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"Bush wasn't an aberration"

by: Jay Stevens

Wed Sep 29, 2010 at 09:13:22 AM MST


One of the excellent, new b'bird bloggers - Duganz - already touched on Obama's remarks from his Rolling Stone interview, in which Obama that progressives "need to shake off this lethargy. People need to buck up....If people now want to take their ball and go home, that tells me folks weren't serious in the first place."

It's not the first message from the White House chiding lefties to get over themselves and come back to the polls in November. In Madison this week, Obama urged students to vote in the mid-terms. "The biggest mistake we can make," said the President, "is to let disappointment or frustration lead to apathy and indifference." And, of course, V-P Biden urged Democrats to "remind our base constituency to stop whining," saying the president has done "an incredible job."

Well...er...hm. I now turn to Peter Daou who, in a post excoriating the Obama administration over its invocation of state secrets in request to dismiss a lawsuit against the assassination order out on US citizen al-Aulaqui, explains why it is liberal bloggers and progressive activists don't "stop whining":

Virtually all the liberal bloggers who have taken a critical stance toward the administration have one thing in common: they place principle above party. Their complaints are exactly the same complaints they lodged against the Bush administration. Contrary to the straw man posed by Obama supporters, they aren't complaining about pie in the sky wishes but about tangible acts and omissions, from Gitmo to Afghanistan to the environment to gay rights to secrecy and executive power...

As president, Obama has done much good and has achieved a number of impressive legislative victories. He is a smart, thoughtful and disciplined man. He has a wonderful family. His staff (many of whom I've worked with in past campaigns) are good and decent people trying to improve their country and working tirelessly under extreme stress. But that doesn't mean progressives should set aside the things they've fought for their entire adult life. It doesn't mean they should stay silent if they think the White House is undermining the progressive cause....

From gay rights to executive power to war to the environment, the left increasingly believes the Obama White House lacks the moral courage to undo Bush's radicalism. If anything, the Aulaqi case is an indication Obama will go further than Bush to "prove" his strength.

When the Obama administration appeared to collude with BP to bury the Gulf spill, squandering a historic opportunity to reverse the anti-green tide, it was a moment of truth for environmentalists. Now, it is dawning on some Americans that Bush wasn't an aberration and that a Democratic administration will also treat fundamental rights as a mere nuisance.

Point.

We'll let Kevin Drum take the counter-point:

If you're, say, Glenn Greenwald, I wouldn't expect you to buy Obama's defense at all. All of us have multiple interests, but if your primary concern is with civil liberties and the national security state, then the problem isn't that Obama hasn't done enough, it's that his policies have been actively damaging. There's just no reason why you should be especially excited about either his administration or the continuation of the Democratic Party in power.

On the other hand, if your critique is the broader and more common one - that Obama has moved in the right direction but has been too quick to compromise and hasn't accomplished enough - then I think you should take his defense of his record way, way more seriously. It's all too easy...to convince yourself that he could have waved a magic wand and gotten a bigger stimulus and a better healthcare bill and stronger financial regulation and a historic climate bill. But honestly, you have to buy into some pretty implausible political realities to believe that (Olympia Snowe would have voted for a trillion-dollar stimulus, there were Republican votes for a climate bill if only it had been a bigger priority, healthcare reform could have been passed via reconciliation, Harry Reid could have unilaterally ended the filibuster, etc.). The votes just weren't there and the president's leverage over centrist Dems and recalcitrant Republicans just wasn't very strong. Maybe he could have done better, but the evidence says that, at best, he could have done only a smidge better.

Putting aside Drum's creepy, amoral dismissal of civil rights as a "primary concern" for a few dedicated individuals, he's got a point. The real stumbling block of reform and institutional change has been the Senate. When the Obama team pats itself on the back for its accomplishments - a stimulus bill, the bailout, financial reg, healthcare - it's because it was d*mn hard to get those bills passed. And they did it.

But...assassination programs against US citizens isn't nothing. Foot-dragging on DADT isn't nothing, nor was his administration's offensive defense of DOMA. His near absence in the healthcare debate wasn't nothing - some pressure here and there might have got us a public option. But that's assuming he even supported a public option, and you get the feeling he didn't. And who can forget the sordid back-room deal the administration cut with Big Pharma? Which is to say, these things matter, and they haven't been entirely out of Obama's hands.

