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Roy Brown Has His Facts Wrong on Health Reform

by: Matt Singer

Sun Apr 11, 2010 at 16:49:57 PM MST


State Senator Roy Brown is one of the 74 Republican lawmakers calling on Steve Bullock to waste his office's resources by joining other states in a likely futile lawsuit to strike down the new health care bill.

KULR-8 has the Billings Senator on video. In that clip, he makes two notable arguments, both of which are patently false:

  1. First, that every single person in this country buy a product. There are huge classes of people not required to buy any product. Individuals insured through their employer or by another government program (including Medicaid, which will be available to all low-income Americans by the time the individual mandate kicks in) or for whom the purchase would represent a financial hardship are exempt from the mandate. In other words, the tax for not having insurance only applies to working Americans who make too much to qualify for Medicaid and choose to remain uninsured. They pay an extra tax in exchange for having access to the insurance regulations and protections, like the end of pre-existing condition discrimination, available under the bill to all Americans.
  2. If you don't buy insurance you get fined and if you don't get fined you go to jail. Actually the law explicitly prevents people from being jailed:
    The law specifically says that no criminal action or liens can be imposed on people who don't pay the fine. If this actually leads to a world in which large numbers of people don't buy insurance and tell the IRS to stuff it, you could see that change. But for now, the penalties are low and the enforcement is non-existent.
    Enforcement would occur through the holding of tax refunds or other mechanisms presumably in the meantime.
There are two things unfortunate about this. The first is that Roy Brown is calling for Montana taxpayers to spend a bunch of money pursuing crackpot legal theories based on his factually incorrect understanding of a law. The second is that KULR-8 didn't factcheck claims made by a partisan looking to score political points.
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Roy's passing gas. (0.00 / 0)
Roy's an idiot. Does he REALLY believe that Bullock is stupid enough to go for this?  But the thing that needs to be repeated over and over and over again each time Roy farts is that if somehow this health bill were overturned, (which is won't be) social  security would easily the be next target, for it operates within the same interpretation of the Constitution.  Someone needs to ask ol' moron Roy point blank what his agenda is here, to destroy programs like social  security?  I would make the little worm squirm!  THAT'S  what the interviewer should have done, make  that little worm squirm.

Since when was republican opposition (0.00 / 0)
to health insurance reform ever fact based? Why would they act any different now that the bill has passed?  

Matt, you surprise me. (0.00 / 0)

Matt, If you choose not to buy health insurance, you won't go to jail, but they'll make you pay a penalty.

If you don't send them a check, it'll be assessed at tax-time.

You don't pay your taxes, they'll seize your assets.

Yes Virginia, you will be forced to purchase health insurance.

No matter what.

Bullock is a fool for not joining the suit.

Schweitzer is term-limited out. The Dems will not support his Lt. Governor, John Bollinger.

Bullock polled well statewide, and I had him the front-runner to succeed Schweitzer.

By not supporting Montanans, and fighting Obamacare, he just shot himself in the foot.

So, please, nominate him for Gov the next election cycle.


Right -- they'll tax you if you have $$$ to buy insurance and you don't (0.00 / 0)
But the mandate isn't universal and it carries no threat of jailtime. So Roy Brown has his facts wrong. Bottom line.

This is effectively Romneycare with better cost controls for the long-term. That the conservative movement that invented the individual mandate approach to health reform is now suing over it shows a startling lack of honesty. I'd be surprised except I've been watching the modern conservative movement for some time.


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Montanans?? (0.00 / 0)
Eric, do you HONESTLY believe that the Teawackos represent "all Montanans"?  BTW, when are you folks gonna clammer for Scwheitzer to support Confederate History Month?  It's all the rage among the wacks.  Are you telling me that Montana wacks are any less wacky than southern wacks?  I don't THINK so.


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Yup (0.00 / 0)

The last poll I saw in Montana showed Montanans soundly rejecting Obamacare, and it wasn't just the GOP, it was Democrats too.

BTW - the last time I saw a Confederate Flag was on a Dixie Masonry truck, about 10 years ago.

But, I gotta ask, what in the world does the Civil War have to do with Obamacare?


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Montanans don't get to decide federal law, now do they? (0.00 / 0)
Don't be an idiot, Eric.  Just because the fine folk of Montana want our AG to waste money on a fruitless lawsuit doesn't mean he has to do it, regardless of whether Montanans favor the bill or not.  Suck it up or call for succession.  Your choice.

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Oh, I'm calling for succession all right...... (0.00 / 0)

The process of succession will be a good one when the next President replaces The Great Leader In January of '13!

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Eric, how bout a link? (0.00 / 0)
I don't believe that.  And about the confederate flag,  that is EXACTLY where the tea folks are headed.  They are all ABOUT states rights, real Americans and not real Americans, overthrowing duly elected governments, secession, and on and on.  But seriously, have you NOT been following the tea party express?  You should.  These folks are seriously wack.  But can you even IMAGINE the RNC taking up the cause of confederate history month?!  You've got some real, real sick folks on your side.

Eric, maybe you could explain the rational to me because I'll be damned if I can see it.  Why a confederate history month?  Why now?  How COULD they?  What's the point?  These folks, just like the original southerners, are treasonous!


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Actually... (0.00 / 0)

Actually Larry, you would be surprised.

In Billings, the 'Montana Shrugged' group comes from all walks of life.

There are retired Union people, Democrats, and even the Crow Nation Tea Party comes up sometimes to protest with them.

They 'meet' every Wednesday at noon, somewhere.

I've even got a sign, that says 'Taxed Enough Already' that I carry when I help them out.

People drive by and for about every 40 or 50 honks and waves from a supporter, there might be one Obama supporter, or Govt employee objecting.

One of them told me my sign was racist about a month ago. I assume he reads the blog here for his information. Or he didn't bother to read my sign.

This movement isn't a fluke, believe me.

And the flags they carry are the Stars & Bars, and a few revolutionary war 'Don't tread on me' signs.

Very treasonous, right?


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