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Tester's Transparent Process

by: Matt Singer

Mon Jun 14, 2010 at 10:29:51 AM MST


Jay does a fair look at winners and losers in the forest bill process. I don't agree with all of his conclusions -- Tester should stand by the framework he's supported since day one.

That being said, Matthew Koehler is way off base here. The Energy Committee draft of the legislation isn't a Tester draft. In fact, it is so much not a Tester draft that Tester actually opposes the details of the draft. If the Energy Committee wants to release drafts, that is the Committee's prerogative, not necessarily Jon Tester's. In fact, Jon Tester would be a big jerk if he started publicly releasing other people's documents without their permission.

It would also be politically stupid of Jon to do so. The Energy Committee decides his proposal's fate. Going around them to publicly disseminate their documents is a quick way of assuring the end of his process.

All of this is my way of making another point. Through this while process, Jon Tester has established what is probably the most transparent legislative effort in the history of the Congress. It is to accomplish something that many Montanans support and some (very loud individiauls) don't. That's fine. But the complaints about transparency here, especially when echoed by respectable media outlets, could portend a very dangerous outcome.

Rather than applauding Tester for posting every draft his office has produced or his public responses to feedback received, Jon has come under fire for maintaining secrecy around, say, the committee drafts.

Notably, this hullabaloo over committee drafts is one reason why they are typically kept secret. The U.S. Senate is already a nearly impossible location to...do things. Exposing every considered option to a ton of scrutiny creates a lot of incentives to do even less.

Mark my words -- if the Tester Forest bill dies, not because Montanans oppose the substance or because the Energy Committee could not ultimately come together on the substance but because of bullshit process arguments, the lesson to Washington, DC, will not be to become more transparent but to become less transparent. The lesson will be to handle controversy by moving quickly and silently.

My feelings on this are colored significantly by Matthew Yglesias' recent insightful post on hypocrisy. Even if Jon Tester is being a little hypocritical here by being less transparent than ideal, the reality is that he is being far more transparent than the norm. Smart supporters of transparency would (and are) applauding Tester's behavior in order to raise the bar for Congressional behavior in the future.

Conversely, Tester's strongest process critics don't really care about process. As should be clear, they're very much outcome-focused. The process argument has emerged largely because most Montanans support the logging provisions that are the basis of their actual opposition.

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I agree with Matt. (0.00 / 0)
The proposal is best debated on its merits and for what it is - a big compromise from all sides in an attempt to win something for lots of folks.  The process arguments just come of as inside baseball to average people anyway - as too boring to follow or care about.  

More BS from Singer (0.00 / 0)
Let's see here, did Matt Singer forget that the Montana Constitution has unparalleled requirements for open government? That any bill, in any stage of construction, with any amendments offered are ALL public information as soon as they hit the computer (yes, they don't even have to be final or printed). Seems like Singer either doesn't know that or doesn't think it's important.  

Unfortunately, the U.S. Congress doesn't operate under the open government provisions of the Montana Constitution and more's the pity.  But Jon Tester is, after all, a Montanan sent to Washington to represent Montana -- and Montana values.  His campaign pledge of transparency and restoring trust in government goes hand in hand with letting people know what's going on with legislation a couple thousand miles away -- no matter what stage of the game it's in.  If he can pronounce the committee amendments "Dead on Arrival," he's apparently not too concerned with what committee members may think of him.  And that, of course, blows Singer's suggestion that somehow the committee is going to be angry and uncooperative if their draft amendments are released to the people of the state the bill affects.

There's not a single Montanan who would EVER object to being able to see drafts, suggestions, amendments, fiscal impacts and the full language of bills BEFORE we read about what the Senate or House did with them in the paper.

Of course, anyone who has ever actually written, passed and funded legislation would know that.  And again, Singer's great weakness of never having had that experience shows through.  

The Missoulian nailed Tester in their Sunday editorial for his LACK of transparency and, quite frankly, they could have gone further because most of the bill was never put together in a public forum.  The majority of the bill, the Beaverhead-Deerlodge portion, was absolutely a  backroom deal among a very few self-selected participants.  Anyone who tried to get a copy of the product of those backroom deals -- including mainstream media, alternative media, or anyone else except the "collaborators" -- got blown off.  Matt, apparently, never tried.  Maybe, like Cowgirl, he just found trying to understand draft legislation "too boring to follow or care about."  Or perhaps Cowgirl and Singer don't think suggested amendments are part of the process which, inargueably, they are.

One of the dumbest posts you've put up so far, Singer.  But no surprise -- you've truly become a fan of the lowest common denominator in politics.  Why strive for better when you can just roll over, put your legs in the air, and give yourself up to the status quo while claiming to be "Left in the West"?



"dumbest posts"? (0.00 / 0)
A roaring tirade of hyperbole never helped anyone's cause. For starters, you hold Tester to an unfair standard I suspect applies to no one else, and, ironically a standard the Senator himself is striving for. You're like a fellow who criticizes a hiker toiling up a steep slope for not being at the top.

I'm not sure how many bills you passed and funded in the US Senate, but your admonitions belie an idealistic  naivetee about Congressional procedures and traditions that make you seem like the newcomer.  


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oh, but George (0.00 / 0)
Do not confuse your jealousy for Singer's access and knowledge of DC, with what is a fair and frank point: the US Senate is barely functional.  Changing the access paradigm for discussion drafts of committee bills, may, just, break the body's ability to get anything done.  

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59 Democrats (0.00 / 0)
Roscoe - the Senate has 59 Democrats -- a majority neither party has held in years and years.  The President is a Democrat and the House has a Democrat majority.  Perhaps your definition of "barely functional" has more to do with the inability of those Ds to lead the nation than with the tenuous "access paradigm" for bills.  If giving the public access to proposed changes will "break the body's ability to get anything done," that's a very sad statement on our so-called leaders.  

There's only one place to be when it comes to transparency in public policy making -- and that's not with the secrecy crowd.  Or did you like the way Bush and Cheney did things and think Obama and the Dems should emulate them?  Remember "change and hope"?  Full transparency is change, amigo...and I guess we're still hoping for that.    


