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The demise of climate change is greatly exaggerated

by: Jay Stevens

Fri Apr 09, 2010 at 09:15:15 AM MST


Not too long ago from a reader I got a link to a post suggesting that the "effort to establish climate science as the basis" for cutting down on carbon "lies in ruins":

Climate science, even at its most uncontroversial, could never motivate the remaking of the entire global energy economy. Efforts to use climate science to threaten an apocalyptic future should we fail to embrace green proposals, and to characterize present-day natural disasters as terrifying previews of an impending day of reckoning, have only served to undermine the credibility of both climate science and progressive energy policy.

Citing flatlined public support for belief in climate change, Nordhaus and Shellenberger advocate moving away from using immediate weather events - especially natural disasters - as a basis for supporting good, progressive low-carbon energy policy that's in our nation's "economic, national security, and environmental interest." (However, they never mention what line of reasoning should be used to support said policy.)

I'm down with avoiding using specific weather events to support climate change. That's something I can get behind. But that's not why I received the link. The reader sent the link to discourage me from mentioning climate change at all when I write about energy, as if somehow we've reached a state where the doubt of enough misinformed Americans trumps scientific reality, as if somehow the state of the climate were a battle of wills, not levels of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere.

Of course, that's a foolish notion. For one, policy should not be based on irrational public opinion. As Todd Tanner writes in New West, most climate skeptics are "past the point where scientists can convince them or where logical arguments can persuade them," and that they've become ideologues, and whether they're driven by religion or politics or their distrust of the science is ultimately irrelevant." Tanner:

Here's what we need to know. The science is clear and unequivocal. We are dumping huge amounts of carbon into the atmosphere, and all that carbon is warming the planet and making our oceans more acidic. Our dependence on fossil fuels has created a worldwide crisis that threatens every single aspect of our lives.

And, yes, wouldn't it be great if we could find some rhetorical silver bullet that utterly convinced the country that we need to wean ourselves off of our fossil fuel addiction - if not for the carbon, say, but for the deadly air pollution? Of course, I don't even agree that talk around climate change has failed just because a handful of people still claim it doesn't exist. A vast majority of Americans believe the US government should put a "great deal" (pdf) of effort into dealing with global warming, and a plurality believe the US sign on to an international treaty to "reduce significantly greenhouse gas emissions." If this is failure of message, I'd love to see the numbers on a successful public campaign. (Numbers, by the way, courtesy of Tanner.)

But the fact is that there are deep-pocketed people out there who have a strong interest in burning fossil fuels, who will work actively to combat any effort to change our energy infrastructure, and who will sow misinformation and doubt among the citizenry and who will politicize health and safety to thwart reform. That is, it doesn't matter what rhetoric you use to support progressive energy policy, you will be attacked. It's better to ignore the concern trolls and forge on ahead with values that most Americans share, like a clean and healthful environment and a better future for our children.

Climate change exists. We need to do something about it.

Jay Stevens :: The demise of climate change is greatly exaggerated
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Here's a thought (0.00 / 0)
The war on climate change science is no different than the war on Iraq. It is no different than the push to mine Montana coal. It is no different than the drive to drill, baby, drill.

It's all about money and power. It's not about the climate at all.


More like war on HCR (0.00 / 0)
The war on climate change is more like the war against health care reform - completely ideological, fueled by right wing grassroots "movements", absent of any factual basis, egged on by certain media outlets' preoccupation with it, and ultimately completely political.

Just exchange the insurance industry with the energy industry............


Slipped a mickey (0.00 / 0)
I first met Shellenberger in 97 or 98 at the environmental LAW conference at U of Oregon. He gave an ok media workshop, which seemed more like a recounting of his work on the Headwaters Campaign to protect California Redwoods during the 90s.

The next year, our Zero Cut Coalition (which later became the National Forest Protection Alliance, which was based in Missoula) hired Shellenberger and his PR firm to do an analysis of our campaign to protect and restore National Forests. If memory serves, we paid him a around $20,000.

Shellenberger and a staffer presented their findings to our Coalition during a meeting we had in southern California.  They flew in from SF (we paid the tickets too) and arrived at the old Sierra Club lodge where our meeting was held. They handed everyone a document that was maybe 40 pages long. It was strangely stapled in the lower right hand corner and each page literally just had a sentence or two on it (I still have a copy somewhere in my achieves).

