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The Trojan Horse Assault on Wages

by: Matt Singer

Sun Apr 08, 2007 at 10:59:29 AM MST


The Montana legislature is considering a bill to partially gut the minimum wage initiative we voters overwhelmingly passed last fall (at some point, you'd think politicians would realize that they probably don't have much grounds for self-confidence if they hold such strong doubts about the opinions of their constituents).

The bill would establish a tip penalty, lowering the wages for restaurant workers who receive tips. That means that when you're tipping, all you're doing is increasing the profit of the restaurant owner, not really rewarding good service (huzzah!).

The Brennan Center, one of the nation's premier non-partisan legal think tanks, has analyzed this legislation and found it to be deeply problematic.

The way that Republicans (and, unfortunately, some Democrats) have been talking on this bill, you'd think restaurant servers were fat cats living on large estates and driving Maseratis. The reality is way different.

Even with the $6.15 an hour minimum wage, typical compensation (including tips) for the 8,600 servers in Montana comes out to a whopping $7.32 an hour -- enough to make well under the poverty line while working full-time. No doubt, servers at high-end restaurants make more money, but these servers are an exception, not a rule. High end restaurants are also (hopefully) more profitable for their owners. If they're not, the owners should stop bitching and find themselves a line of work at which they are competent.

Even worse, the Brennan Center's legal analysis finds that the House Bill in question would have much more far-reaching implications for wages than the business community implies.

Luckily, the Senate has tabled this bill, but it will no doubt be brought up again in the future. That's because, for some folks, you can never do enough to relieve the mild economic hardships of multi-national oil companies and out-of-state wealthy landowners, and you can never do to much to squeeze low-wage workers on principle.

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Seriously, folks, (0.00 / 0)
This bill pretty much EPITOMIZES the Rethugly party now a days!  What sort of abject slime sucker would begrudge a waitress their tips??  ESPECIALLY a slime sucker that turns around and fights like hell to give HUGE tax breaks to the HUGE outta state corporations and the OBSCENELY wealthy?!  These people are truly sickos.  How does one find common ground with people that have a perverted sense of the reality of earning a living and economics in general?  How DOES one compromise with perverts?  I agree with mikey lange on this point.  YOU DON'T!  Let mikey boy and his RepubliCON pals dangle at the end of a roap of their own making.  I say give them enough roap, and they'll commit Martziside come next election!  Hope mikey's head don't  pop off like that Iraqi fella's did!!

The again, (0.00 / 0)
WHO REALLY GIVES A RIP IF IT DOES?!  Maybe the waitress union could hold a memorial service for mikey!

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What are you..... (0.00 / 0)
bitching about, Ranger, you liberals don't tip anyway?  I think the record shows that conservatives out give liberals  every time, when donating as well as tipping. 

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Really? (0.00 / 0)
You got an example of such generosity or is it just your regular run-of-the-mill bullshit that you think is true just cuz you say so?

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Really (0.00 / 0)
Well, Ive worked for two restaurants in Missoula and I regularly brought home 1 to 1.5 times my actual wage in tips.  So, get this, a shift of 8 hours at $5.50 per hour, I always made at least 40 in tips.  Hell one day in particular I worked a Sunday afternoon and made $200 in tips.  Whats all the fuss?  Now I know that Mr. Singer does not leave the computer to actually get his hands dirty, so he knows best.  If I can make $250 in 5 hours washing dishes (as according to Matt, Im a complete moron), then what is everyone really complaining about?  If stupid can do it, why cant we all?

Jake, (0.00 / 0)
you have to be the only dumbass around who actually expects a)  that your experience is typical, or b) that anyone would believe most anything you write without some corroberation.  Matt offers research, information and facts.  You offer anecdote.  I will give you this, though.  *If* you made out so well working in a 'liberal' town like Missoula, then obviously, squid is full of shit.  So which is it, Jake, is squid full of it, or are you?

(If you actually bothered to take a logic class, Jake, you'd know that the possibilities of you both being correct are very very slim, but it's extremely possible that you're both full of it.  So, please, do clarify.)


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Damn, Jake.... (0.00 / 0)
if we're both full of s**t then I guess it's time to swear our allegiance to the donkey party.

