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Mulling the Democratic US House race

by: Jay Stevens

Wed Jun 09, 2010 at 11:30:05 AM MST


Let the speculating begin! James Connor:

But the vote totals for Melinda Gopher and Sam Rankin, and the lower than expected total for Tyler Gernant, are surprises. Gopher and Rankin were running soapbox candidacies on a shoestring. I expected each to receive around five percent of the vote. And I expected a much closer race between McDonald and Gernant.

What happened? Two things, I think.

First, I believe that early voting hurt Gernant. His campaign gathered steam during the last half of May, but by then a lot of Democrats, the ones who reject the idea that they have a responsibility to keep their minds open until the campaign ends, had voted - and a lot of them voted for McDonald. Early voting almost always helps the initially better known candidate.

Second, most Democrats understood that none of the Democratic candidates had an ice cube's chance in a blast furnace of beating Rehberg. That provided an opportunity to cast a protest vote against the Democratic establishment, which was represented by McDonald and Gernant.

Your guess is as good as mine, folks. In any election that gives Sam Rankin 16 percent of the vote in a four-way race, you've got to scratch your head. It's not random -- that's only a few points lower than you'd expect if all Democratic primary voters cast their ballots randomly. It's not cross-over voters: Republicans actually had a race in the US House, and a lot more disputed and contentious legislative primaries. (Not to mention county commissioner races.) A protest vote, as Connor suggests? That assumes the voters are very well informed -- they'd have to know who the "establishment" candidate is, and who the outsiders were -- and thinking strategically.

Let's be frank, people. This is the second year in a row that Montanans in large numbers picked irrational candidates in the primary. In 2008, it was Driscoll and Kelleher. And that time around, we blamed new voters turned out for the Clinton-Obama brouhaha who were uninformed about the down-ticket races and lost in the blizzard of candidates on the primary ballot. But this year, turnout was low, and the US House race was the showcase event. Was it really a conscious decision?

(Note that Republican voters, on the other hand, supported Dennis Rehberg nearly unanimously, despite warnings that we were facing an "anti-incumbent" tidal wave.)

Why did Sam Rankin nearly beat out Tyler Gernant? Why did the Democrats of South Carolina nominate an unemployed veteran living in his mother's house to run for Senate?

Who the h*ll knows?

I'm waiting for Rasmus to explain.

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I'll probably put something up later. (0.00 / 0)
Not a full analysis, but some tidbits. I think I'll be looking at the Rankin vote, the influence of early voting and maybe which candidates hurt each other.  

You pose some good questions, Jay (0.00 / 0)
Here are some more: Is being "a Missoula lawyer" the kiss of death?  Does one need a big ol' cowboy hat to win in Montana?

And can you imagine what the numbers would have been if Gopher and Rankin had strong fundraising and field organizations?

The results weren't all that surprising as far as 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th place but the percentages were.

And finally, apparently the bogus "Jimmy the Weasel" attacks didn't hurt McDonald that much.  We'll see how it plays out in November.      


Good points, Pete. (0.00 / 0)
I thought that Melinda ran a superb campaign for the amount of money she had to deal with.  But then again, she showed up!  By that I mean that she went to Dopey's events and asked questions and put him on the spot.  People LIKE courage and Melinda displayed plenty. She did well in the debates.  She drew clear differences between her and Dopey, and she wasn't afraid to do so. Also, she was tremendously computer savvy.  But not only that, she's very smart.  I hope she keeps trying.  I can't believe that Montana is ready for a Native American congresswoman just yet, but it will be some day soon.

On the other hand, if Dopey wants to continue the Jimmy the Weasel approach, I think McDonald should nail his ass on it!  McDonald should adopt the Dopey the Developer approach! Jimmy the Weasel will get you Dopey the Developer. Go down to Billings and interview the disgruntled folks who purchased land from Dopey up on the Indian Cliffs.  Put'em in commercials explaining what a cheeseball the dude really is.  Hey, two can play the Weasel game!  Dopey the Developer has a history.  Use it.  In fact, use ALL  Dopey's history, and start now!  Dopey the cheesball Developer has WAY more factual basis than Jimmy the Weasel.  And poor widdle will deschamp KNOWS it.  That's why he's trying to pre-empt the sleaze argument.

McDonald canNOT allow the Pubbies like widdle will deschamp  to attack his character because that's just wrong.  The Ag community knows Dennis, and he needs to use'em.


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Numbers - (0.00 / 0)

Larry, so far attacking Rehberg has only hurt McDonald.

The Dems didn't even show up to vote in Yellowstone County because of their distaste for their candidates. There were 23,182 GOP ballots compared to 9,584 for the Dems. Yellowsone County is IMO 40% GOP, 40% Dem, with 20% in the middle - it's not 71-29.

I've been looking at the numbers all day, and I can tell you that the mass-absentee ballot craze played a major part on the election results. Even if Gopher, or Gernant was coming on strong at the end, it really didn't matter, because the absentee ballots went out May 10th, and were pouring into the election office by May 15th.