Basically the report was a compilation of a few phone calls and meetings Shellenberger and his staff had with a few conservation leaders who opposed our efforts. After the 1 hour long presentation, Shellenberger and crew left the meeting.

I'll never forget how our Coalition felt. We just looked around at each other in amazement, looked down at our strangely stapled document, checked the lint in our pockets and thought "Ahhh...what just happened and what did we pay all this money for?" Yep, Shellenberger slipped us a mickey.

Anyway, since that experience I've never put much stock in what he's had to say. When his paper, "Death of Environmentalism" came out, a longtime and extremely successful ancient forest activist told me, "They should have called their paper 'Fund Us Instead.'"

I think that applies to this latest essay as well.  


Demise of climate change (0.00 / 0)
So just what percentage of the atmosphere consists of CO2? What percentage of all CO2 emissions is attributed to mankind's activity?

oh god (0.00 / 0)
Here we go. And this reply is for folks who are actually interested in the answer, unlike, one presumes, larry.

The amount of CO2 in the atmosphere is small -- in fact, climatologists usu. measure in "ppm" -- parts per million. And we're talking a rise in the last 150 years from 280 ppm to 380 ppm. Not much. But it's enough to cause the earth's temperatures to rise rapidly and lead to major disruptions in the earth's ecosystem, just as it did during the Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum, when, apparently, sudden methane releases from the ocean floor emitted greenhouse gases into the environment.

And that rise of 100 ppm is pretty much all attributable to human activity.



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Jay's a climatologist now? (0.00 / 0)

If you're a climatologist Jay, I think I'll start giving lectures on brain surgery.

Let me guess, mans activity heated up the atmosphere, and ended the last ice age too, right?

Too funny. Keep it up.


nope (0.00 / 0)
Just have access to info on this stuff.

You have kids, right? Why do you hate them so?


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bring on the children (0.00 / 0)
Thank God for the greenhouse effect, where I live it used to be covered in ice plus if it wasn't for global warming life on earth would not exist at all. That's a sign of desperation when you invoke the children. Maybe the stuff you got access to is what they call junk science. Go to www.americanthinker.com/, put global warming in the search engine and read just a few of the articles from scientists. By the way, have you ever wondered why Al Gore is so silent? Where is he and why wont't he defend his life's work? I bet his lawyers are telling him to keep his mouth shut. After all with all the fraud and corruption in the global warming community getting exposed there are going to be some people that lose a lot of money because they invested in the global warming hoax with carbon credits and all that other phony garbage. Gore just might end up in a jail cell with Bernie Madoff. And mankind's total CO2 contribution is less than 4%.  

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junk science... (0.00 / 0)
Like Tanner said, with you, it's about ideology. Don't know why you prefer to stick your head up your @ss, but -- if you do have children -- it's their world you're sh1tting on.

Yeah, the children. When it comes to your crazy political mind-control schemes, you conservos are quick to trot out the children, but when it comes to issues that actually affect children -- like access to health care and global warming -- you're nowhere to be found.


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the children... (0.00 / 0)
These are the kind of guys who would rather leave their children a future with less debt and more CO2.

One's a rather meaningless number on a piece of paper, and the other can destroy our children's future.

Problem is, they can't see which is which.

What they are more interested in is what is politically and ideologically more advantageous in the next election. They don't really care about their children. Or their children's children.


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Misrecognition (0.00 / 0)
Mc Kibbens fait accompli sounds like Naders latest, saying it is up to the super-rich to save us.

But here is where I think you misread climate "denialists".These people are vigorously defending the free market system which they (mostly) sincerely believe to be under attack by "the left". In other words, they mistake you for me!

Your task then is to either A: convince them your regulated, green capitalism is somehow viable  
                     or      B: Become what they think you are already by understanding both the historical failure of "managed" capitalism and the theoretical contradictions and aporia of this utopian position.

Whether Beckian laissez faire or Keynsian or "Green" or Kortens Great Turning spiritual capitalism, it is all the same train wreck and if you really care about "the children" or the workers or democracy you see structural change is the only way forward.IMHO.


we need to act now... (0.00 / 0)
I understand what you're saying, and I agree our current state of capitalism is immoral and unfair, but -- and I've pressed you on this before -- I'm not sure if there's anything to replace it with. And besides, even if there were, we need to act NOW on global warming, not wait until after overturning the entire capitalist structure. In fact, I'd argue that global warming was more important than any other issue right now. And not acting to combat it because of dislike for the institution we have to work with is as bad as the Republicans' opposition to reform for political reasons.

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