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Bull (0.00 / 0)
I don't buy your story.  I quit working food service when I was still in high school because the tips were lousy if you weren't wait staff (how many waiters do you see around Missoula?).  I've got friends who tend bars in some of the busiest downtown bars and they're lucky if they pull down $150 on the busiest nights.  But you got tipped out $200 in a few hours of washing dishes?  Not likely. 

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Well, well (0.00 / 0)
Waitresses split their tips out with the dish crew, it was not uncommon for me to haul in at least 50-100 per night on tips.  On an off night I would bring at least 30.  If the tips are lousy and you dont like it, then quit.  I made a killing, and while anecdotal, its true nonetheless (I just did my taxes). 

Plus, lets us not forget, a free meal per shift and all the soft drinks a person wanted (not too bad).  I loved the job, and was sad when I quit. 

Further, I had no problem making $5.50 per hour with tips, in a very nice apartment in Missoula, with a new car payment, insurance, car insurance, ect. 

Once again, if stupid can do it, why cant these liberal intellectuals do the same.  And yes, I mean to tell you that you have to put down the keyboard and get your hands a little dirty. 

Ive worked construction at 20 per hour, Ive worked food service for 5.50, hell, I even had a paper route, and Im about to go to work for a firm at 25 per hour, its all do-able if you put your mind to it and stop waiting for handouts.  Freedom isint free, it takes folks like you and me. 


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Oh, Addled One, (0.00 / 0)
you really ARE a dink.  Again, let me repeat.  Just what kind of abject scumball will begrudge a waitress their tips?!  The Rethugly kind.  I don't care WHAT you "say" you made.  Only a dumbass (as evidenced by the last election) would take tips  from a waitress.

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What restuarant did you work at? (0.00 / 0)
I'll go on by tomorrow and see if they have any opening for that kind of money.

Thanks!


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5 Hours @ 5.50 + 100 doesn't equal 250 (0.00 / 0)
You can't even do math in your bullshit equations, Jake. I've worked food service, as a line cook, prep cook, and dishwasher. I dated someone who was a server at high end restaurant -- your numbers are just damn misleading.

At a lot of restaurants, waitresses don't tip out. When they do, a regular night for most kitchen staff is more in the $10-25 range. Most employers don't give a free meal. As for free soft drinks, whoop-de-do. Soft drinks purchased in bulk are damn cheap.

And, honestly, Jake -- I'm not talking about my own wages. I don't work the restaurant business anymore. I make my living as a non-profit manager and occasional freelance writer. Your lying is only outpaced by your idiocy.

Like several folks have asked, where is this magical restaurant of which you write? My guess is it doesn't exist.


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How? (0.00 / 0)
As you can imagine tips are not going to be the same every day.  Some days I would get 100 in tips alone, some days I would only get 35-50 (off nights).  And, like I said, I made 200 plus in tips in one afternoon.  Im sorry youre not pulling this down with all of your volunteering. 

Funny how you just tell me that Im lying, with no basis to show.  I would be happy to disclose tax information, but I dont have the forms.  I can wager a guess though.

2006 - full time student, and I still managed to pull down about 18k. 

Finally, when did Gale work at a high end restraunt?


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Addled One, (0.00 / 0)
you must be one of them "compassionate" conservatives I keep hearing about!  How young are you again?  You should maybe have taken a few more classes in shinola and a few less is sh*t!  For you appear to be having a real hard time telling the difference.  I only wish that your side was at LEAST as compassionate with waitresses as it is withe HUGE outta state corporations and the obscenely wealthy.  That would be a start.

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Not really (0.00 / 0)
Both places I worked at were home town Missoula, owned and operated locally, sorry.  Better luck next time. 

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My bad, Jake (0.00 / 0)
You got me, I'm poor. I only volunteer. I've never worked in a kitchen. And I don't know anyone who has any restaurant experience.

Still, pulling down 18k while working half-time (I'm guessing you were working more than half-time, though, especially in summers) is good, but it doesn't mesh up with the numbers you've been throwing around. 18k is also roughly a lot of the folks I know pulled in during '06 while being full-time students

And as the entire damn comments section will point out, your made up numbers are nowhere near typical for the industry. I asked one of my roommates, who used to be a server at a high-end restaurant in a resort town -- he said he pulled in over $100 one night the entire summer he worked. $60-$80 was typical. $30 was about his average tip out to the bar and the back.