And then there's Drum mulling over the alternative:

Well, if the prospect of ripping apart healthcare reform, shutting down the government, deep sixing START, slashing social spending, and reliving the glory days of investigations over Christmas card lists isn't enough to get you motivated, I guess I'm not sure what is.

Whee.

Jay Stevens :: "Bush wasn't an aberration"
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The "successes" you are claiming (0.00 / 0)
Are not successes to the majority of Americans. Show me one poll that indicates the majority of Americans see the HCR as a "success". Show me one poll that shows that the majority of Americans see the stimulus package or the bailouts as a "success". These are NOT the feathers in your cap that you are presenting here... in fact, to a lot of us (myself included), they are indications that the Democrats in Congress are wishy washy, incapable of actually accomplishing anything and completely in the pocket of big business.

Unlike some, I don't blame Obama (though his leadership has appeared to be..... lacking). Who I do blame is the idiots in Congress that seem to have had thier backbones removed. I can guarentee you, I won't be voting for Baucus again and I probably won't be supporting Tester again, either. You all better pray that the Repubs don't run a strong candidate against Obama, too....


Agreed... (0.00 / 0)
...sorry if that was unclear. I meant just getting a bill passed was hard work, and they did it, that was all. From your usual myopic Beltway staffer view, that's "success." I was considering putting in a sentence about how, even tho' they passed stuff, the legislation was flawed...and I do blame the Senate for the failings...

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success? success would have been (0.00 / 0)
forcing republicans to go ahead and stop the passage of a popular bill by voting nay on cloture and against a decent HCR bill. dem idiots played right into repubs hands by passing a bill everyone knows is written by the health insurance industry.that is just embarrassing and dumb.

it would have been much better to have failed and blamed the republicans - and if dem idiots had done that we would be discussing how many seats we would be stealing away from the dying elephant instead of diving into the bushes this election.

it was a success alright..... if you are a republican.
they must be ordering champagne by the shipload thanks to dem idiots.


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HCR definitely flawed, but fixable in the long run. (0.00 / 0)
I agree that the HCR bill isn't what most people hoped for, but we all seem to conveniently forget that as certain items contained in the bill come into play, that they can be tinkered with, amended, eliminated or fixed.  That part of the HCR bill is good--it will be a living law that will be "fixed" as time goes on.

President Obama is not God, and he can't fix everything in his first year in office, nor in his second year, and not perhaps in his first four years.  But he does have the interest, knowledge, and ambition to keep on championing forward on tough issues.  Without even token Republican support, it is tough to get stuff done.  The public needs to take a deep breath and come to terms with the fact that the economy didn't get into this sorry mess in a short period of time, and it will take far more than a short period of time for it to become healthy again.

I don't want to see the likes of a Christine O'Connell from Delaware taking up space in Congress, for the likes of this uneducated, naive, religious zealot doesn't have much to offer other than opinions that the "left" has co-mingled humans with mice to form a mouse with a human brain; that masturbation is an over-whelming problem that must be immediately addressed by the U.S. government, and other idiotic ideas.  Heaven help this country if the likes of Christine O'Donnell and Sarah Palin gain the majority in Congress--we will be headed back to the dark ages.


Fixable? (0.00 / 0)
Tell me how Congress is going to undo the mandate to purchase private insurance, and instate a public option or single payer universal system in its place???

Massive victory, huge mandate, control of both houses of congress, and a seemingly populist president. That's what got us a regressive mandate building on a flawed system.

And you think that anytime soon we're going to approach those same conditions and actually do something progressive with health care reform?

I think that this attitude is delusional. But sure, congress might twiddle with the little details of the private "uniquely american" system of health care that the last legislative battle cemented into place. Whoopee..

And again , democrats are looking at this through rose colored glasses thinking that progressives on the left are only upset about a few legislative battles. It's all of the stuff that Obama has direct control over--foreign policy, running the wars, state secrets, guantanamo, DADT, civil liberty abuses, spying, killing, renditions, etc., things that really piss off progressives, no matter who's in power.

