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BREAKING NEWS: Activists lock down MT Gov's office over oil pipeline

by: Matthew Koehler

Tue Jul 12, 2011 at 12:09:08 PM MST


(I remain confused about what 'principle' is being supported by trashing the State House.  Perhaps it can be explained in comments.   - promoted by Rob Kailey)

According to the Great Falls Tribune:

"More than 100 environmental activists from across the country descended on Gov. Brian Schweitzer's office Tuesday to demand that he rescind his support for the Keystone XL oil pipeline and the Exxon Mobile megaload transportation project.

Schweitzer met with the rowdy group of activists in the reception room of his office, but refused to meet their demands. Activists from Northen Rockies Rising Tide, Earth!First and other environmental groups said last week's rupture of an Exxon Mobile pipeline that fouled dozens of miles of the Yellowstone River downstream of Laurel is a prime example of why Schweitzer should "toss big oil out of Montana."

Great Falls Tribune reporter John S. Adams is, apparently, on scene and, according to his Montana Lowdown blog, will "have more on this as the day goes on, including photos and video from today's protest in Gov. Brian Schweitzer's office."

On Monday, Adams took a deeper look into the issue with his post, "Schweitzer still supports oil sands/Keystone XL despite tough talk on Yellowstone oil spill."

UPDATE from Reuters:

Montana pipeline spill may have carried oil sands crude

"An Exxon Mobil pipeline that ruptured, leaking oil into Yellowstone River, may have sometimes carried a heavier and more toxic form of crude than initially thought, federal regulators said on Thursday.

The U.S. Transportation Department's Pipeline and Hazardous Materials Safety Administration spokeswoman Patricia Klinger said her office had learned that the pipeline may have been used to carry heavier crude.

"I just found out that apparently, and the regional folks just found out, there is an interconnect on the pipeline that possibly does carry some oil out of Canada," she said in response to a question about tar sands crude in the pipeline....

Tar sands crude may cause more wear and tear on pipes because of its chemical makeup, including corrosive and abrasive agents, said Tom Finch, the pipeline administration's technical services director for the western regional office.

Federal inspectors were trying to determine if transport of tar sands crude could have triggered internal corrosion that may have played a role in the rupture, he said....

Richard Opper, head of the Montana Department of Environmental Quality, said he was surprised to learn the pipeline buried in the streambed of the Yellowstone may sometimes have moved tar sands crude from Canada.

"If the question is, did we know it was carrying tar sands oil? Hell, no," he said in an interview on Thursday. "If companies are changing the kinds of materials in pipelines to mixes that make them more likely they will leak or rupture, that raises huge concerns."

Entire story at:
http://www.reuters.com/article...

Update #2: July 19 - Judge stops transport of giant oilfield equipment through western Montana

The Missoulian is reporting:

A district court judge has upheld a request by Missoula County and three conservation groups to stop the Kearl Module Transportation Project - and its trucking of giant oilfield equipment modules through western Montana.

Judge Ray Dayton of Anaconda issued his decision to partially grant a preliminary injunction against the Montana Department of Transportation and Imperial Oil/Exxon Mobil shortly before 5 p.m. Tuesday.

Dayton ruled that the transportation department was out of line in approving Imperial's proposal to transport an unprecedented 200 Korean-made megaloads of processing equipment to the Kearl Oil Sands in Alberta, Canada, via U.S. Highway 12, Highway 200 and other two-lane roads in Montana.

He agreed with the county and its co-plaintiffs - the National Wildlife Federation, the Montana Environmental Information Center and the Montana Chapter of the Sierra Club - that MDT violated the Montana Environmental Policy Act because it approved an insufficient environmental assessment.

The plaintiffs maintained that the transportation department "failed to adequately consider impacts of the project and failed to adequately consider reasonable alternatives."

Among his points, Dayton said the impact of turnouts constructed along the route could not be fully determined because MDT couldn't say which ones were permanent and which ones were temporary.

He ruled that the environmental assessment didn't analyze whether construction at a similar cost along an interstate route was a feasible alternate. And he said MDT didn't take a "hard look" at the environmental impacts of the Kearl project because it relied on the work of a private consulting firm, Tetra Tech, which was hired by Imperial Oil.

