxymoron.
  i just dare you to say this bill was built from the Grass Roots.

     *(i'm an atheist so Satan is just a figure of speech)


Damn, Darwin (0.00 / 0)
I knew you were fucking nuts, but this screed is a classic of dementia.

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