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Substance will kill the bill (0.00 / 0)
I give Tester credit for trying to do the right thing. But he erred when he based his bill on the agreements of the collaborationists instead of simply having them testify at a Congressional hearing. That locked him into the logging mandates, which are bad ideas that his fellow Democrats are going to strip out of the bill (remember, these are national lands, not state forests). Now he's up a political cul de sac. If he supports a bill without mandates, he betrays the collaborators. And if he insists on the mandates, he won't get a bill, which makes him look weak.

This is what happens when a rump process is accorded a de-facto official status.



Look beyond (0.00 / 0)
this bill as to what the Timber mandate means.  The energy bill has Biomass burning crafted as "green." Tester has been lauded by Plum Creek for this.   Timber recovery and biomass burning are two sides of the same coin for the wood products industry that his its hand in Tester's special interest money pocket.  

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Tester wrong on process and substance. (0.00 / 0)
The process stinks.  The substance stinks.  It's not an either or proposition.  Now, if you really want a fair debate over substantive issues put up a post on the substance. What a nice suprise that would be.

Until Tester answers legitimate concerns raised months ago about his bill, the public will wonder what's he trying to hide, what he's afraid of.

Stakeholders(collaborators)all have a vested financial interest in the outcome. Matt believes their mandated logging quotas agree with the views of "most Montanans." Yet, only a tiny fraction of the 300 million owners of the lands in question live in Montana.  How about the weakening of environmental laws?  Do most Montanans want that too?  Do they want a partial repeal of the Wilderness Act? Do a majority also want roadless areas partially protected by the Clinton Roadless Rule roaded and logged?  There's much to discuss.

Isn't debate a big part of transparency when public policy and public lands are at stake?  


Process critics? (0.00 / 0)
"Tester's strongest process critics don't really care about process"

What are you talking about? Tester's greatest critics on the enviro side of things are huge policy critics. Don't confuse process criticism with policy criticism. And don't think for a minute that because a process question raises, that those who criticize it do it becasue they care about the underlying policy more than anything.

You know... policy? Something that this diary doesn't talk about?

Tester's greatest policy critics do care about process. And they do care about transparency. But it is easy for political operatives and the media to confuse the controversy over transparency for the real meat of the argument. IN fact, it almost seems like those that support Tester's policy and his process would rather create a smokescreen with the process and transparency issues so they don't have to talk about the policy.

That's all I see happening here.


I submit to you (0.00 / 0)
Jon's process critics are his strongest, and if you're looking for them among environmentalist then you're gazing at the wrong side of the aisle.

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Wrong, Wulfie (0.00 / 0)
If you actually knew anything about environmental policy, your words might carry some weight.  But you don't...and ought to admit it.  You play "game theory," amigo -- which is just what it is.  But it's sure as hell not policy.  Kelly's got it right -- both the process and the substance suck and this loser of a bill deserves to die ASAP.  Or wait, maybe Wulfie can tell us why it's a good idea to de-designate Wilderness Study Areas protected by Lee Metcalf over 30 years ago.  Or allow logging in roadless areas.  Or helicopter landing in wilderness.  Or motorized sheep herding.  C'mon Wulfie -- stick with what you're at least marginally competent at -- which is jiving other people over theoretical flaws in their presentation.  

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George (4.00 / 1)
There's a new comment policy in place.  I haven't a doubt that you think yourself so important as to be immune to such things.  But if you don't want me casting a giant spotlight on your stupid arrogance, you really shouldn't push it.

Regardless of what you "think" (poorly) I might understand about environmental policy, I do seem to understand the rabid right far more then you could hope to.  I know what they're attacking, and how they're doing it.  You don't.  And I know that they have vastly more sway over Jon's career prospects than the arrogant journalist, George Ochenski, ever will or ever could.  So if you have something to say to me, Georgy, address the point, not your fricking fantasy of it.    


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Here Wulfie, I'll repeat "the point" (0.00 / 0)
Or wait, maybe Wulfie can tell us why it's a good idea to de-designate Wilderness Study Areas protected by Lee Metcalf over 30 years ago.  Or allow logging in roadless areas.  Or helicopter landings in wilderness.  Or motorized sheep herding.  

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I have yet to hear what Tester's enviro critics want... (0.00 / 0)
That's something I told Koehler ages ago: define your positive vision for public lands. As it is, all I hear is what you all don't want.

So...what is it? No logging on public lands? No roads on public forests? What's the goal here? And how do your arguments about the bill relate to your vision?


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what we want is immaterial to tester (0.00 / 0)
but it makes no sense for any wilderness supporter worth their salt to support setting an extremist and completely uncalled-for precedent to mandate logging in order to get a paltry 600,000 acres of wilderness which the timber industry will never want anyway.

3.3 million acres of precious roadless areas are currently de facto protected under the clinton rule. why make such a radical agreement with the timber industry especially now when there is little or no market for the timber anyway. these mandated sales will in most likelihood cost the taxpayers millions of dollars in subsidies for the timber industry so of course they want it.

my question to you jay, is what do you want? you live in pennsylvania now. are you really willing to toss away 2.7 million acres of wild rockies wild lands for .6 million?
do you want to pay income taxes that support logging many of these lands to keep an industry alive that can no longer compete in the world market (canada, russia)  especially given the current recession?

what any thinking conservationist would want is a more rational, conservative (in the truest sense of the word- (not the bastardized reagan-corporo-quick profit version)  and a reasoned, measured approach to our last potential wilderness land since it is montana's most precious resource, and is bound to grow in value as clean water and unpolluted open spaces become more and more valuable to this world.

tester is out to make political points though, and that is as far from rational as it gets. policy-wise this entire country is operating without a brain on many fronts. it is all based on quick bucks and political capital which vanishes.

wilderness remains forever or it is lost forever. it is a decision that deserves better than a political ping pong match to see who wins.

as for the panic to log areas before the pine beetle gets to them, that horse has long since left the barn, realistically and most foresters know this. with stone's closing there is no market for even subsidized timber anymore in this region and logging it will do no good anyway. the only way to get the beetle under control is to turn earth's thermostat down in the winter so that the larvae freeze but missoula hasn't had a -30 degree day in ten years. so what is subsidized logging going to accomplish in the long run.

better to let nature take its course in these roadless areas rather than throw panic dollars at it just to waste more money.