Dayton said he could not rescind encroachment permits already issued by the transportation department.

"The practical effect of this ruling is that ... activity which requires no further permitting or authorization from MDT may legally proceed," Dayton wrote. "However, as issuance of further 32-J permits, and any other permits ... are hereby preliminarily enjoined, construction would be at Imperial Oil's peril, as it may ultimately be determined that such further permitting will be permanently enjoined."

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Nothing says Progressive like... (0.00 / 0)
making fun of activists engaged in civil disobedience against big oil and tar sands.

I'm don't do Twitter, but this just arrived in my in-box.

Nothing says "Progressive" like openly and gleefully making fun of activists willing to engage in civil disobedience against big oil, Exxon, the Keystone XL pipeline and tar sands for their choice of hats or perfume, right?

Something tells me that the Montana farmers, ranchers and landowners who live along the proposed Keystone XL pipeline are raising a toast tonight to EarthFirst! and Northern Rockies Rising Tide activists. See: http://www.newwest.net/topic/a...

Too bad some folks would rather focus on trucker hats, patchouli and shredded paper, rather than the real issues at stake with Exxon's mega-loads, the tar sands and the Keystone XL Pipeline.

From Don Pogreba's tweet feed:

I'm just saying...I hope that the Earth Firsters keep protesting for a while in the rain.

I was headed to the Capitol for the redistricting meeting but I am too allergic to patchouli and self-righteous self-promotion to risk it.

Someone should definitely pick up all that shredded paper those environmentalists left behind on the floor of the Capitol. #protest

It's always important to capture your anti-consumption protest on your smartphone so you can post it on Facebook.

Nothing says I am a serious protester like wearing a stylish trucker hat.



And jumping on a table says "Progressive"? (0.00 / 0)
Much more like "regressive" when over-privileged white kids trash the people's property because they aren't getting their way.

Civil disobedience is standing against an injustice regardless of consequence.  That's noble.  Having a fucking a temper tantrum because you don't get your way is not 'civil disobedience'.  The Keystone XL pipeline is not an injustice.  It's the result of commerce, a result that could have been avoided if more of your style of progressives had actually done something when it mattered, instead of dancing on tables and trashing the people's property.

Didn't you idiots learn anything from the Wisconsin protests?  Over a hundred thousand people took control of the Capitol building and capitol hill in Madison for weeks.  Because of that, we are seeing an historical recall effort today.  But that protest was civil.  They didn't trash the place or act like buffoons.  And they sure as hell didn't turn immediately to attacking those sympathetic to their cause, like you just did.  This so-called protest today wasn't civil disobedience. It was self-indulgent twaddle.

Something tells me that the Montana farmers, ranchers and landowners who live along the proposed Keystone XL pipeline are raising a toast tonight to EarthFirst! and Northern Rockies Rising Tide activists.

Your fantasies perhaps? Find one, Koehler.  Quote that one here.  Those farmers, ranchers and land owners weren't at the protest today, were they?  And the message that they get from the news, even John Adams, isn't going to be that someone stood for their concerns.  It's going to be that a bunch of rowdy kid hippies scragged the capitol and cost us all money so they could party for a cause they don't really care about, as long as they get a "there I was in the Congo" story.  That's pretty much precisely what just got presented on the evening news in Montana.  You know why that's the message?  Because it's pretty much the truth.  Today's "protest" (derision quotes well deserved) wasn't about changing public policy or defending the rights of Montanans.  It was nothing more than self-indulgence.  That's the story and the media is sticking to it (of course, always walking that fine line of 'impartiality').

It's probably just my own naivety, but I like to think that eventually the 'principled' left will figure out that one whole helluva lot of us agree with them ideologically, we just don't agree with your behavior.  You don't follow the Twitter.  Fine.  But the Montana right is already using today's events to hurt what all of us desire.  The antics of fools in the capitol today just handed the right a cudgel to club us all with.  Progressives aren't idiots.  We know who to blame for not getting what we want.  We will blame the stupid antics of those who make us all look bad.  Simply put, you convince others that our positions are silly, or destructive.  With 'friends' like those you attempt to promote, we don't need more enemies, because they've just given those enemies we have everything they need.  And you attack Pogie for this.  You and those kids in the capitol aren't 'friends', Matthew.  You are the sociopaths we need to get through to somehow get the progress we really desire, and at heart you really don't.


