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Health care reform and ideology

by: Jay Stevens

Sat Mar 27, 2010 at 11:17:21 AM MST


I really dig this section from a Glenn Greenwald post on the healthcare bill:

...if one wants to argue that this is a good bill, that's reasonable, but to claim that it is an example of Democrats' "standing up to special interests and the health insurance lobby" is so blatantly false that everyone -- especially supposedly independent commentators -- should be deeply embarrassed to espouse it.

The reason this matters so much -- aside from the intrinsic need to debunk political propaganda -- is because corporate control of the Government is one of the most serious problems, if not the single most serious problem, the nation faces. Every future bill -- from "financial reform" to energy bills to national security and surveillance legislation -- is dominated by that central fact. To pretend that these interests were vanquished or "neutralized" here ...is not just deeply misleading but, worse, helps conceal what remains the greatest threat to the democratic process: a threat that is not only stronger than ever, but has been made stronger as a result of the last several months.

And therein lies some essential clue about the rift that made the left as divisive and acrimonious as it was during the 2008 primary - Sirota's angry column on the "bleeting sheeple" being led to a "corporate giveaway" healthcare bill is Exhibit A in the kind of heated internecine rhetoric too commonly found surrounding reform.

The rift is about the health care system as a whole.

Jay Stevens :: Health care reform and ideology
First, back to Sirota. I'm guessing he got a lot of heat over that column from people he knew and admired. So it's in a kind of apologetic tone that Sirota took pen in hand to try and explain the differences between his stance and the legislation's supporters' that wasn't so dismissive of people he disagrees with. To do so, he turned to his old topic of "liberal vs. progressive" to define who the different groups on the left who battled over health care reform:

Economic liberalism has typically focused on using the government's Treasury as a means to ends, whether those ends are better health care (Medicare/Medicaid), stronger job growth (tax credits) or more robust export businesses (corporate subsidies). The idea is that taxpayer dollars can help individuals afford bare necessities and entice institutions to support the common good.

Economic progressivism, by contrast, has historically trumpeted the government fiat as the best instrument of social change - think food safety, minimum wage and labor laws, and also post-Depression financial rules and enforcement agencies. Progressivism's central theory is that government, as the nation's supreme authority, can set parameters channeling capitalism's profit motive into societal priorities - and preventing that profit motive from spinning out of control.

The crafters of the healthcare bill are, of course, "liberals," throwing money at a problem. Opposing them on the left are the "progressives," who wanted to institute regulatory mechanisms to fix the problem: "premium regulation" and the public option. And certainly "liberal" is a far cry from corrupt "sheeple." Of course, Sirota's distinction between "liberal" and "progressive" is his own. You won't find any reference to "liberalism" equating to taxation or budgetary philosophies in the Standford Encyclopedia of Philosophy.

To me, the essential difference between the factions on health care is clear. The solution - the health care legislation - preserves, even props up the status quo. Those opposed want to reshape our health care system.

There are lots of arguments for either view. Some legislation supporters simply want relief for the uninsured; whether it takes subsidies or single-payer doesn't matter. Others believe there are huge systemic problems with the way health care is delivered, but believe, given the political climate in DC and the strength of insurance lobbyists and their allies, that this is our only recourse right now. Some of the legislation's opponents believe that our economic system is inherently immoral, that goods and services are distributed unfairly. Others believe that, without systemic changes to the way we deliver healthcare, our healthcare problems won't be solved, that this bill is, at best, a band-aid on a gaping wound, or, at worst, a permanent obstacle to a workable solution.

Jane Hamsher, a virulent opponent of the health care bill recently wrote:

But the larger problem, which David and I were discussing yesterday, is that our language is inadequate to describe the political dynamic. The left-right paradigm is insufficient, in that it presumes everything can be explained within the context of back-and-forth shots fired between political "tribes" that have coalesced within the two party system. But they're firing past the larger corporate players who operate freely within both camps, whose role is rarely accounted for. And it should be clear by now that they have captivated leadership on both sides, who openly boast about that alliance.

There's something to this, of course. Both political parties have sizable anti-corporate populist factions. And it's always been this way, that political parties have had a number of different competing groups. And it's absolutely true that the media has covered healthcare reform especially poorly, dividing everyone into "Republican" and "Democrat" and, say, assuming everyone who opposed the bill fell into the "Republican" camp.