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I'm against the mandate... (0.00 / 0)
You'll find no arguments here about mandates preserving wilderness areas, or any arguments favoring opening the roadless areas to logging. But...I don't recall that provision in this bill. I thought the egregious provision, besides the mandate, was opening long-closed Study Areas to logging.

But I do think there's value in having subsidized logging on public lands. So, how do we go about that?

As for your comment title, "what we want is immaterial to tester," I know that's patently false. After all, he's gone through the trouble to create a mostly-open, collaborative group of Montana organizations to hammer out a compromise bill that pays attention to a diverse set of beliefs. That he's beholden to the timber industry is a joke. But he's also not beholden to the cut-no-timber-on-public-lands crowd, which is why, I suspect, folks like Koehler are irked.

It isn't about "game theory" or political compromise. It's abut how to deal with environmental issues in the 21st century. You -- or even I -- may not like the outcome, but savage Tester over it instead of trying to persuade him is a  short-sighted mistake.


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Let's review what's happening here... (0.00 / 0)
Hello: I'm just now catching up on these posts from Jay and Matt Singer.  Ochenski, Steve Kelly, JC and P-Bear have offered some great comments and excellent context based on their considerable experience with federal forest policy.

It's pretty clear that Matt Singer has little to zero actual experience with federal forest or Wilderness policy. However, while Singer clearly lacks knowledge and experience with federal forest policy, laws, regulations and science he certainly knows how to be a good little political operative.  I will also point out that going back one year now I've offered to sit down and speak with Singer about forest policy issues (ie "substance") and Singer refused that offer.

I do have a serious question for you though Singer. The gist of your post appears to be that "Matthew Koehler is way off base here." Could you please elaborate on what you mean by this statement

The other big point I see Singer attempting to make in his post is that Koehler and other FJRA critics don't want to focus on the substance of the bill, just on ticky-tacky process issues. Really? Are you serious Singer?  If so,  could you please point out what person on the planet has done more to focus on the actual substance of what's actually written in the Forest Jobs and Recreation Act than I have? Than members of our Last Best Place Wildlands Campaign have done? What's ironic and puzzling to me is that I must have posted tens of thousands of words about the actual substance of the FJRA right here at LiTW alone over the past year. Anyone can review these posts right here: http://www.leftinthewest.com/u...

But let's review what's just transpired over the past few weeks, shall we?

On June 3rd, the Last Best Place Wildlands Campaign (a coalition of Montanans and over 50 conservation groups from Montana and around the country that work on federal public lands issues 365 days a year) released the following statement regarding the ENR Committee's new draft of Senator Tetser's FJRA. Here is the actual LBPWC's press release.

Coalition Calls on Senator Tester to Release New Draft of FJRA for Public Review and Input

Missoula, MT - Today, members of the Last Best Place Wildlands Campaign called on Senator Tester to make public a new "Discussion Draft" version of the Forest Jobs and Recreation Act (FJRA) that was put together by the US Senate's Energy and Natural Resources Committee and given to Senator Tester last month.

"Our coalition calls on Senator Tester to share with all Montanans the Committee's draft rewrite of his bill," stated Matthew Koehler of the Last Best Place Wildlands Campaign. "Since the Committee's draft includes significant new language, we believe it's in the best interest of all Montanans and Americans for Senator Tester to make a copy of the Committee's draft available for public review and input.  This step will ensure transparency and give all members of the public an equal opportunity to review the new draft language."

The Committee's new draft drops the controversial mandated logging levels on the Beaverhead-Deerlodge and Kootenai National Forests and drops Senator Tester's 12-month timeline for environmental analysis under the National Environmental Policy Act, which the head of the Forest Service called "flawed and are legally vulnerable" during last December's Senate hearing.

The Committee's new draft also adds language requiring that any project carried out under the bill must fully maintain old growth forests and retain large trees, while focus any hazardous fuel reduction efforts on small diameter trees.

The Committee's draft drops several of the controversial Wilderness provisions, including those allowing helicopter landings for military training exercises and herding livestock with ATVs in Wilderness, but other provisions that compromise the integrity of the proposed Wildernesses remain in the new draft.

The Last Best Place Wildlands Campaign (LBPWC) is a coalition dedicated to wildlands protection, Wilderness preservation and the sound long-term management of our federal public lands legacy.  The coalition includes 5th generation Montanans, small-business owners, veterans, retired Forest Service supervisors and district rangers, hikers and backpackers, hunters and anglers, outfitters and guides, scientists and community leaders.

As anyone can see, while our coalition called on Senator Tester to share with the public the Committee's draft rewrite of his bill (oh...the nerve and the humanity!!) especially since the new draft included significant new language, we also provided details regarding the substantive changes in the ENR Committee draft.

For example, the Committee's draft dropped the mandated logging, dropped Senator Tester's arbitrary 12-month NEPA timeline, dropped allowing military helicopters to land in Wilderness and dropped allowing ranches to herd sheep with ATV's in Wilderness. The Committee's draft also dropped the portions of Tester's FJRA that would have resulted in significant negative budgetary problems for the Forest Service and lead to what the head of the Forest Service said during the December Senate hearing was the "Balkanization" of the entire national forest system.

At this point, it makes sense to clearly point out to Singer and others that many in the conservation community - including members of our Last Best Place Wildlands Campaign - have been calling on just these types of substantive changes to be made in the bill for a year now. In fact, if you review the actual video (http://energy.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?Fuseaction=Hearings.LiveStream&Hearing_id=506d4038-9383-540e-6697-6db84663f270) from the official Senate hearing on the FJRA you'll notice that many of the substance changes in the Committee's draft mirror very closely the testimony that I provided during the hearing, as well as the testimony that Under Secretary Harris Sherman provided during the hearing.