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Rob, you must have failed to notice (0.00 / 0)
that I wrote:

"I may not agree with exactly everything that was done or said at the protest,"

Furthermore, I wasn't even at the protest and I didn't even know about the protest until I read about it on-line. So please be a little more careful when you direct towards me, lines such as "we just don't agree with your behavior."


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That wan't indescreet at all, Matthew (0.00 / 0)
Your behavior has the same effect as that of those who got their freak on in Helena today.  I don't really care whether you 'agree' or not with the protesters at the Capitol.  It's a moot point when you go out of your way to endorse such behavior.  (To be honest, that was one of the more pleasant things I learned in Minneapolis.  I'm not the only one who thinks so.)  I have no onus to "more careful".  That would be your responsibility.

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Robbie, your hatred blinds you to the fact that I have not... (0.00 / 0)
as you claim:

"go[ne] out of your way to endorse such behavior."

I never did that. Once again, I wrote "I may not agree with exactly everything that was done or said at the protest." Your failure to acknowledge this fact, while you appear comfortable blaming people who weren't even at a protest, much less had no knowledge of its existence, is just bizarre. Please knock it off.

P.S. I don't dance on tables, Rob.  


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Your correction is pointless. (0.00 / 0)
If you continue with a behavior, it's still present tense.

And if you don't bounce up and down on tables, what was your threat?  You did tell us:  "You folks better back off with your mocking scorn."

Why?  You will vandalize our names?  Ooooh, I'm so scared!


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Rob, did you post this same comment during the WI capitol protests? (0.00 / 0)
(I remain confused about what 'principle' is being supported by trashing the State House.  Perhaps it can be explained in comments.   - promoted by Rob Kailey)

I don't seeing a similar comment from your back then. What's the difference this time? Was the Montana capitol "trashed" more than the Wisconsin capital during their protests? Or are we seriously judging people on their appearance, social-economic status, hair-style, etc while we ignore the important issues at hand? Oh, that's right. Some of the Montana bloggin' types have decided to make dedicated environmental activists the devil this election cycle.

Personally, I'm glad that a group of dedicated activists took direct action in the Montana state house today. They risked a lot to take a strong, correct stand for Montana's future and we owe them gratitude and some respect.  I may not agree with exactly everything that was done or said at the protest, but seriously, you folks better back off with your mocking scorn.


Yes, Koehler (0.00 / 0)
Was the Montana capitol "trashed" more than the Wisconsin capital during their protests?

Yes, Koehler, it really was.  Follow the facts for once, would you?

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Sorry, can't help myself .. (0.00 / 0)
you folks better back off with your mocking scorn.

Really?!?  Or what?  Will you come over to my house and bounce up and down on my table?


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EarthFirst! (0.00 / 0)
And here I thought Kailey was all about the exclamation point and being in! your! face!....

A Chicken Is Not Pillage
I'm not ready to make nice.

You forgot his exclamation point! It defines him. He put it there for a reason, to show how in! your! face! he is.



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Bullshit First! (0.00 / 0)
Koehler, I know I'm stating what should be obvious except to the dim such as you.  Anyone who's going to be swayed by your personal attacks against me has already left this website.  You can bother, but most who reads it will likely think you a joke.

So, when can I expect you to show up and bounce on my table?  I'll clear it off and take video.  Is that really the worst threat you have, cupcake?  


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Why Schweitzer? (0.00 / 0)
I was confused when I read the article.  Why Schweitzer?  Is he not standing up to exxon like no other governor ever  before in history has done?  Why yes, he is as a matter of fact.  And to my mind, Schweitzer has very little to do with the pipeline.  Can he alone stop it?  I think not.

And really, ferchrissakes, the guv came out and MET with these protestors for half an hour or so.  That's just he kind of guy he is.  What OTHER guv in the country would do that?  None I'd say.  They would ALL have had these protestors run out by the cops immediately.

NONE of this so-called "protest" makes sense.  And then, to top it off, they brought out a banjo and started dancing on the tables!!  Not THAT'S real classy.  I'm thinkin' these dudes are a bunch-o dumbasses.