But...there is unity in belief on the left. There are shared core values that Hamsher overlooks.

From "The Future of Liberalism" by Alan Wolfe:

...Modern liberalism promises equality through what Berlin calls a "positive" conception of liberty: it is not sufficient for me merely to be left alone, I must also have the capacity to realize the goals that I choose for myself. If this requires an active role for government, then modern liberals are prepared to accept state intervention into the economy in order to give large numbers of people the sense of mastery that free market capitalism gives only to the few. Positive conceptions of liberty hold that human beings ought not to be reduced to their passions or even their interests. They live for some higher sense of purpose than getting and spending and ought to be able to realize those ideals in the here-and-now through their own collective efforts.

...But the liberal proposition, tested by long experience, is that whatever dependencies result from using public policy to address modern inequalities, the resulting gains in individual mobility, development of physical and mental capacity, and racial and gender equality far outweigh them. This is why [Adam] Smith, writing in the eighteenth century in opposition to the regulation of business by government, and Keynes, writing in the twentieth century in support of it, were, substantially speaking, both liberals. Their disagreements were over the means by which large numbers of individuals could achieve control over their lives, not over whether they should.

The rift, then, in the arguments over health care on the left is only over how effective in achieving "positive" liberty the legislation will be.

That is, I don't really believe there's a difference between "liberal" and "progressive." If I were going to label the competing factions, I'd argue that those who crafted and supported and passed the health care bill were a kind of "liberal conservative" faction, wherein they sought to advance positive liberty - universal access to health care, and easing of costs for the least wealthy - but while preserving an existing institution.

I have to say, though, that I suspect people's efforts to preserve the existing system aren't grounded in any kind of moral world view. I think it's largely practical. As James Surowiecki describes in a piece on how the capital gains tax break for hedge fund managers has endured despite its inherent unfairness and illogic:

If we were starting from scratch, after all, it seems unlikely that the Senate would choose this particular moment to pass a bill subsidizing money managers to the tune of billions of dollars a year. But, because the tax break already exists, it exerts a kind of gravitational pull that makes it hard to get rid of. In part, that's simple economics-those who benefit from the tax break have more money to lobby for it to be kept in place. Furthermore, while the cost of subsidies is spread out among all taxpayers, the benefits are highly concentrated, so, naturally, opposition is generally diluted and diffuse while support is intense. If you work in private equity, it's possible that nothing the government does matters more than keeping this tax break intact. And this pattern is true not just of subsidies but of government programs in general: every government action creates a constituency with an interest in keeping that action going.

Our health care system endures largely because its support is concentrated and well-funded, while reform comes in many shapes and flavors, and has a diffuse support of oftentimes ideologically opposing viewpoints. Also, consider the risks inherent to, say, instituting single-payer health care, which would mean making the multi-billion-dollar private insurance industry vanish overnight. How many layoffs would that mean? How many busted pensions? Gutted office buildings?

Whatever. Personally, I fall into the camp of believing this bill is a temorary fix to the symptoms of a larger systemic problem. Yes, it achieves some good goals and should have been passed, especially if the alternative was nothing. But I think we'll be having this debate again.

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- Personally- i feel Jay, Matt, Fall into the Camp of      Corporate Collaborators.

       This HCReform was the very best opportunity to sever the shackles of Corporate Terrorism of the Insurance Cartel. If you didn't see that as the Bonus Bonus in this campaign w/ an inherent need to actualize, then you are a willing or mindless Insurance Cartel collaborator/Predatory Capitalist. Capitalism is the Problem. Health Care is a civil right and Profit from it is Obscene. Why don't these mindless (Matt,Jay) 'water-carriers' get it?

        Granted the writing of this thread seems to take on itself as 'a bone' i should say - Personally - it's a pastiche of some brilliant Writers/Progressives works, the outcome is well i guess it shows Centrists in the West are just chaff in the wind of corporate fortune. While the Wheat is left on floor. Simple.