Yesterday morning, I hit my precinct at 8:30 am, after they had been open for 90 minutes, and I was the 4th live person to come vote, and there were over 700 absentee ballots.

So McDonald got his lead early, from the unions, and the 'establishment', and the absentee ballots went in at that time. Game Over.

Take a look at the votes Denny got, and the votes that McDonald got, and tell me what chance you give McDonald to win, and more importantly, what chance does he have of the Dems investing their cash into his campaign?  


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Eric, what's not to like about Dopey? (0.00 / 0)
A LOT!  Look, you've gotta admit that Deschamps's  "questionable character" argument in pure bullshit. I think it's Dopey's campaign that is atrocious.  I mean, really, a character argument?  What's wrong with issues?  Negative campaigning works,and it works well.  Dopey has TONS of negatives, and I would go tit for tat with the Rehburp camp.  I'd say, fine, you want to talk about character, bring it on, dude!  You nearly killed your entire staff in a drunken boating accident.  Now THAT'S character you can believe in!  That's all. And sure, any time  one runs against an incumbent, it's hard.  But I do seriously believe that Dopey's vulnerable.  There are no givens this year.  People are looking for answers.  Dopey's more-of-the-same bullshit ain't gonna play that well. In other words, all Dennis has to ask is how is that trickle down thing workin' for ya?  I personally would not want to run on Dopey's record.  There's nothing there except non-issues and bones to the rightwing nutjob crowd. I guess we'll just have to wait and see though.  I know how I'd play it.  When you got nothing to lose, you come out swinging and let the chips fall where they may.

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Larry (0.00 / 0)
I admire your spirit. Rehberg should not get to take the office for granted.  Hope we get to have that union beer some time. Loved your thoughts on Melinda.

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Craig, (0.00 / 0)
if you ever get the chance to meet her, do it.  I wish that you could have met her father.  He was the last of a long line traditional Native Americans who passed the wisdom from generation to generation, an incredibly knowlegable man, but at the same time extremely humble.  When he died, an entire history of his people basically died with him. He knew all the languages, the ceremonies, the traditions, and the history. He was a walking culmination of thousands of years of existence. And his entire existence centered on others.  I know that Melinda was  deeply influenced by her father.  I look for her to do big things some day.  She has always been a fighter for justice, and she's way smarter than I'll ever be.

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Huh???? (0.00 / 0)
Why did Sam Rankin nearly beat out Tyler Gernant?

Gernant 15181

Gopher  13319

Rankin  10269

Why was the question phrased to exclude Melinda in the comparison?  


Because compared to Rankin Melinda is (0.00 / 0)
a serious candidate. She at least was visible.
It would have been surprising if Melinda beat out Tyler, but that Rankin nearly did it is like Armageddon. He wasn't even listed in the side poll.  

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The 5000 vote (0.00 / 0)
difference was about 8% of the total D vote.  Hardly nearly.

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Born contrary, eh? (0.00 / 0)
Whatever, Craig. I was expecting a thirty point spread between the two. This morning I wake up and it's 8. I'd suggest "nearly" is a subjective description and not worthy of a snipe. IMHO.

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Sorry (0.00 / 0)
I didn't mean it as a snipe.  Just trying to understand the characterization and the comparison.  I didn't expect Gernant to win.  He just didn't have the real life CV, or the Montana looks to sell east of the Divide.  However, I was prepared to be wrong realizing that Montana is changing while I cling to my notions from an earlier time.  What did surprise me was Melinda Gopher as I expressed elsewhere here.  I didn't see how her shoestring budget campaign and lack of blogger support could get out a message to attract attention and votes.  

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As for the SC Senate Dem, (0.00 / 0)
turns out that he's also a criminal.

Court records show 32-year-old Alvin Greene was arrested in November and charged with showing obscene Internet photos to a University of South Carolina student. The felony charge carries up to five years in prison.


A protest vote? (0.00 / 0)
Jay says, "A protest vote, as Connor suggests? That assumes the voters are very well informed -- they'd have to know who the "establishment" candidate is, and who the outsiders were -- and thinking strategically."

I disagree with Jay's premise that voters must be "very well informed" to cast a protest vote. They simply have to know who are establishment candidates are, which isn't that hard, plus there's the fact that primary voters probably are better informed than most, and be mightily POed at the establishment. I think that's what happened here, at least in part. Congressional Democrats have Charlie Foxed their mandate, and hordes of the rank-and-file are furious. As long as they knew who McDonald and Gernant were, all they needed to know about Gopher and Ranking is that they were not Dennis or Tyler. With Rankin, in fact, a Democratic voter's not knowing much about him (he wants to screw with Medicare and Social Security) probably was to his advantage.

There certainly are other factors --Gopher may have picked up some votes from identity voting women -- and it will be interesting to sort them out when more data become available.

In the meantime, I hope McDonald can find a way to retire Rehberg. I think the odds that he can are in the lottery ticket category, but I still hope he prevails.


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