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MT-AL: Gopher kicks primary to life

by: Jay Stevens

Wed Apr 21, 2010 at 07:10:39 AM MST


Jhwygirl's post covering Democratic House candidate Melinda Gopher's shot at primary opponent Dennis McDonald seems to have kicked the otherwise lackluster House Democratic primary to life.

Gopher accused McDonald of manipulating "state party strategy to position himself for this race"; suggested that he, as chair of the state Democratic party "underfunded" 2008 Democratic House candidate John Driscoll; that, although unpopular with rank-and-file Democrats, is receiving the "lion's share" of donations because of his "skin color and gender"; and said he's "unelectable" because of the GOP narrative around his legal work in California.

For me, Gopher jumped the shark on this post. For starters, it showed gross ignorance about state politics - how can you accuse Dennis McDonald of orchestrating a 2010 run at the House by denying state party funds to 2008 House Democratic candidate, John Driscoll, when Driscoll refused to take any money for his campaign? Or refused to campaign, for that matter? (And Gopher isn't even sure if Driscoll was a Republican or Democrat in that race.) Driscoll's leisurely run at Rehberg's seat was one of the most irresponsible campaigns I've ever witnessed, a wasted opportunity at extricating a do-nothing regressive Republican from Montana's sole House seat - but all of the blame lies on Driscoll, none on McDonald.

Sure, McDonald may have positioned himself for this race - but that's how you win party nominations. Working for the rank-and-file wins you support from the rank-and-file...and their donations. Race and gender may have played a part in fund-raising, but Denise Juneau showed you can raise money and win contentious primaries if you do the work and you're a quality candidate.

Yes, Ms. Gopher, wouldn't it be great if ideas were the only currency in an election? But until that day, you still need to do the groundwork to raise money and win votes. Otherwise your beautiful ideas will have to shine on the sidelines.

Whatever. Here's Pete Talbot's lovely summation of the three House candidates:

So who gets the nod? The inspirational, refreshing and candid Ojibwe woman [Melinda Gopher] - who's underfunded and not well-connected (outside of tribal politics) and is a party outsider? The other new face - the policy-smart, well-organized and politically savvy candidate with a potentially great future in Montana Democratic politics (but has a less than passionate campaign thus far) [Tyler Gernant]? Or the established, out front, Montana rancher who is the best known and may have the best demographic appeal but, is also considered a party insider (and has received the most press, both positive and negative)? [Dennis McDonald]

Yup. That's pretty much it.

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I agree with some of it - (0.00 / 0)

I looked over he campaign website, and some of it I agree with, and some I don't;

I agree that Dennis McDonald will not be very competitive.

I disagree with her that the 'free ride' is over as far as the Dems getting the native American vote. I think that the entitlement mentality will keep that group solidly behind the Dems no matter who the candidate is.

I disagree that McDonald puposefully underfunded Dem candidates to position himself, the Dems have historically not funded Denny's opponents. Look at McDonald now, as an example, it looks like they've written him off.

The drama in this years house race ended long ago.


"Entitlement mentality" of Native Americans? (0.00 / 0)
Coobs' casual racism is, of course, mainstream Republican thinking. I shouldn't be surprised by it.  But I still can't help being disgusted by it.

In my opinion the Montanans who most often display an entitlement mentality are white Republican ranchers.  For years, they've been sucking off the public teat while screaming about being victimized by the government.  


I almost deleted Coobs' post... (0.00 / 0)
...b/c of the racist remark, but your response was so beautifully appropriate, I'll have to let it stand...

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Racist remark? (0.00 / 0)

What in the world are you talking about?

I was at a rally this afternoon, with the Tea Party from the Crow Nation - they are good people.

Lighten up guys - the dems keep making promises to the minorities to keep them voting their way - simple fact of life, not racism.

You guys remind me of about a month ago when I was out with a different group, and a passerby told me my sign was racist that day -

The sign said;

" TAXED ENOUGH ALREADY "


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Coobs, you're a racist. Own up it. (0.00 / 0)
Stop trying to worm your way out of taking responsibility for your own words.  You said "the entitlement mentality will keep that group" (meaning Native Americans) "solidly behind the Dems no matter who the candidate is."

You wrote, in very plain language, that Native Americans have an entitlement mentality.  There's no other way to interpret your words.  This isn't Fox News.  You don't get to spin your words to make them seem less immoral than they are.

I won't "lighten up" about this.    


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Well Turner - (0.00 / 0)

I hope you're not encouraging me to expound on this, since it's an argument you'll lose.

But I'm perfectly willing if you want - it'd be a nice evening snack -


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What argument? (0.00 / 0)
You are what you are.