But hey, "Koehler's is way off base here" right Singer? Remember, for the past year the response to our substantive concerns with the FJRA from many of the most die-hard supporters of Senator Tester and/or his bill has been, at best, to ignore these concerns, or, at worst, to even go so far as to say that we were lying and making stuff up. Singer has certainly made comments along these lines here at LiTW and that's been a common tactic with others as well.

Well, apparently, if the ENR Committee's draft (which you can bet was vetted with the Obama Admin and Forest Service prior to being sent to Senator Tester) dropped many of these concerning provisions we must have been justified and correct to bring these concerns to the public's attention, right Singer?  Maybe if Singer took a few minutes to stop playing political operative for Senator Tester he'd realize this.

So, just like we've been trying to focus on the substance of what the FJRA, as written, would actually do since Day One, when the LBPWC sent out the press release about the new ENR Committee draft, we again wanted to focus on the substance of what the Committee's draft would do.

Well, do you know what happened Singer? When Senator Tester's office was contacted by members of the media Senator Tester's office at first denied that the ENR Committee's draft even existed...and then just proceeded to give the Montana media the run-around.

As Jay highlighted in his post, the Great Falls Tribune's John S. Adams wrote a blog post about his experience trying to cover the new development with the ENR Committee draft. http://mtlowdown.blogspot.com/...

Here is a big snip from Adams' post:

When I learned about this latest discussion draft I called Sen. Tester's office and asked his staff for a copy of it. Upon my initial inquiry I was lead to believe that Sen. Tester's office wasn't aware of the draft. After subsequent phone calls and e-mails I was told that I would have to contact the energy committee staff to get a copy of it.

I've since confirmed that reporters for other Montana newspapers have also asked Sen. Tester's office for the draft, and they too were referred to the energy committee staff.

In reporting the story yesterday, Tester's staffer would not confirm whether or not the committee draft existed, or whether or not the senator had seen it. But I learned later Thursday afternoon that at least some members of the collaborative group who helped draft the original bill had received a copy of the discussion draft from Tester's staff sometime within the last two weeks.

Tony Colter, of Sun Mountain Lumber in Deer Lodge, told me he had talked with Tester's staff about the discussion draft. Colter said the committee draft was unsupportable by Montana's timber industry because it dropped language that mandated 100,000 acres of logging on the Beaverhead-Deerlodge and Kootenai National Forests.

Asked where Tester stood on the committee's revisions, Colter said:

   "They're in agreement with us, but you probably ought to talk to them," Colter said.

Ed Regan, of RY Timber in Townsend, has also seen the draft.

   "Yeah, I have seen it," Regan said when I asked him about discussion draft. "It's been about a week ago."

When I asked Regan where he got the committee draft, he said:

   "I think it came through Tester's staff."

But when I asked Tester's staff about the discussion draft, no one would even acknowledge that it existed.

So yeah, once Senator Tester's office treated reporters like this and so clearly gave them the run-around, you bet, the stories coming out ended up being about process and transparency.

You think the Missoulian's weekend editorial, titled "Tester's transparency problem" (http://missoulian.com/news/opinion/editorial/article_04a9a34e-7582-11df-973d-001cc4c002e0.html) might have been based 100 times more on the handling of the new ENR Committee draft by Senator Tester's office than on the little press release our coalition sent out the week before?

Singer, if you're looking to blame someone for the black eye Senator Tester is getting from the Montana media, please look to your friends in Tester's office and not to the critics of the substance of his bill. Tester and his supporters only have themselves to blame for this one. Enough said about that.

Let's just finish up with a little substance comparing the ENR Committee's draft vs. Tester's FJRA as originally introduced. Adams' blog post at the MT Lowdown has a link to PDF copies of the ENR Committee draft, so anyone can view those and compare it to the FJRA as introduced by Tester last July.

First, the ENR Committee's draft still would protect over 650,000 acres in Montana as Wilderness.  Isn't that one of the big goals these groups touted over the past few years? We have to break the Montana Wilderness drought?

However, the Committee's draft would not undermine Wilderness by allowing the military to land choppers in Wilderness or sheep ranchers to ride their ATV's in Wilderess, as Tester's bill would allow. How in the world could these not be viewed as positive steps by anyone who loves and appreciates Wilderness and understands it's unique place on the landscape? Seems that by any objective measure, when it comes to Wilderness designation that the ENR Committee draft is superior to Tester's FJRA.

Second, the ENR Committee's draft would also establish a "National Forest Jobs and Restoration Initiative" that would still "preserve and create local jobs in rural communities...to sustain the local logging and restoration infrastructure and community capacity...to promote cooperation and collaboration...to restore or improve the ecological function of priority watersheds...to carry out collaborative projects to restore watersheds and reduce the risk of wildfires to communities."

Again, aren't these the types of goals and restoration and fuel reduction projects to create local jobs that supporters of Tester's bill touted over the past few years?

If Tester's bill was never about logging anyway (as most of the die-hard supporters claimed...some even going so far as to claim that maybe only 1 tree would be cut on the 7000 acres of mandated logging on the BHDL NF), then what does it matter if the Committee's draft drops the controversial logging mandates on the Beaverhead-Deerlodge and Kootenai National Forests?  Or that the Committee draft drops Senator Tester's 12-month timeline for environmental analysis under the National Environmental Policy Act (which I should mention is the same type of short-cutting of NEPA which was done to approve of BP's oil well in the Gulf of Mexico)?

Third, the Committee's new draft also adds language requiring that any project carried out under the bill must maintain old growth forests and retain large trees, while focus any hazardous fuel reduction efforts on small diameter trees. Again, Senator Tester's original bill didn't do this, so what conservationists worth their salt would oppose language to maintain old-growth, retain large trees and focus fuel reduction on small trees?