Why do I think you're lying, Jake? Three reasons:

  1. I know you and you're a liar. Liars lie. Hence, you're probably lying.

  2. The data based on the Brennan Center report just doesn't conform to what you're saying.

  3. My own experience working as a dishwasher (at two restaurants), prep cook (at one restaurant), and line cook (at one restaurant) doesn't match up with your claims. And I can't find anyone else I've ever met who has worked in any arm of the dining industry in Montana who comes close to matching your claims.
Therefore, you're full of shit.

I honestly can't believe you're even trying to become a lawyer. It's a profession, Jake. They have standards.


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How (0.00 / 0)
When have I ever lied?

Give me an example please. 


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Yeah, I'll spend my time trolling your comments and public statements (0.00 / 0)
It is, of course, possible that in some cases that you don't know you're lying. Lying indicates an understanding that you're spreading falsehoods.

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Mamma is wrong again (0.00 / 0)
I have not representeted that my ideas are the only one truth, thats the talk of your pal V, I on the other hand merely have stated that despite the Brennan whatevers statement that ambitious people can and do make a killing at 5.50 per hour with tips.  Might I add that it was from that money that I purchased my own home, and a new car at 23.  Sure, Im in debt up to my neck, but its not merely consumer debt.  If you save and spend cautiously you can do well on a lower paying job with tips. 

You call me stupid and a liar, but you refuse to show where, nor can you show that Im not thriving because of my prudent spending.  My house was appraised at a 5,000 sppreciation, despite the slump in the market.  That is called smart spending as a result of smart earning. 

Cry me a river, but this blog is no beacon of truth.  Remember when you denied that you were a puppet of the PSN?  Yeah, your former job.  What ever did they fire you for?  Hell, I can think of about 20 half truths that you and your shit stabbing pal V spewed on here. 


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Jake, you're lying again. (0.00 / 0)
Most of us regulars here abouts remember that little dust-up where you were trying to claim that Matt agreed with everything that PSN told him to agree to.  Matt proved that he doesn't.  You claimed that Matt was hiding his affiliation with PSN, when it appeared rather prominently on the sidebar.  Now, you're claiming that Matt was fired (though you don't have to courage to actually state it, you are logic-challenged enough to actually state in within a question.)  Another lie. 

That's pretty piss-poor, Jake, to request the Matt prove you a liar, while you're proving it for him.  Don't you think? 


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So why (0.00 / 0)
So why did he get fired?

Im not lying, Im asking a question.


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You're lying again (0.00 / 0)
You just implied I got fired. I didn't. It's very tough for people who got fired to go from one job one day to a very different, full-time job the next -- especially in the professional world.

Of course, you don't seem to know that much about how the job market actually works.


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Problem Is (0.00 / 0)
Well, you had better do a better job of rumor control because there are several flying around.  Ive heard that you were just a pawn that they used like the chump that you are for the election cycle, and then they dropped you like a bad habit.

The other one that I heard was that you had some (hold the phone) differing opinions and they again, dropped you like a bad habit. 

Either way, when your MO is peddling someone elses garbage, you are, afterall at their whim. 

Try another round of Simon says, you must be awesome by now. 


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Well then, Jake, (0.00 / 0)
Following the well defended logical form of your question, did you purchase your profitable property before or after you quit selling drugs?

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"Shit Stabber?" (0.00 / 0)
I want to point out that you just called someone a shit stabber over a ridiculous mud-slinging session that you instigated.  Do you have any class at all?  You think it's OK to assume someone's gay, and call them a shit stabber on top of it because you disagree with them?  You don't deserve to live in this country.

So are you in the habit of calling people niggers, fags, kikes, carpet-lickers, and spics too if you can't defend yourself against what they're saying?  I haven't been to a republican fundraiser or a golf course in awhile, so I haven't heard these phrases lately.  Maybe I'm just over-reacting to how crass, ingorant, and juvenille you are.

