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The Bathroom Police Invade Montana

by: celestialaly12

Wed Mar 24, 2010 at 19:36:15 PM MST


(Dallas Erickson is back stirring up lies and crap... - promoted by Matt Singer)

x posted from Pam's House Blend.


No Or Both Gender Male Female Restroom Sign - Gender Neutral Restroom Bathroom SignToday, I found out that Missoula, Montana's city council has scheduled a vote for April 12th on a non discrimination policy that includes sexual orientation and gender identity. This is a good step forward for the state of Montana. If you do not know, Missoula is known as the bastion of the progressive movement in Montana. Unfortunately this has brought out the crazies that we have seen across the country. From Gainsville to Kalamazoo, The Blend has covered the crazy bathroom meme. Get ready for some keyboard protection, because this website -- NotMyBathroom.com -- contains the crazy to a new level.

The Missoulian, the local news paper has done two articles that can be found here: Human rights group wants sexual orientation non discrimination ordinance and Missoula Councilors introduce proposal.

So kudos for those councilors working for our equality:

The ordinance protects people in the areas of employment, housing and public accommodations. The draft defines public accommodations as "a place that caters or offers its services, goods, or facilities to the general public ... (including) a public inn, restaurant, eating house, hotel, roadhouse ... motel, soda fountain, soft drink parlor, tavern, nightclub, trailer park, resort, campground, barbering, cosmetology, electrology ... swimming pool, skating rink, golf course, cafe, ice cream parlor ... hospital and all other public amusement and business establishments."

It makes exceptions for "distinctly private" clubs or institutions. Organizations with more than 100 members don't fall into that category, according to the draft. Lodges of national fraternal organizations are considered private.

[More below the fold.]

celestialaly12 :: The Bathroom Police Invade Montana
That right there does cover the organizations like the Eagles or the Masons or whoever that the right wingnuts are afraid we are trying to invade. The notmybathroom people believe this ordinance is just an excuse for the destruction of the American life.

On their website, they published a letter imploring the citizenry to get involved. From the letter linked to on its front page, the writer assails society for this homosexual agenda acceptance. It is the usual round of the Peter and the Bam-Bam type bleating. To quote from the letter the writer also goes off on the Catholic church.

Remember, the Catholic Church did not have a problem because they allowed molesters to become Priests. They suffered horrendous damage because they allowed homosexuals to become Priests. That is why most of the children and young people molested were boys. That is the same experience the Boy Scouts of America had and the reason they will not allow homosexuals to work with their boys.

The letter has 7 points on how to defend against the Agenda. Each point is what you would expect and they get crazier by each point. Point 7 has some goodies.

The law would put a stamp of acceptance on homosexuality and give the homosexuals special protection. There seems to be a feeling that this law would close the loop and if they can get homosexuals protected then everyone will be. The opposite is true. There have been discrimination and violent crimes and even murders in Missoula of people who were Veterans or homeless. Most people would not be protected from discrimination under the new law and the list is long. A few examples are fat people, skinny people, smart people, dumb people, foster children, adopted children, foster parents, ugly people, beautiful people, etc.

The writer tries to use the evil strawman against us and then plays to the emotions of the readers. I love the use of the ugly person and the beautiful person. I fail to understand how this is even remotely related to the real discrimination that we have faced out there. The worst part about this writer is that there is no name attached though the writer on the site claims to have fought the homosexual agenda for almost two decades. This person is much like the freepers hiding behind the intertubes anonymity. On the front page an address and phone number is listed, but no other contact info.

I would like to close with two more quotes to illustrate how this writer uses every tried and true talking point by the wing nut right.

First:

Does this mean that the participants in this group hate homosexuals and those who may be gender confused? Absolutely not! This alliance is made up of people who have close friends and co-workers and family members who claim to be homosexual and some gender confused. We don't treat them any different than anyone else. However, we must recognize the freedom and right of people to be able to hire and house and allow in bathrooms, locker rooms and showers whomever they feel safe to allow in those places or positions. Why should organizations like the Boy Scouts be required to allow girls in their "activities" or be required to hire homosexuals or gender confused people to teach the boys in the program?
So we are not hated by you, but you are preventing us from having equal rights. The writer claims to not treat us differently but by discriminating they are.

Finally, a little biblical perspective from the author:

As we slouch toward Gomorrah I hope people will wake up and speak out before it is too late. For the sake of children and families you need to get involved.

Oh the poor children. What about our children and our families. Yet again we fail to register to them as families and children.

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Ugly People have Rights Too (0.00 / 0)
I support the change, and hope the Council adopts it.

I just wanted to note that in the nation's capital, "personal appearance" is also a protected category.  What is it?  "'Personal appearance' means the outward appearance of any person, irrespective of sex, with regard to bodily condition or characteristics, manner or style of dress, and manner or style of personal grooming, including, but not limited to, hair style and beards. It shall not relate, however, to the requirement of cleanliness, uniforms, or prescribed standards, when uniformly applied for admittance to a public accommodation, or when uniformly applied to a class of employees for a reasonable business purpose; or when such bodily conditions or characteristics, style or manner of dress or personal grooming presents a danger to the health, welfare or safety of any individual."