In my view, these revisions/re-writes in the ENR Committee's draft are all steps in the right direction and certainly worthy of consideration.  

Yet, the Junior Senator from Montana has declared the Committee's draft "Dead on Arrival." Fine, I can see why Senator Tester would talk tough. After all, Tester's people don't want to have anyone in the public knowing anything about the specifics of the ENR Committee's draft because it's essentially a total re-write and attempts to respond to the concerns brought up by the Forest Service and Last Best Place Wildlands Campaign, which Senator Tester's office have largely just ignored.

But the political reality is that the Obama Administration, US Forest Service and ENR Committee Chairman are not going to let Tester's bill move through the Committee (and perhaps onto the Omnibus public lands bill) with the logging mandates, NEPA timelines, budgetary issues and motors in Wilderness.

So, seems to me that it would be in Senator Tester's best interest to take the ENR Committee's draft seriously. It would be political naive to think that the Committee's draft was only the work of some low-level Committee staffer and that it didn't carry with it the backing of the Obama Administration, US Forest Service and Chairman of the Senate's ENR Committee. Thanks.


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Review of Singer's contribution to "substance" in the FJRA debate (0.00 / 0)
Hello, I spent a few minutes reviewing Matt Singer's Tester bill posts that he made here at LiTW, his very own blog.  

As anyone can clearly see by reviewing Singer's previous posts on the FJRA, while his sophomoric sarcasm was on fine display, Matt Singer actually had next to nothing to say about the actual substance of the bill (ie what the actual language of the bill would actually mean on the ground).

http://www.leftinthewest.com/d...

"A real progressive bill would have an open house at the Triple or Quadruple Tree Hotel, for sure."

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http://www.leftinthewest.com/d...

"I've been notified in comments that this is all a sham and that no one listens, so we're taking a different tact: REVOLUTIO!N!@N!!!!"

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http://www.leftinthewest.com/d...

"This is all part of a complicated strategy to ram the bill down people's throats in a smoky backroom while pretending to have an open process where they go out and take feedback from thousands of Montanans. Or something. I'm not really sure what the conspiracy theory will be here."

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http://www.leftinthewest.com/d...

"My understanding is that the "talkers" of the critics are either deeply misleading or, in some cases, just not true."

So there you have it...for anyone to read and check out themselves.  Again, based on Matt Singer's previous posts on the FJRA I just find it incredibly ironic that now he's claiming we're only focused on ticky-tack process issues and not on the substantive issues of what's actually in the FJRA.

Below I will paste more of the substance-based concerns that have been expressed about Tester's FJRA for months now. They come from the current head of the Forest Service, a former Beaverhead Deerlodge National Forest official, the former Chief of the USFS, The Wilderness Society (a supporter of the FJRA) and from the testimony I delivered before the Senate Committee on behalf of our LBPWC.

It might be a fun exercise for Matt Singer to compare the new ENR Committee's draft with the LBPWC's official Senate testimony. But hey, why do that Matt when you can just toss out a "Koehler's way off base here" every now and again, right?

Harris Sherman, Under Secretary of Natural Resources and Environment, in official testimony before the US Senate's Energy and Natural Resources Committee:

"The levels of mechanical treatment that are called for in S1470 are likely unachievable and perhaps unsustainable...If the Committee decides to go forward with a bill, we would urge you to first, alter or remove the highly specific timber supply requirements, which in our view are not reasonable or achievable.  Secondly, we'd like to urge you to amend the National Environmental Policy Act related provisions, which in our view are flawed and are legally vulnerable.  Thirdly, we would urge you to consider the budgetary implications to meet the bill's requirements.  If we were to go forward with S1470 it would require far greater resources to do that and it will require us to draw these monies from forests within Region One or from other Regions....My concern [with FJRA] is that there will be somewhat of a balkanization that occurs between the different Forest Service regions in the country. Those [National Forests] who are first in may get funded and those who come later may  find there are less funds available.  There will be certain 'haves' and 'have nots' that result from this process.  Then in someways there is no longer a national review, an effort to sift out what priorities ought to exist across the country."

The Wilderness Society in official testimony submitted to the US Senate's Energy and Natural Resources Committee (Note: Even TWS, a supporter of the bill, has serious concerns with certain FJRA provisions):

"We oppose Congressionally mandated treatment levels in the bill because they, a) neglect the root causes of the problems this bill is intended to address, b) set an adverse national precedent, c) create unreasonably high expectations, d) fail to provide the agency the resources it needs to do its job, and e) most important, we do not believe this approach will work on the ground....Based on consultation with NEPA experts, we do have concerns that some of the specific language in this section of S. 1470 could effectively undermine the application of NEPA and its implementing regulations."

Jack de Golia, Beaverhead Deerlodge National Forest public affairs officer from 1989 to 2008, in a letter to the editor published statewide:

"The unfortunate outcome of the [Beaverhead] Partnership was to cast doubt on the integrity of the forest planning work that people had felt was open until about 2006. The Partnership's political shenanigans then put the forest plan on hold for a time and it never regained public trust. Now Tester wants special legislation for decisions that should be left to forest managers. Does this mean we'll get special laws for each national forest?  If we do, it's the end of "national" forests - they'll become legislated fiefdoms of the local congressional  delegation. That's not a good outcome. And mandating a cut isn't good forest management either. The  Partnership group was on to something, but drew up their drawbridge too soon....Then the Partnership sold their  idea like it was the best thing since sliced bread and they did that very effectively. But, putting their plan into  law is not the right thing to do. Let the forest planning process work. Tester should not be monkeying with that."

Jack Ward Thomas, chief emeritus of the U.S. Forest Service, in a guest column titled "Tester's forest bill not a feasible, long-term solution" printed in the Missoulian, January 25, 2010:

"[The Forest Jobs and Recreation Act] approach is flawed, inappropriate, less than fully informed, and has implications for the management of the entire national forest system. It should be debated in that context."