        Marks T's responses reflect my own as well - just better written. "we are not people trying to reach the same goal" It's succinct as, either you're a Capitalist PIG or a Social democrat. We know where Centrist in the West lies.
        I do feel a bit different about scum of the earth Baucus; nothing absolutely nothing is redeeming about him or Nancy Pelosi.

        The Obscenity of this bill will be ever harder to deconstruct and institute the only REAL SOLUTION...Improved Medicare for All incl Mental, Dental, Vision Care...

       Oh one last thing... HR 676 the 'only solution' had built into it, employment for everyone who would have been displaced by implementing the only real solution - Medicare for All. Every Employee of the Insurance Cartel would have had 3 years worth of PAID LEAVE, NOT unemployment ins... and or Employment with the National Health Care Service. Simple!    


ideology? (0.00 / 0)

You guys have all missed the real purpose of this health care bill.

It wasn't about cutting costs.

It wasn't about insuring more Americans.

It was simply an attempt, a last-ditch effort, to try to save the presidency of The Great Leader, President Obama.

So far his term has been a series of failures, and they are desperate to claim something as an achievement.

So of course this bill is flawed. It didn't matter to the Dems in Washington if it was any good, it just needed to pass.

They were willing to tear their own party apart, and force many of their members to retire, and force the ones that were left to walk the plank this November, for a bad bill.

I think they overreached badly, and Obama goes down in 2012 anyway.

BTW - Rob/Mark T. - you guys bicker like an old married couple. What's the point in it?


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I think Jay has made a sincere effort here to dig a little deeper into philosophical debate and I applaud it. I also don't understand the rancorous tone so often on display here but I guess it speaks to our time.

I saw where Frank Rich tried a little cultural critique in the NY Times today on this issue and I think he also makes a valid point about transference. In other words, the existential angst on display is about much more than just this one issue, HCR is a symbol for all the unresolved issues from 50 years of cultural change. Nancy Pelosi is all the "ball breaking" feminists, Obama all the uppity blacks, Barney Frank all the "fags".Civil rights,Vietnam, war on poverty, none of it resolved ( not even the Civil War, actually!) Federalism, Libertarianism, all the things not taught in schools or explained by the media but crucial to the understanding of ourselves as a nation.

Throw in hippies and commies ( where I come in), NASCAR  and Prairie Home Companion and it's a miracle the detente lasted as long as it did!

Add in the state/capitalism merger Jay attempts to describe, which contradicts the liberal idea of a neutral state, and an anti-intellectualism which masks as "common sense" and you have a toxic brew indeed. The state has had to intervene at the point of each capitalist crisis and bubble. The utopian anarchists cling to laissez faire and both parties and all politicians are stuck making promises they know they can't keep.Of course the next crisis of capitalism will change all the terms of this debate.

Tavis Smiley takes this head on in a special next Wed.on PBS when he compares Obama to Martin Luther King Jr. at the point MLK read his Vietnam speech.Fascinating stuff.


let me explain the health care reform bill for everyone.... (0.00 / 0)

....if you give all your money to health insurance parasites they may or may not cover you or your family someday....

depends on the language (which they wrote)


Far from it (0.00 / 0)
Jed, I hope I didn't advocate complacency! Far from it actually. I am Sec./Treas of the local IWW and was one of the organizers of the Thankyou concert Hoax in Missoula.I was in on all the Otter Creek actions, the homeless protests, Wels Fargo, etc..
None of these are perfect actions for "awakening the masses" and I have no perfect answers but I DON"T sit on my hands.

Mark, the comparison Smiley makes between Obama and MLK is far from a positive one. That was not implied. I stand by my analysis that includes racial, cultural as well as economic causes for the virulent reaction. I will concentrate my organizing efforts on the economic and shy from racial moralizing as that wound requires other treatment.Anger turned to rage springs from a deep well of resentment.



The Great Leader is no MLK Jr (0.00 / 0)

If I were the President, I'd resent being compared to Michael King.

Despite my political differences with The Great Leader, I doubt he's ever used his churches money for drugs, alcohol, or prostitutes.  


you've been hanging out with Nazis too much... (0.00 / 0)
I thought you shucked them off when you killed the blog...

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Killed the blog? (0.00 / 0)
He's only done it twice.  Which time?

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Hmmm? (0.00 / 0)

Is my assessment of Michael King incorrect?

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