I look forward to meeting you in person some day Jake. Hopefully it's in a bar late at night when you slip-up and call someone that.  I'll give anything to be the person who overhears it.


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"Shit Stabbing?!?!" (0.00 / 0)
Dude... you totally, absolutely, suck for saying that.  That is the worst homophobic tude-slinging I have read in along time broseph.  You aren't a broseph, you just totally suck brah.  You're not even brah... you just suck and are a total punk for calling someone a 'shit stabber.'

Atlas is a punk.


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Here's a Question for You, Jake (0.00 / 0)
How much income did you report for the tax year in question when you were pulling in $50 an hour as a dishwasher (e.g. $48,000 a year, even if you were working only half-time)?

I'd bet dollars to donuts your tax forms will prove that you're either a liar -- in this forum or on your tax returns.

So, which is it?


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Hey homes... (0.00 / 0)
why you gotta slang tude on Singer's rep man?  Why don't you wrangle over the evidence brah, instead of hackin on homebrah's person? 

You're tossin some flimsy anecdotal evidence to compete with Singer's numbers and reasoning.  Why you gotta flail like that brah? If you wanna fight, don't grab hair, use the knuckles girlymon!

Your experience may be important to you bro, but its way different from the experience of a single 45-year-old mother taking her umpteenth lifetime coffee-slinging gig in a truck stop just to stay off welfare.  I also bet you gotta helluvan insurance plan with those serving jobs too broseph.

Word. Payce.


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Agreed (0.00 / 0)
Gotta agree with my brah Jim, here.  Way harsh, broseph.  Tude is unnecessary, as is hating on minimum wage workers.  Dudes and ladies work sick hours for low payola.  Feels like your numbers might be influenced by a way altered state.  Cool out on that, my friend.

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Whoooah Broseph!!! (0.00 / 0)
These fat-ass elephants are killing-off stellar populations of hard-core shredders, and replacing them with trust-fundin ass posers.  Many of my bros, and some of the best shredders in the west coast came up through the late-night serving and bartending gigs brah.

Go to the Fish now, and it's no affordable housing, servers working two or three gigs to make the ends jive together on the month to month.  No one can afford it anymore. Foley's bought the whole town, including the Big Big, when he took over the majority shares from the Child Tickler Dick Dasen.

Alot of my favorite shredders, and some waaaaaay hot ladies too, are leaving for other states where the snow and tipage is on the gnar gnar angle brah.  And with no insurance, and no guarantee of job security, you get way unstoked about going big and gettting injured.  So even the big air is cutting back.  All the runs are just filled with fat, drunk, out-of-staters, and a few wanna-be trustafarians who think backcountry bigtime is all about gettin a season pass on momma's tab and skiing the in-bounds brah. Harsh.

And hard core shredders aside brosephs, alot of single parents and young struggling folks are just tryin to get by w/o the insurance, or stability of a job.  The Republicans are just defending the small business owners, who live off public subsidy at the expense of hard-working shredders, and normal folks alike.

Poo poo on that harsh economic tude brah.  Gotta go shred... Late. Payce.


Child tickler???? (0.00 / 0)
Gotta be some kind of Repubiecon pervert, right?  I wouldn't put child tickin' past mikey lange, though.  That guy just LOOKS like a pervert!

8 Year olds dude... (0.00 / 0)
Not quite that young, but Dasen was convicted of charges stemming from promoting child prostitution, along with others that forced his sale of WSI stock, allowing Foley's major entry into the company. Eventually, he got his 50+1 percent, and is the majority holder Brah. [Missoula Indy'
s P.Peters did a feature piece on him recently]

Me and my shredder bros have been sobbing over tube-loads and old ski-flicks for weeks; the Man is finally taking over. Aaaaaaaawwwh... shit... here I go again.... mmmhhmm... jussec.

I've been watchin alotta Oprah too... she really gets how I feel sometimes about this Man-take-over-ski-town thing.

Anyhow, Broheim was a Republican, with some interesting ties that I can only make insinuations and veiled jabs about, so I won't. But he did pay money to tickle meth-addled teenagers with large dildos and plastic fists... NewWest did a great multi-piece series a couple years ago on it, and I bet it's still in their archives brah. Slam on some search engine, and get ready for some depressing details bro.


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