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Jhwygirl and Gohper are both off-base. (0.00 / 0)
First of all, she writes that Gopher:

"truly, she is saying what plenty of people have been pondering...but none have put in print."

Who's been saying this?  The uninformed?  Gernant?  If Gohper and Gernant had put in the work to learn about the party for which they claim to be running, they'd know what Gopher writes isn't remotely true, as Jay points out above.

Also, McDonald was a union member before Gernant was born, so hearing about the supposed "process" flaws of the endorsement of the AFL-CIO is getting pretty tired.  


You are in denial (0.00 / 0)
if you don't think people have thought exactly what I said.  I know people who are.  Don't try and act like it's not an issue for most people because (1) if it were a Republican candidate we'd be, for the most part, making hay of it just like the Repubs are doing now and (2) McDonald obviously knows this is an issue he is trying to get out ahead of as he's done two interviews (at least) on the subject for just the Billings Gazette.

McDonald is trying to dispel exactly that which you are attempting to say doesn't exist.

Further, to call these people "The uninformed" is to insult the very people that McDonald has been trying to clarify this story with - the voters he wants on his side.  

Really shouldn't be doing that......

Look - it's a primary.  We have a horse race.  There is more than one candidate.  Yes - I have come out front and told people who I am going to vote fore - take that for what it's worth. If people are uncomfortable with that, so be it.  

I've also said that McDonald is a nice guy.  He's not only nice, I've found him to be personable and generous kind of fellow.  I don't know why I find myself having to repeat that - but I've not attacked McDonald.

Gopher coming out and saying what she did was - as Jay headlined this - kicking the primary to life.  It was news - agree or disagree with what she said.  Even the Flathead Beacon thought so too.

When I compare Dennis McDonald to, frankly, both Gopher and Gernant, I see an outsider that wants to go to congress. A nice outsider. Versus two Montana-born people who want to do the type of things that I'd want them to do in Congress. Both underdogs, and both with deep passion for good government, for the people and by the people.

When I look at what we have now - the whole congress, as a group - I see McDonald fitting right in.  That kinda bothers me.  

Frankly, I'd like to see more people get out front and speak for their candidate....make a decision...or at least talk about them.  It's nice to have a choice, don't you think?



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I'm not talking about your (weak) argument (0.00 / 0)
that McDonald is "unelectable" (Which is a pathetic and desperate argument those in primaries throw out if they've got nothing else.)

I'm talking about her entire "uninformed" post.  



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what does mcdonald offer for working folks to believe in? (0.00 / 0)
i see lots of fight in gopher and just more of the same old go along to get along in both mcdonald and gernant.

why should we believe that either born on third base lawyer is interested in helping working folks?

i am more apt to listen to someone who struggles to survive as we do. melinda is struggling to survive. she gets what i have been posting about for two years:
i will even offer some favorite topics:

ideas for job growth?
child care?
housing?
homeless?
mortgage foreclosures?

haven't heard diddly from either gernant or mcdonald on any of these topics of interest to single mothers and families struggling to survive.


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I too want someone who will stand up for families struggling to survive. McDonald has a proven record of taking action do so. (0.00 / 0)
For example: The Boiler Makers Union Local 33 has voted to endorse the candidacy of Dennis McDonald for Montana's lone Congressional Seat.

Bob Winger, President of the Local, says "We're proud to endorse Dennis McDonald in his bid for Montana's Congressional Seat because he can most effectively represent Montana working families and that he exemplifies Montana values. We believe that he is the best possible choice for effective representation."

McDonald has a long history of supporting organized labor. He paid union dues as a proud Teamster. As a lawyer he represented the interests of union members. Dennis has stood in picket lines supporting the interests of struggling union members. He was appointed to the International Trade Committee by President Clinton in 1998 and was reappointed by President Bush, serving until 2005. While on the committee, Dennis represented the interests of grass roots farmers and ranchers as well as union members.

In 2005, on behalf of the AFL-CIO and U.S. Agriculture, Dennis led a task force to Central America to expose unfair labor standards, environmental degradation and unfair Agricultural markets. The information gathered was used in opposition of the CAFTA agreement. McDonald also led the successful fight against the Free Trade Agreement of the Americas (FTAA). He's always of taking the position of the outsourcing of the American dream must stop.


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i can cut and paste too mt cowgirl (4.00 / 1)
but what i asked was why should working folks believe that mcdonald will fight for them?

specifically i did not ask why democratic machine party insiders believe that mcdonald will fight for them?

working folks are different than party insiders. they like more than plaques on the wall from union lawyering with some appointments to fancy sounding committee assignments to judge whether he will fight for them. where is the real passion for working for people who struggle to make ends meet every day?

i don't see it in anything you pasted here.