If it'll shut up the opponents, I'd go for such a thing.  (I'll disclose some self-interest in the matter as well).

Confirm thy soul in self control, thy liberty in law.


Awesome (0.00 / 0)
Charley i like it.  

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Renters Rights (0.00 / 0)

I do hope that civilization comes to Montana... in the form of Renters Rights.
Today any landlord can evict anyone for NO REASON. Lets say you are the landlord and you find out one of your tenants is Gay or whatever - you don't need a reason to evict. 30 days notice is all it takes. Does not matter if you're a mom with a 2 day old baby or a 99 y/o crippled man... no reason just a 30 day notice to Vacate!!!
No one in Montana who rents, certainly a growing concern, is free from landlord Whims.  

WTF? (0.00 / 0)
And this has whatthefuckall to do with the post?  

Ladies and gentlemen, this is Chewbacca. Chewbacca is a Wookiee from the planet Kashyyyk. But Chewbacca lives on the planet Endor. Now think about it; that does not make sense!


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Darwin (0.00 / 0)
check out:  http://www.doj.mt.gov/consumer...

Your understanding is faulty.


No, the faulty understanding is yours Craig (0.00 / 0)
From your link:

"A landlord may generally terminate a month-to-month rental agreement by providing 30 days' notice to the tenant."

If one does not know the intent of a termination, one has no recourse. Landlords have, and will continue to, evict people for reasons that may be illegal, but for which the tenant has no proof.


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Obviously (0.00 / 0)
a lease provides both sides with more certainty than a month to month arrangement.

Housing discrimination is unlawful (although sexual preference isn't yet a protected category) which puts renters in more or less the same position as employees: if they fire you for a discriminatory reason, your going to have to prove it.  But if you do, they're going to get whacked.

Intent is going to be a jury question, if you've got any evidence.  You don't need a signed notarized statement from the landlord that he evicted you because you have a child, or are from Yemen, or whatever.

Confirm thy soul in self control, thy liberty in law.


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JC, you are truly reading impaired (0.00 / 0)
Darwin:  "Today any landlord can evict anyone for NO REASON."

Not true.  If you have a lease.  Read the Montana DOJ link.

Illegal Provisions in Rental Agreements

Certain provisions that are not legal or enforceable under the law may appear in your lease or rental agreement. Illegal provisions include any that:

   * waive any right given to tenants by the Montana Residential Landlord and Tenant Act
   * contain discriminatory terms prohibited by the federal Fair Housing Act (such as requiring higher rent for tenants with children)
   * waive tenants' right to defend themselves in court against a landlord's accusations
   * limit the landlord's liability in situations where the landlord would normally be responsible
   * allow the landlord to enter the rental unit without proper notice
   * require a tenant to pay for all damage to the unit, even if it is not caused by the tenant or his or her guests
   * states the tenant will pay the landlord's attorney's fees under any circumstances if a dispute goes to court
   * allows the landlord to seize a tenant's property if the tenant falls behind in rent

From the Fair Housing Act:

    Sec. 804. [42 U.S.C. 3604] Discrimination in sale or rental of housing and other prohibited practices

   As made applicable by section 803 of this title and except as exempted by sections 803(b) and 807 of this title, it shall be unlawful--

         (a) To refuse to sell or rent after the making of a bona fide offer, or to refuse to negotiate for the sale or rental of, or otherwise make unavailable or deny, a dwelling to any person because of race, color, religion, sex, familial status, or national origin.

         (b) To discriminate against any person in the terms, conditions, or privileges of sale or rental of a dwelling, or in the provision of services or facilities in connection therewith, because of race, color, religion, sex, familial status, or national origin.

         (c) To make, print, or publish, or cause to be made, printed, or published any notice, statement, or advertisement, with respect to the sale or rental of a dwelling that indicates any preference, limitation, or discrimination based on race, color, religion, sex, handicap, familial status, or national origin, or an intention to make any such preference, limitation, or discrimination.

         (d) To represent to any person because of race, color, religion, sex, handicap, familial status, or national origin that any dwelling is not available for inspection, sale, or rental when such dwelling is in fact so available.

         (e) For profit, to induce or attempt to induce any person to sell or rent any dwelling by representations regarding the entry or prospective entry into the neighborhood of a person or persons of a particular race, color, religion, sex, handicap, familial status, or national origin.

         (f)(1) To discriminate in the sale or rental, or to otherwise make unavailable or deny, a dwelling to any buyer or renter because of a handicap...  

BTW, Montana law and the Fair Housing Act apply whether the renter is under a lease or month-to-month.  


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"Renters Rights " (0.00 / 0)
Read his title, Craig. It is you who cannot read. it's right before your eyes.

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