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Howard Dean opposes Manhattan Islamic center

by: Jay Stevens

Thu Aug 19, 2010 at 08:14:03 AM MST


So, much to the surprise of many First Amendment advocates, Howard Dean came out as saying he thinks the controversial Islamic Center shouldn't be built.

Why?

My argument is simple. This Center may be intended as a bridge or a healing gesture but it will not be perceived that way unless a dialogue with a real attempt to understand each other happens. That means the builders have to be willing to go beyond what is their right and be willing to talk about feelings whether the feelings are 'justified' or not....

Hm.

There's definitely a weird and widespread xenophobia that's infected the country since 9/11. And certainly the malaise won't just go away if the Islamic Center is built, as is the right of the builders. Private property, First Amendment, etc & co. Building the center isn't the solution to the problem. In fact, if it's built, many will feel it's been shoved down the throats of Americans, many of whom agree with the mosque opponents. In this I agree.

But, then. There are problems with the presumption that stopping construction would necessarily lead to a better outcome. First, "dialog"? What planet is Dean living on? How do you have a "dialog" with the likes of Pam Geller? And then there's the little ugly fact that the halt of construction would give mosque opponents a kind of public relations "victory," and would give the illusion to the media and public that they were in the right. In short, it would be a very bad precedent, possibly heralding a new era of religious intolerance.

IMHO, the best case scenario is that construction hangs in limbo for weeks or months. Reasonable viewpoints don't thrive so well in the pell-mell modern-day news cycle. But make the issue simmer on the burner for a few weeks, and cooler heads will probably prevail...

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"Dialogue" (0.00 / 0)
 I think you have found the problem here. Dominant, hegemonic discourses versus "democratic dialogue". We speak of "national conversations" and debate as though they were realities but if we un-pack these terms, and the notion of politics more generally , I believe you will find them subverted by relations of economic power.

We are witnessing the FOX News-ification of discourse, a not-so-unique mobilization of propaganda in defence of capital. Not that I'm harkening back to some Golden Age of authentic citizenship and politics but we are all Spectators now. By pretending democracy and capitalism can co-exist liberals avoid the hard day of reckoning.


LMAO (0.00 / 0)

Nancy Pelosi came out saying they should start investigations on the people opposing the mosque - talk about starting a Democrat civil war - LOL

people in the GOP have excellent contacts in saudi arabia (0.00 / 0)
and everyone knows that no mosque is ever built or even planned without saudi money behind it.

i leave it for the discerning reader to draw a straight line here. what political party gains by creating this controversy?

republicans are pretty ignorant and disgustingly traitorous as long as they can make a buck. but democrats are pretty gullible and dumb sometimes about walking into their traps.
again and again......

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...


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Hmmm? (0.00 / 0)

How is NancyPelosi wanting to start investigations of Howard Dean (and 70% of Americans) because he opposes any mosque at ground zero a Republican trap?

Why are those darn crickets.... (0.00 / 0)
so damned loud?

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You sure can twist up a story (0.00 / 0)
to fit your narrative.

Pelosi doesn't want to investigate those who oppose the mosque, like Dean. She wants to see who is funding a well organized, and media (Fox "News") driven story that is intended to be just another republican wedge issue.

Trying to equate Pelosi's actions with that of wingnut Michelle Bachman, who accused Congress of being anti-american (gee, I thought that "representatives" were like "elected" by the people), and should be investigated is really pulling at straws. And then taking those straws and building a big nasty straw-woman.


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