I'm thinkin' that maybe they wanted to draw attention to the tar sands project itself.  But they went about it all wrong.  They simply made themselves look like asses.  And that's never a good thing for an activist to do.  They accomplished nothing.  Hell,  NO ONE is more opposed to the tar sands project than I am, yet I felt NO sympathy nor allegiance with these people at all.  In fact, I was embarrassed that they call themselves  enviros.

Look, they had a meeting with the guv.  Was that really not enough?  I don't get it at all.  I'm really left wondering if it wasn't some sort of agent provocatuer deal.  It sure looks like it.  And if it was designed to get some bad press for enviros, it sure as hell worked!


That was a pathetic protest. (0.00 / 0)
Unfocused and ignorant.  Look, I have protested endless times. But if you're gonna protest, by GOD you gotta do your homework first.  You absolutely MUST know what you're talking about.  If you have to become an expert in heapleach gold minging, then so be it.  But what you do NOT do is have an audience with a governor and look like a complete fool!  There was not ONE legitimate question.

There is a time for outrage and anger.  But that is NOT your only weapon.  That was the only weapon these poor folks had at their disposal.  They blew it.

That was very painful to watch.  Schweitzer went WAY beyond the call of duty.  Someone needs to instruct these well-meaning folks on how to be activists.  Unfortunately, they did way more damage than good.


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National Coverage of Protest (0.00 / 0)
Larry, As I've stated here already, I wasn't at the protest and I didn't even know about the protest until I read about it on-line. I also will repeat that I do not agree with exactly everything that was done or said at the protest.

However, Larry, given that you and the other Environmental Rangers call for taking up arms to protect the environment you'll have to excuse me if I find that your "pathetic protest" meme lacks some credibility. Heck, last V-day I was at the Montana Capitol and one of your Environmental Ranger buddies was openly talking about armed insurrection and killing people right there in the Capitol Rotunda.  Good thing there were no reporters there to record the dialogue I guess.

Again, I don't agree with all aspects of this protest, however, based on the video footage I've seen, the whole thing seemed a little bit on the tame side, all things considered. I still haven't seen video proof that the Montana Capitol was "trashed" by the protesters.

Here are some links to some national media coverage of yesterday's "pathetic protest."

USA Today:  "Pipeline protesters hit Montana governor's office"
http://www.usatoday.com/news/n...

Democracy Now: "Environmental Activists Occupy Montana Governor's Office"
http://www.democracynow.org/20...

Free Speech Radio News: "Environmental activists occupy Montana governor's office over tar sands pipeline"
http://fsrn.org/audio/headline...


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And what was with that Human Rights Network Staffer (0.00 / 0)
That encouraged the protesters to pee on the Gov's staffers' chairs.  Talk about a way to hurt your cause rather than help it.  I found that really strange.  I thought the Governor was good on Human Rights.  Didn't he veto a bunch of the bills they opposed this session?

I gotta agree with Rob on this one. (0.00 / 0)
This did not do the Progressive left any favors. You really need to stop acting like children. It allows the public to forget the childish actions of the Republican Legislators during the session. Most of my right leaning friends are calling this "just another hippy tantrum". They are also talking about what this cost the public in damages etc. The protestors did not get their message across and definitely evoked negative feelings against their agenda by acting like children.

If you want to be taken seriously, act serious. If you want to be taken as an idiot/child/moron - act like an idiot/child/moron.  


Video coverage of the actual meeting, er protest (0.00 / 0)
The Montana Lowdown blog has the footage of the rally and meeting with the governor up on youtube here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

In the dialogue with the Governor presented on the video, you'll see plenty of very intelligent/informative questions and concerns expressed by the activists not only relating to the environmental impacts of megaloads, the tar sands and Keystone XL pipeline, etc but also related to the impact of these activities on indigenous communities in the US and Canada, on union workers, on people of color. It's a fact that plenty of social and economic justice concerns were expressed along with environmental concerns.

Unfortunately, a couple of times Governor Schweitzer thought his folksy humor would work with this group and that it would provide the answers they were seeking. It was clear, from the video, that Gov Schweitzer's actions and unwillingness or inability to answer some pretty straight-forward questions contributed to the frustrations expressed by some activists.