Oral Testimony delivered before the US Senate Subcommittee on Public Lands and Forests on December 17, 2009 by Matthew Koehler of the WildWest Institute and Last Best Place Wildlands Campaign:

Honorable Mr. Chairman and respected members of the Committee, thank you for the opportunity to testify at this important hearing.

My name is Matthew Koehler and I'm the executive director of Montana's WildWest Institute.  I'm here today representing the Last Best Place Wildlands Campaign, a coalition of conservation organizations and citizens dedicated to wildlands protection, forest restoration and the sound long-term management of our public lands. 

Our coalition includes 4th generation Montanans, small-business owners, veterans, retired Forest Service supervisors and district rangers, hikers and backpackers, hunters and anglers, outfitters and guides, scientists and community leaders.

We have provided you with a line-by-line analysis of the bill, including specific recommendations.  We also produced a document expressing our concerns, which has been signed by over fifty conservation groups from Montana and around America.

Our coalition supports forest and watershed restoration, protecting our roadless wildlands and sustainable jobs in the woods.  Therefore, the issue before this committee today is not what the drafters of this bill intended to do; rather the issue before you is what this bill, as written, actually would do.

Our coalition believes that, despite the best intentions of Senator Tester, this bill represents a serious threat to America's public lands legacy. The mandated logging provisions are unprecedented and represent an unscientific override of current forest planning. The notion that Congress should legislate logging levels on public lands is antithetical to the National Forest Management Act and irresponsible given that lumber consumption in America has dropped 55%.

The bill undermines the National Environmental Policy Act by imposing an unrealistic and arbitrary 12-month NEPA timeline, which would preclude the Forest Service from accurately assessing environmental impacts, essentially setting the agency up for failure.

This bill would localize the management of our national forests, opening the floodgates for mandated logging, mining, grazing, drilling or road building for national public lands elsewhere. This could fragment the entire National Forest system and ignores the basic principle that national public lands belong equally to all Americans.

The bill also contains several provisions that abrogate the Wilderness Act by allowing non-conforming uses including, for the first time ever, allowing military aircraft to land in designated Wilderness. It also releases Wilderness Study Areas currently protected by law by the late Montana Senator Lee Metcalf.

The numerous unfunded mandates included in this bill could cost US taxpayers well over $100 million and raises the very real potential for other National Forests to have their funds raided and transferred to these forests.

Over the past five years, long before this bill was introduced in Congress, open, inclusive and transparent collaborative processes have sprung up around Montana. Citizens and Forest Service professionals have been rolling up their sleeves, getting out on the ground, discussing differences, and most importantly, focusing on areas of common ground.  For example, a set of Montana Restoration Principles has been developed and we've established Restoration Committees for the Lolo and Bitterroot National Forests, both of which border the Beaverhead-Deerlodge.  These efforts have been so fruitful that the Lolo Committee recently received the Forest Service's "Breaking Gridlock Award." 

This is part of the story you're not hearing from supporters of this bill. While they complain of "gridlock," the fact is that the Lolo hasn't seen a timber sale lawsuit in two years.  And on the Bitterroot, there's been only one lawsuit in the past seven years.  The major impediment for many logging and fuel reduction sales right now, and for the foreseeable future, is the fact that demand for wood has plummeted, leaving many sales without bidders.

Finally, I'd be remiss if I failed to mention that this bill, and the exclusive, self-selective process used to develop it, particularly on the Beaverhead-Deerlodge, has engendered more distrust and hard feelings than anything I've witnessed before in Montana. Members of our coalition, and a large segment of the public, have felt excluded, disenfranchised and ignored throughout this entire process.

Again, our coalition supports forest restoration, Wilderness and sustainable jobs in the woods.  If the goal is to get diverse interests working together on scientifically-based restoration projects or bona fide fuel reduction work near communities, let's build on what's already happening. Congress doesn't need to mandate logging and throw science-based planning and management out the window.

Thank you again for the opportunity to testify and I look forward to answering your questions.


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I am in favor of wilderness. and Wilderness even more (0.00 / 0)
And I appreciate learning more about these issues.

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Hm.... (0.00 / 0)
Seems like you're missing the whole point of Singer's criticism. I mean, it's not as if you haven't had a say in the process and are pretty well informed on what's in the bill and how it was formed, right?

Just because they don't do what you say doesn't mean they haven't heard you.


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Could you please call me, as I requested, Jay? Thanks! (0.00 / 0)
Jay, I'm not sure I'm "missing the whole point of Singer's criticism." But then again, since Matt Singer has refused to be a part of this dialogue here (to both respond to comments/questions and offer some additional context) I'm honestly not sure what his "point" is...other than to continue taking shots at me and members of our LBPWC for being so "off-base."

My point, all along, has been that Tester's FJRA, as written, is fatally flawed and, as written, will never pass out of the Senate's ENR Committee. For nearly a year now we've tried to focus on the substance of what the bill, as written, would actually do.

And my point regarding the new ENR Committee draft is that this draft still would protect over 600,000 acres of Wilderness in MT and still would promote fuel reduction and restoration activities...without mandated logging, limiting NEPA, causing the USFS profound budget issues or allowing motors in Wilderness. And that the ENR Committee draft should be recognized by any true Wilderness/public lands supporter as far superior to Tester's FJRA and, therefore, certainly worthy of consideration.

BTW, Jay, I've written you a few times yesterday requesting that you give me a call so we can talk about forest policy and Wilderness issues, especially since you're so curious to know what my vision for public lands management is. I even provided you with my number. So far, I haven't gotten a call from you. (and like I said in a previous post, Matt Singer never responded to a similar request that I made repeatedly about a year ago). So please give me a call at your earliest convenience so we can discuss this issues in more depth.

P.S. I also wrote you wondering how in the world some of the comments in this thread meet LiTW's new comment guidelines?  But never heard back about that either. So maybe we can chat about that too. Thanks.


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Don't worry Jay (0.00 / 0)
You will be joining a fairly distinguished and growing list of folks that are not returning or agreeing to meet with MK.  Expect to have any correspondence with him posted to the Missoula community list.  