Because there is scant difference between how Obama is conducting his administration and Bush's in so many ways that it is really depressing to people who care about those things. And those are things he could do something about. As FDR said: do something for your base [even if you really can't stand them, but you need their votes anyways]. And Obama could do something for them. He chooses not to, instead choosing to lambast them and set them up as the fall guy for when the november elections favor republican. And we can hear Obama say the equivalent of Bush's "We got an old fashionded thumpin'".

FWIW I think Peter Daou's take for the most part iis really enlightening. And given his position of respect among the electeds, and elected-wannabees, maybe someone will take his words to heart.


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Hmmm? (0.00 / 0)
Tell me how Congress is going to undo the mandate to purchase private insurance, and instate a public option or single payer universal system in its place???

A vote?  JC, that's a really ridiculous question.  You show me how a Republican led Congress which has already pledged to strip the only cost saving measures from the HCR bill, will accomplish anything other than what you already falsely accuse the Democratic Congress of passing.  (Demands of each other are really kind of annoying.  Let's just agree that we aren't going to do that, okay?)

foreign policy,

Sorry, any treaty has to be ratified by Congress.  And I'm stunned that you aren't impressed with our SOS.  She's done yeoman's work.  But I guess that's not really Obama's good is it?

running the wars,

Fair complaint.

state secrets

Again, within the purview of Congress, as supported by the judiciary.

guantanamo

The closing of which was voted down by the Senate 98-0.  Because none of those assholes wanted to actually put the detainees on trial while holding them on US soil.

DADT

Again, I point you to Congress.  Obama has done exactly what he said he'd do, which was study for a year.  You expected that he would just wizard the solution up and say "enough" when the majority of the Senate would overrule him?

civil liberty abuses

Right. Acorn, Black panthers.  Do be specific.

spying

Again, a fair point.

killing

???

renditions

Actually, it looks like that's been much curtailed.

JC, you're willing to absolve Congress by apathy ("Tell me how Congress is going to undo the mandate to purchase private insurance blah, blah blah") and still blame the President for what you appear to have little interest in holding Congress accountable for.  If your problem is depression, then I think it's a somewhat personal matter.


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Ok, so I was sloppy (0.00 / 0)
cuz I was in a hurry.

In a nutshell, the white house has a lot it could do to feed its base, and the various factions of it. It has chosen to lambast those whose criticism it doesn't want to hear, instead of acknowledging the disconnect between what it said it was going to do (outside of congress) and what it is doing.

Many people don't like the attitude, "leadership", and tactics that Obama has chose to use in his legislative dealings. Again, the characteristics and rhetoric he used during the campaign did not rub off on his legislative endeavors.

The continued demand that trying to pass off a mandate that people buy private insurance, and is enforced by the IRS as something progressive is tantamount to just flipping them the bird. I have stated endlessly over the whole HC debate that the mandate for private insurance is regressive (actually, I called it fascist), and would come back to haunt Obama and dems. Well, that prediction has come true. So why must I still endure people flipping me off for my principles, when I have clearly stated them through this debate on HC?

Obama is trying to declare that he has satisfied 70% of his legislative agenda. Well, I'd clarify that while they have tackled 70% of his legislative agenda, but only accomplished less than 50% of the work that was needed on them. And I don't see this Congress, or any in the near future being able to address those neglected elements in legislation that has passed.

If Obama wants to get his progressive base on the left onboard, he is going to have to acknowledge his and Congress' deficiencies and how he is going to address them, otherwise, the people who are paying attention are going to see right through his charades. They want him to be honest about the challenges we face, and that lay before us. That's called leadership, it takes guts, and it has been in scarce supply as of late.

As it is, I feel like Obama and the dems are acting like a bunch of used car salesmen, trying to sell us all a lemon, when the warts are totally visible for all to see, if they cared to look. And a coat of wax ain't going to help. Send the car in for some diagnostics, fix what needs to be fixed, and put it back on the lot. Maybe the left will then take another look and the dialog coming out of the blogs will change.