It's also a fact that, based on the video footage, that it was one piano player (who was quite good actually) who busted out a rag-time tune that prompted a total of about 10 people to dance on the table. By and large, the group of activists were pretty well-behaved and expressed lots of good points, concerns and questions. Claims by some leftie Montana bloggers that they "trashed" the Montana Capitol seem pretty over-blown to me, based on the video evidence.

Moving on, I'd be willing to bet that people like Pogie, Kailey and MT Cowgirl actually have very little experience working with EarthFirst! activists. I've been working with EarthFirst! activists over the years, staring in 1995 during the Warner Creek blockade on the Willamette National Forest (longest lasting road blockade in US History). A nice movie about that campaign was made by our friends a few years ago: http://video.google.com/videop...

Anyway, while Kailey apparently wants to put EarthFirst! activists in the "Principled Left" (whatever he defines that as) category, I actually know of no EarthFirst!ers who would consider themselves in such a way. To over-generalize, for the most part, the political philosophy of many EF!ers is anarchy with a big helping of Deep Ecology mixed in.

Over the years, EF! activists have successfully worked side by side union workers (Steelworkers, especially), people of color, the economically disadvantaged and indigenous people all over the place. EarthFirst! is not an organization so much as it is a mindset of those who consider themselves EF!ers during any given period.

I've given a few dozen media trainings to EarthFirst! activists over the years and some of those have been more successful than others. I also have experienced the joys, first hand, of having the actions of an individual or two derail a lot of hard work and strategy that we put into our campaigns.

For example, back in September 2000 Idaho Rep Helen Chenoweth was holding a Congressional field hearing at the U of Montana to lay the blame on the 2000 Bitterroot fires at the feet of enviros. I must have worked 80 hours that week to get a pre-hearing rally together at the UM on a Saturday morning that featured over 200 people. The rally went off as planned, we had great speakers and everyone at the rally was on-message with their signs, etc. We had a bank of TV cameras and other reporters covering our rally. Then we go into Urey Lecture Hall, the field hearing starts, and one EF!ers decides to toss a rotting salmon pie at Helen. Hmmm....what do you think the media coverage
focused on? Our rally got ZERO coverage, even though all the media was there and recording it like crazy. Was I frustrated? Sure was. Did I feel like all our hard work had gone for naught? Yep. Did I feel like we missed an opportunity to educate the public and take a stand? Of course.

However, it just never occurred to me that the best thing I was supposed to do as an activist was make fun of the way the pie thrower looked (he had dreads) or smelled (patchouli and wood smoke), or even really criticize his actions publicly. If someone is willing to risk it all (the pie thrower went to jail for quite some time) for something they believe strong in, who I am to criticize?

As such, for the most part, keeping EarthFirst! "on message" and "in line" is impossible and counter-productive. However, in my mind, what's also counter-productive is having people sitting in front of their computer tearing apart front-line activists. I mean, it's like the General back in the comfy tent bitching about the soldiers in the trenches getting shot!


Several things are rather amusing to me (0.00 / 0)
Members of the principled left now trying to distance themselves from these 'anarchists', just as they've tried to distance themselves from all others who agree with them that they deride as "centrists".

Members of the principled hypocrites left lauding the media coverage of the protest, while bitching about those of us who point out that media coverage was almost universally negative, thanks to these anarchists.  Promoting foolishness doesn't support a cause.  It hinders it; that's something the principled left seems to have a blind spot about.

I like Jamee Greer, a lot.  I thought his tweet was funny.  Yet the principled left will deride Pogie for his tweets, but remain completely silent about the same inappropriate thing from Jamee.  And then they have the laughable gall to accuse others of only acknowledging that they agree with.  In other words, to the PLs, we can only make fun of certain kinds of people, and they get to say which.  Wrongo, bucko.

The fact that the principled left can't figure out the difference between a front line activist, a soldier and an anarchist.  That actually makes me laugh out loud.