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How big of you "Roscoe" (0.00 / 0)
...to hide behind your little anonymous name and fully acknowledge that some "distinguished" people are refusing to meet with me and members of our Last Best Place Wildlands Campaign.

Yep, apparently "Roscoe" and some of their friends are more comfortable repeating talking points inspired sound bites than having an actual substantive discussion about Senator Tester's FJRA, the ENR Committee's draft or federal public forest and Wilderness policy.  I can understand that, because it appears to many of us that you folks have chosen to rise up the political popularity ladder, and "thank you Senator Tester" LTE's certainly score you more points than and get you noticed.

But you see, many of us in Montana who are part of the LBPWC have spent the better part of our lives working on public lands, Wilderness and forest issues.  You can make this about your personal feelings about me all you want "Roscoe," but that ignores the fact that others are having their requests for meetings ignored. Heck, I spoke with Stewart Brandborg  (legendary Wilderness champion who was just given an honorary PhD from UM) last week and he informed me that he, Bill Worf, Paul Edwards and Bill Cunningham  had still gotten no response to their 2 1/2 month old meeting request to Senator Tester.

And aren't many of the concerns brought up by our coalition the same exact concerns brought up the US Forest Service, Obama Administration and other members of the Senate's ENR Committee? The fact that you folks never want to acknowledge the absolute validity of our substantive concerns is just ridiculous, especially considering how little most of you seem to know about forest, Wilderness, public lands management, NEPA, NFMA, etc.

Sorry, but I and many others have come to the conclusion that for you folks this is all about politics and your personal place in it....That's fine...I wish you all well and hope that you'll do good work....But for some of us, this is about much, much more. "Roscoe," if you and any of your friends want to sit face to face to talk about these issues, I'm quite certain members of our coalition would be all ears.

If you want to know more about the ENR Committee's draft vs. the current version of the FJRA check out this new post...thanks.

http://www.leftinthewest.com/d...


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don't hold your breath matt (0.00 / 0)
those who worship power and politicians who are arrogant beyond belief are deaf to reason.

the dog acts like its master.


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this is conrad burns bill anyway (0.00 / 0)
tester just recycled it to get some points for passing something as a freshman senator. he thought if he could reassemble burns' unholy alliance of collaborators it would be a slam dunk over the heads of wilderness supporters. tester exhumed this corpse from burns crypt and frankensteined a staggering monster of a bill using a secretive process that had fail written all over it from day one.

don't lecture me about what a politician cares about what we want jay. not after you and i watched a badly cobbled together health care bill fail to help regular folks, but provide a windfall for an industry that deserved, like BP to become extinct.

i know a ruse when i see one. this thing was an inside job if i ever saw one. i have actually worked with politicians who used an actual public process in getting wilderness passed. one thing i can tell you is some politicians like jim weaver and mark hatfield respected people who stood up for their principles. tester has demonstrated to me that he fears and avoids people of principle. just like baucus, who wanted to know if there were enough police to remove the doctors and nurses at the senate health care hearing, tester prefers to work behind closed doors with collaborators. this bill is dead and it deserves to be dead.


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This is easy (0.00 / 0)
What do we want? For Tester to pull his bill.

Positive vision? NREPA.

Some of us have been working on NREPA and its precursor MINILPA for over 20 years.


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Just wanted to tie up this loose end (0.00 / 0)
Jay, I stumbled across these and wanted to make sure I tied up this potential loose end regarding your request for us to share our vision...which to be honest, while we could always do a much better job of articulating, we have in fact been talking about our vision for public lands management in various public forums for a few decades now.

Anyway, the first document is called the "Citizens' Call for Ecological Forest Restoration:  Forest Restoration Principles and Criteria." It's available here: http://www.nativeforest.org/pd...  I guess I'm really not surprised nobody heard about the Restoration Principles, since the media completely ignored them when we made them public in 2003. Apparently it wasn't very interesting that enviros and community based forestry folks worked together to develop a common vision for restoring our public lands.

Background: In May 2003, 124 conservation groups from around the country released a set of Restoration Principles that serve as a national policy statement to guide sound ecological restoration on our nation's forests.The Restoration Principles are the result of a 3-year bridge building effort between conservation groups and restoration practitioners to develop agreement on a common sense, scientifically-based framework for restoring our nation's forests.

SNIPS from Document:  

"The Restoration Principles seek to articulate a collective vision of forest restoration, informed by science, that clearly defines what the undersigned groups can support."

"We share a vision of ecological restoration that encompasses all natural ecological processes and native fish, wildlife and plant species while enhancing the human connection to the natural world."

"While these Principles do not address regional ecological differences, they do provide a national vision and guidance for the establishment of a sound restoration agenda, as well as tools to implement responsible ecological forest restoration on-the-ground."

Here's something else. I think I put this together in 2005 or so. Heck, even got the word "vision" in the title, huh?

Our Vision: The Restoration Century
http://www.nativeforest.org/ca...


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Perhaps George (0.00 / 0)
You could tell us what federal wilderness bills you've been successful in passing in the 21st century?

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Same as everyone else, C-Girl -- none (0.00 / 0)


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50 million acres cowgirl... (0.00 / 0)
Of course George can respond to cowgirl if he cares too...but if there is a more accomplished and successful environmental lobbyists in the history of the State of Montana who's name isn't Ochenski please name them for us cowgirl.

Sure seems as if a bunch of us wilderness and forest advocates worked our tails off during much of the 80s and throughout the 90s to bring attention to the massive roadbuilding and logging program of the Forest Service, especially as it concerned incursions into roadless wildlands.  We fought those timber sales with science, law and public pressure.  Sometimes our community of dedicated activists would take to the woods to physically prevent the Forest Service and timber companies from building roads or cutting down old-growth forests in roadless areas.

Because of the years of work by many dedicated activists, organizations and scientists over 50 million acres of roadless areas on  national forests were granted additional levels of protection with the 2001 Roadless Area Conservation Rule. Now I completely understand that the Roadless Rule wasn't, and isn't perfect. It certainly doesn't provide the level of protections these areas ultimately deserve. However, as someone who pays pretty close attention to the Forest Service's management of our national forests it must be acknowledged that Forest Service projects involving industrial logging and roadbuilding in roadless wildlands have dropped exponentially over the past 20 years.