But any hints (and their are tons of it) of setting up the left to take the fall for when/if the elections go as bad as it seems they are going to do will further push the left away. And when/if Obama and dems continue to blame them for the 2010 wipeout, it doesn't bode well in 2012 for Obama's reelection.  Obama and dems are their own worst enemy right now, when it comes to unifying the dem party by bringing in the progressive left, and lefty independents.


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~sigh~ (0.00 / 0)
I for one am getting really fracking tired of Anwar Al-Awlaki becoming a cause celeb for progressives, most of whom said jack-shit when the Military Commissions act passed.  Lets deal with few facts, shall we?

Yes he is an "American citizen".  So what?  American citizens have been tried before, in absentia, for the crime of Treason.  Y'all know what that is, right?  The penalty for treason is death, though America at times has been vastly more merciful in it's application than other countries often have been.  Is the problem that we haven't tried him for what he is obviously guilty of?  Oh yeah, Barack Hussien Obama hasn't tried the guy without his presence when every fricking one of us knows that Al-Awlaki is guilty of Treason.

This "assassination program" bullshit is just that. BULLSHIT.  This guy has been targeted because he is willfully targeting Americans for death.  But we have laws, you wail.  Yes we do, and enemies who call for our death are targeted.  Deal with it.  Do any of you actually believe that the Obama administration will target you because you don't agree with them?  The Teapublicants do.  And apparently many of you do as well.  Welcome to the fear zone.  


trial? (0.00 / 0)
Give him a trial in absentia. That would be cool. That's the point. I blogged my *ss off about this for almost 5 years now.

Do I have to explain why it's bad that the president -- not Congress or a jury of peers -- gets to designate which Americans can be denied their rights and their lives, without any appeal to the law?

It's not that I think I'm going to be targeted. But there's no way I trust a president with that kind of power. Mistakes -- or worse -- will be made. Remember Bush? Remember how all sorts of innocent folks got swept up in Afghanistan and sent to Gitmo? Remember Abu Ghraib? Most of 'em weren't terrorists.

Any kind of system like that is going to be abused and mishandled. And it's wrong. It's easy to scoff at it because it isn't happening to you or me, but it doesn't make any less wrong. And it's being done in our name. Count me out.


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Habeus corpus died with the MCA (0.00 / 0)
I'm not disagreeing with the principle, Jay.  You, and I, have been freaking about it for years.  What I was reacting to is what I sense as a far too delayed progressive over-reaction to a specific case, a case the likes of which was the very focus of passing the MCA in the first place.  Further, it is being used as another club with which to beat Rhambama by the likes of the Firebaggers.

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point taken... (0.00 / 0)
Kinda like how I feel every time I see a "Free Mumia" sign...

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Wow (0.00 / 0)
"Yes we do, and enemies who call for our death are targeted."

You finally admit that America has enemies - I'm impressed.
The way you rallied against the war on terror had caused me to lose hope for you - LOL.

Keep paying attention Rob - you're making progress.

In another 50 or 60 years I'll have you voting for conservatives.


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Sorry to Come Late (0.00 / 0)
I guess I should just give up on my efforts to drop the blog habit.

There was plenty, plenty, of opposition to the MCA, especially among progressives disappointed in Obama.  Certainly all the ones I know personally, anyway.  The habeas provision was a very close vote in the Senate (as it had been in the DTA in November 2005).  But anyway, the Supreme Court struck down the very provision of the MCA dealing with habeas.  They haven't yet been asked to consider the section of the MCA dealing with the Geneva Conventions -- that's probably going to be offered this term, though.

The main part of the MCA, setting up new MCs in the wake of having the last version thrown out, is still in effect.  But its an abject failure, unless you count minor sentences for cooks and drivers to be some kind of success.

I agree that closing the prison is made much more difficult by Congress.  But the suspension of sending prisoners -- even those long since cleared for release (under Bush, and then re-cleared under Obama) -- home to Yemen is purely Executive.  And purely domestic US politics.

The state secrets business is shocking, and unforgivable.  The Reynolds doctrine should have been completely discredited by the revelation that it was based on lies.  Oh well.  

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