Koehler, you can bet nonexistent money until the cows come home about what I or any other have experience with.  (In my case you'd be wrong, but you won't bet anything real except a promise that you won't come to my house and jump on my table.)  The fact is, most of Montana now has experience of 'working with' Earth First! activists.  That experience doesn't help you, it doesn't help me, it doesn't help the farmers and ranchers and land owners you claimed so assuredly would be applauding these anarchists (noticing of course that you shut the fuck up about that the second you were asked to prove it.)  I can help you.  The farmers ranchers and land owners can help you.  Pogie can help you.  For Christ's sake, my brother the conservative could and probably would help you in your idealism.  But you would rather attack us and promote what you admit are anarchists even though we all want the same damned thing.  See, Koehler, people like you are why we can't have nice things.  It isn't the anarchists who are fucking up here.  It's you.


[ Parent ]
Robbie somehow I knew that in your cute mind (0.00 / 0)
the events that transpired (or didn't) at the EarthFirst! meeting/protest at the Montana Capitol - you know, the one I didn't even know about or even attend - would finally come down to a King Kailey proclamation "It isn't the anarchists who are fucking up here.  It's you."

Thank you for the laugh Robbie! Keep it up, bro!


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Matt, (0.00 / 0)
your tactics have proved so successful, ie. with Sen. Tester for example.  I'm beginning to understand a little better why folks react to you the way they do.  You folks  have NO clue as to what works and what doesn't.  And that's real sad.  The gravity of the eco situation does NOT require insanity.  The OTHER side is insane.  We enviros should not be also.

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We weren't always insane... (0.00 / 0)
Remember it was Nixon that got the clean air act passed as well as established the Environmental Protection Agency. We used to be the scientists that realised that we were messing up the earth. We may approach it from a financial standpoint, but the end result USED to be the same - save the planet, save ourselves.

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Sorry, Moorcat, (0.00 / 0)
but I wasn't refering to you. I was refering to the sick, sociopathic corporations.

[ Parent ]
For the record, Matthew (0.00 / 0)
You ain't my bro.  He's got four times the principles you have, and I know how hard he's worked to achieve even having them.  I also know how hard he's worked, and how much he's sacrificed, to support them.  You, on the other hand have only one principle well on display - promotion of Matthew Koehler.  You've traveled the whole of the Montana left-o-sphere promoting essentially yourself, while telling everyone how important you are for supporting anarchist jackasses and how lame (un-progressive) we are for recognizing the obvious.  They're jackasses, and we aren't prone to agree with you.  Your real beef isn't that no one sees how EARTH FIRTEST! actually accomplished something.  They didn't.  Your real beef is that folk must not point out the foolish behavior of people they don't like (you) if they agree with the ideal on the table.  The flip side is obvious.  If folk agree with an ideal then they must accept the stupidity of people who actually work to the detriment of what we want to accomplish (you).  No, Matthew.

I can't wait to get the T-shirt:

Organized Anarchists for Natural Order - Koehler Endorsed!


[ Parent ]
I didn't realize we're now making this about our brother's Rob... (0.00 / 0)
But, if that's the case with you, you can check out my brother Mike doing interviews this week on CNN, Al Jezeera, BBC, etc talking about the Murdoch bribery scandal. He's an attorney, professor of law at Butler University and a Foreign Corrupt Practices Act expert. What's so funny about these interviews is that he's doing them live via Skype from our childhood bedroom in Elkhart Lake, WI.

http://www.charter.net/video/p...

https://www.yousendit.com/dl?p...

Oh, and more sharing...Mike was the third all-time leading scorer in Wisconsin High School Basketball history. He had some mad game back in the day...could hit a shot from anywhere in the gym.  

http://www.wisbca.org/wbca2.as...

Anyway, your brother seems like a cool guy too Rob. Sorry it hasn't worked out between us. Better luck next time around maybe.

P.S. Thank you for not calling me a "liar" in this post Rob. I appreciate your tremendous restraint.


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Ohhh (0.00 / 0)
I'm so fucking impressed.

What might actually impress me is your brother, with verification, posting comment that you're not the black sheep bastard child.

Here's what I get from your comment, trust fund baby.  There are two Americas.  I live in one, and you live in the other.  Most of Montana lives in my America, and you want dominance over us.  I can't wait until the story breaks of your love child ...