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show me the passion... (0.00 / 0)
i think that this candidate shows me that she not only can hold her own with congress and debate mr status quo. she will go toe to toe and fight for working folks of all persuasions...

http://www.montanapoliticalnew...



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yeah, but anybody can post passionate words on a blog... (0.00 / 0)
it takes something more than that to run for congress, thankfully.

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yeah- it takes passion in person (0.00 / 0)
and melinda has that covered.

your guy is as exciting to watch as dessicating sherwin williams.


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it's something that pat williams had too (0.00 / 0)
or do you like your chili mild?

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Where do you get that Gernant is "born on third base"?' (0.00 / 0)
His dad is a teacher who had to move to Idaho because he couldn't find work as a teacher here after he got laid off in the last great economic downfall.  His mother works.  A regular working job.  Hell, they remind me (as I had the chance to meet them) of my own father and mother - and I am born pretty far from that ballfield you're talking about.

Gernant talks about job grown in the context of reversing the many policies that impact the middle class...repealing tax cuts that have cut the middle class to near non-existence; Ending tax breaks for corporations that take our jobs overseas.  These are the things that have added to the homelessness, mortgage failures and cuts in services that provide much of what both you and I believe are necessary to a functioning society.  

Just because you aren't listening to Gernant doesn't mean he isn't saying these things.  Even Melinda has yet to say anything negative about Gernant, or that he is a no-choice.  Those two have been very civil to each other.  

Sit down with Gernant and have a real chat with him - he may not get your vote, PB - as I know you know what you want - but I am confident you would find that he is not an empty hat.


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should not have included gernant in that bearism (0.00 / 0)
born on third base should only apply to mcdonald.

i get that you trust and support gernant j-girl. that's great. hope you have luck - i just don't see this kid going up against rehberg and winning - that's all.

i only see melinda gopher as having what it takes to go toe to toe with rehberg and winning. gernant might be a swell kid and i will support him for the legislature, but not this race. it is too important to just lose and chalk it up to name recognition building. we need to win. you can't win without passion against rehberg.  


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You're OK (0.00 / 0)
I respect where you are coming from, and no explain is needed.

The purpose of the primary is to get the best candidate - not to upset friendships.



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going with mcdonald or gernant is a sure win for rehberg... (0.00 / 0)
the only realistic shot the democratic party has at unseating rehberg is to get behind gopher who can inspire working men and women in this state to unseat a republican stuffed shirt.

running two lesser known stuffed shirts against a known stuffed shirt ain't gonna cut it. that is obvious to anyone who isn't looking through the complicated prism of party politics.  


committees and union lawyering....??? (0.00 / 0)
that's all you got? sigh. yawn.  

Mcdonald has Ronald written LARGE all over him! (0.00 / 0)
Look, Ronald is an outta state lawyer.  We all know that.  This dude has a sign on his back that says "kick my ass please, HARD"!  Hey, I didn't put it there.  But that is EXACTLY what Dopey Rehburp is gonna do.  Melinda Gopher is from Hill 57.  Now, if you don't know what that is, you better damn well look it up!  She's got roots, REAL Montana roots.  Look, for all my moronic Dim friends, for ONCE in your pathetic lives, let's take it TO him!  Let's get Melinda past the primaries and let this woman take it to Dopey! Hey, she may lose.  I'm not sayin' she won't.  But let her go mano a mano with the Dopester. I want'a see Dopey on the ropes!  Rope a Dopey!  What do we have to lose?  Ronald is a sure loser.  Melinda is gonna mix it up.  I want to see Dopey Rehburp is a real fight.

as i promised the payday lenders last year (0.00 / 0)
since our worthless legislature failed to protect our most vulnerable citizens from payday and title loan lenders and their abominable 650% interest (allowable in Mt) i will be petitioning near payday lenders this may (staying on sidewalks) and gathering signatures to force this slimy industry to no more than 36% interest.

if anyone can locate a bear suit (need XXXXlarge) or at least a bear head for me i would appreciate borrowing or renting it on saturdays during may.

i will be going to missoula, kalispell, helena, and bozeman (schedule to be posted soon on my website)

als0, since this is a very decisive wedge issue between republicans and democrats (makes republicans look like real meanies supporting the payday lenders) perhaps melinda gopher might be interested in joining me with some protest petitioning. anyone else please contact me on my website address. thanks- problembear


forgot the link (0.00 / 0)
here it is....
http://problembear.wordpress.c...

this should be lots of fun!


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