I should also mention that key members of our Last Best Place Wildlands Campaign were responsible for passing and implementing the Wilderness Act in the first place.  For example, Stewart Brandborg, a fourth-generation Montanan, is a founding member of the Last Best Place Wildland Campaign. Brandborg was just honored last month with an honorary PhD from the University of Montana for his lifetime of work protecting America's Wilderness Areas.   "Brandy" grew up in Montana's Bitterroot Valley, where his father served as the Supervisor of the Bitterroot National Forest from 1935 to 1955.  Brandy spent over a decade researching wildlife in the Bob Marshall, Selway-Bitterroot and Frank Church-River of No Return Wilderness areas and he was later employed as a wildlife biologist with the Forest Service and state wildlife agencies in Montana and Idaho. From 1964 to 1976, Brandborg served as executive director of The Wilderness Society.   Brandborg played an instrumental roll in the passage of America's Wilderness Act in 1964 and other landmark public land legislation, including groundwork for the Alaska National Interest Lands Conservation Act. In total, 60 million acres of Wilderness was protected under Brandy's watch.

Or how about Bill Worf, another founding member of our LBPWC? Bill Worf was born in 1926 on a homestead in Eastern Montana and grew up on a ranch through the Great Depression. When World War II came along, Worf left high school to join the Marines. He fought in the battle of Iwo Jima. Worf joined the Forest Service in 1950, becoming Supervisor of the Bridger National Forest in Wyoming. When the Wilderness Act passed in 1964, Worf was hand-picked to head the Forest Service's national development of Regulations and Policy for implementation of the Wilderness Act. In 1969, he was assigned to the Regional Office in Missoula as Director for Wilderness, Recreation and Lands, a position he retired from in 1981.  Think Worf might know a thing or two about Wilderness policy and management?

Other key members of our LBPWC were responsible for getting the Rattlesnake designated as Wilderness.  And a number of our members worked with Senator Lee Metcalf in the late 70s to help him pass the Montana Wilderness Study Act, which offered protection to special wildlands in Southwest Montana. Ironically and sadly, some of these Metcalf WSA's would be released under Tester's FJRA. Thanks.


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I ask because I want to learn. (0.00 / 0)
And I appreciate the discussion.  I hope folks don't decide to take it off line, as I think we could all benefit.

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Hyperbole, much? (0.00 / 0)
"Jon Tester has established what is probably the most transparent legislative effort in the history of the Congress"

Sounds like something written by an apprentice spokesman.

Sadly ... (0.00 / 0)
and I mean that, it might also actually be true, regardless of what it "sounds like".

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Then there is Tester's duplicity (0.00 / 0)
from a year ago:  http://www.newwest.net/topic/a...

Pretty complete rundown of the Man.  Pbear writes:  

of all the double-dealing, slick card sharp tricks, this takes the cake. jon is learning at the devil(baucus's) knee and he is a quick study. i'll give him that.



Tester to unveil new forest bill draft details Thursday (0.00 / 0)
Senate ENR Committee approves 26 bills this week, just not Sen Tester's (0.00 / 0)
I had to chuckle a little when I read the comments from Mr. Furshong, MWA's FJRA organizer over at George Wuerthner's excellent perspective piece on Tester's bill over at NewWest.net titled "Tester's Response Poor Strategy"  http://www.newwest.net/topic/a...

Mr. Furshong stated:

"Wilderness philosophers from other states can postulate all they want about Montana politics - such chatter will never result in actual legislation to protect 500,000 acres of ground in the largest National Forest in the lower 48 states and create new jobs at Montana mills that have a record of stewardship best practices.

You know what? Mr. Furshong's dismissive comment is striking when compared with the fact that just this week the Senate's Energy and Natural Resources Committee approved 26 bills establishing new Wilderness areas and dealing with other public lands issues. Those 26 bills were approved by the ENR Committee en bloc, by unanimous consent.

Reader's will recall that Senator Tester's FJRA is currently before this same Senate ENR Committee. Sometime in May, the ENR Committee sent Senator Tester a draft revision of this bill, which his office shared with the collaborators. Once the media questioned Senator Tester about the ENR's draft he proclaimed it "Dead on arrival."

So now, on June 20, the Senate ENR Committee approved 26 bills dealing with Wilderness and public lands issues

Something I'd encourage Wilderness supporters to consider is the very likely fact that if Senator Tester and the collaborators (Mr. Furshong and MWA included) would have accepted the ENR Committee's draft revisions when they were shared about a month ago, it too would have been approved by the Committee this week.

So despite Mr. Furshong's claim that "such chatter will never result in actual legislation" it sure seems to me that MWA and the other collaborator's insistence on mandated logging and motors in Wilderness might have cost all of us the opportunity to designate over 660,000 acres as Wilderness and get some good restoration and fuel reduction work accomplished as proposed in the ENR Committee's draft.

Some details of the ENR Committee's draft:

• It would protect over 660,000 acres in Montana as Wilderness. However, it doesn't undermine Wilderness by allowing military helicopters to land in Wilderness or ranchers to ride their ATV's in Wilderness, as Senator Tester's draft allows.

• It drops the controversial and unprecedented mandated logging levels on the Beaverhead-Deerlodge and Kootenai National Forests. It adds language requiring that any project carried out under the bill must fully maintain old growth forests and retain large trees, while focus any hazardous fuel reduction efforts on small diameter trees.

• It would also establish a "National Forest Jobs and Restoration Initiative" that would "preserve and create local jobs in rural communities...to sustain the local logging and restoration infrastructure and community capacity...to promote cooperation and collaboration...to restore or improve the ecological function of priority watersheds...to carry out collaborative projects to restore watersheds and reduce the risk of wildfires to communities." Much of this work would be carried out through stewardship contracting.


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