[ Parent ]
So now because my brother... (0.00 / 0)
earns a basketball scholarship to college, graduates with honors and goes on to become a successful lawyer and expert that helps reign in foreign corruption by US Corporations...that somehow makes me a "trust fund baby?"

Too funny Kailey! My father, Jack Koehler, (who out of high school worked at the Kohler Company factory for 8 years before becoming an frickin house painter for nearly 40 years) built up quite the "trust fund" there Kailey!  All those long days scraping paint off of painted ladies perched way up on a ladder sure must have paid off for ole Pops to hand over that lush "trust fund," right Kailey?

And I'm sure all the other Koehlers in Sheboygan County, WI, you know, more factory workers, deli workers, bar tenders, waitress, etc, they all would love to get a piece of this "trust fund" that Kailey is so certain we have.

You know what Kailey? You're too precious. Your hatred of me just gets the best of you sometimes. Perhaps you're right, Kailey. I do live in one America (reality) and you do live in another (paranoia or __?). Thanks dude.

P.S. I've been "fixed" for about 10 years, so pretty sure they'll be no story about a "love child" coming from me.  


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And here's where the comedy comes to it's tragic end (0.00 / 0)
Kohler, I know you're not a trust fund baby.  You've written before about your daddy the house painter.  (I don't forget such things, but you apparently do.)  You did however prove my point.  Your 'principles' aren't in any way what you really value. What you value is yourself above all things.  And you really don't care who or how you hurt others, as long as Matthew Koehler remains of value to Matthew Koehler.  If someone disagrees with the vaunted Matthew Koehler, the first thing you do is defend yourself, not the ideal.

I don't hate you.  I think you're a fucking dick, and you're doing a great job of proving me right, here and elsewhere.


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Good to know how you feel, King Kailey (0.00 / 0)
P.S. Please come over to Missoula sometime and tell me this in person. I just really want to hear how it rolls off your tongue.

I don't hate you.  I think you're a fucking dick

P.P.S. My last name is spelled Koehler, not Kohler.  


[ Parent ]
Why don't you drive your sorry ass to Bozeman? (0.00 / 0)
You don't know me very well at all, Kohler.  I will (and have in similar circumstances) call you a fucking dick to your face.  But I'm not going to pay money for the satisfaction, asshole.  Why don't you?

[ Parent ]
Dear Left in the West Reader (0.00 / 0)
Kohler, I know you're not a trust fund baby.  You've written before about your daddy the house painter.  (I don't forget such things, but you apparently do.)

With this statement above, Rob Kailey has openly admitted to everyone here at LiTW that he doesn't shy away from 100% making stuff up and lying about you if he doesn't agree with what you are saying.  Future LiTW readers and commenters might want to keep Rob's behavior in mind before engaging him in this forum.  Thanks for being so transparent concerning your ability to just spread lies about people, Rob....and then trying to lecture me about "principles." Good Grief....


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Dear Matthew Kohler (0.00 / 0)
I know how your name is spelled.  I misspell it because that irritates you, and what irritates you amuses me.  Perhaps I should be more principled about it and call you Mattie or King Kohler.  To get to the point: you're a hypocrite, Matthew.

The only people who are likely reading this interchange between us at this point are you and me, and those you've already convinced that I'm a bad bad man.  So, I hope you won't be too disappointed when your desperate little whine here has very little effect.  The part you aren't smart enough to get is that I don't really care what you think of me.  I have a real job, one I'm pretty good at.  I am well liked by coworkers often because I put their needs first.  Our business does well because it is our mandate to help and assist our cooperative owners, and that's something we do well.  

You, on the other hand, go completely out of your way to defend yourself against slight, real or imagined.  To you, it's all about you, and you haven't any concern about what damage you cause to anything or anyone, as long as Matthew Koehler stands righteous at the end.  To you, this all personal.  I pointed that out in this very thread, and you ignored the substance of discussion in favor of getting back at that mean Mr. Kailey.

Your real beef isn't that no one sees how EARTH FIRTEST! actually accomplished something.  They didn't.  Your real beef is that folk must not point out the foolish behavior of people they don't like (you) if they agree with the ideal on the table.  The flip side is obvious.  If folk agree with an ideal then they must accept the stupidity of people who actually work to the detriment of what we want to accomplish (you).  No, Matthew.

Your response was to stupidly claim that I was making it about our brothers, followed by a bunch of bragging.  The point I was making was very clear.  You aren't my brother; he's a better person than you, and you are simply personalizing things to avoid the obvious consequence of your own bias.  And then you proceeded to prove me right.  Ultimately what chaps your ass, Matthew, is that people might think poorly of you.  So you are very desperate to get people to think poorly of me, because I point out the obvious.  The real point is, kitten, I don't care.  You, rather obviously, do.

I've see for some time, Kohler, that the so-called 'principled left' has done nothing of value save adopt the tactics of the far right.  You are no different, and certainly no better, than Andrew Breitbart.  Here's the part I know will be hard for you to swallow, but it is true.  Except for clueless poets and Drama Queens, you've done more to drive readership from this website than I ever have or likely could.  In your own twisted world, you probably think that's a good thing.  But it wasn't with blatant attempts like this.  It was you being your own annoying self, promoting your own annoying self.  Now, you've claimed before that Matt and I took away your voice here.  So actually follow through, dipstick.  Leave.  You've now urged the readership to go, (as you have before, actually), so why do you keep posting diaries here?  I'm certain that 4 & 20 Egobirds would be happy to have you on board.  May you do for them what you have done around here ...

p.s.  Your update was more Republi-fear-twaddle.  Now that tar sands oil may have flowed through the Yellowstone pipeline, where are those dedicated and principled Earth Firstestsers?  Oh, that's right.  They're off to their next drumming circle.


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Don Pogreba's censoring, removing, re-writing ways.... (0.00 / 0)
Hello, I would like readers of this blog to know that Don Pogreba has now decided to censor and remove my comments on his blog post about the meeting/protest at the Capitol.  Instead, Don Pogreba has decided to simply re-write my comments under my own name with the following words:

"Stuff. Copy. Pasted."

and

"INSERT SMUG, PRESUMABLY FACTUALLY CHALLENGED AND COPY-PASTED REMARK HERE."

You can see Don Pogreba actions for yourself at the bottom of the comments section here:
http://intelligentdiscontent.c...

What's so funny and childish about Don Pogreba's antics to censor, remove and then re-write my comments under my name is that the comment in question is simply a response to something Don himself brought up - namely the testimony I gave before the US Senate's Energy and Natural Resources Committee in 2009.

Below is the comment that I have attempted to post on Don Pogreba's blog three times now. We'll see how long it lasts up there before Don removes it and then replaces it with some childish, smug comment that he attributes to me, but writes himself.  Good grief Pogie!

---------

Pogie, thank you so much for bringing up my 2009 Senate testimony.

Anyone can view the entire Senate hearing here:
http://energy.senate.gov/publi...

I was invited to testify on behalf of over 50 conservation groups from around the country and I was actually quite pleased with both my testimony and responses during the Q/A session. I'm pretty sure the same could not be said of Senator Tester. Oh my, Don, have you actually forgotten about this article about the actual Senate hearing?

LET'S HAVE AN APOLOGY
What Tester's Outburst Tells Us
Mean-spirited, personal attack at congressional hearing completely out of line, especially coming from a member of the U.S. Senate.
http://www.newwest.net/topic/a...


The rules... (0.00 / 0)
Rule Number 1 - My Blog

This is my blog. It doesn't get any simpler than that. I have the final say. Commentors and Readers have no rights other than what I allow. While I promise not to edit any comments I allow, I am stating up front that I WILL moderate comments and delete those that I feel violate either these rules or my own personal sense of right and wrong. Comments that are racist, or unnecessarily inflammatory will be deleted - accept this simple fact and move on.

This is the first of the rules at my blog (shamelessly stolen from my brother and modified, BTW). Don has the same rights at his blog. If he has decided that your comments add nothing to the discussion or has decided he simply doesn't want to deal with your whining, he can do anything he damn well pleases at his own blog. If you have a problem with it - get your own blog. Most of us who comment here did. Coming here and complaining about how Don runs his own weblog is just... silly. It makes you look small, childish and whiney. Get over it. I get that you disagree with him and the fact you have testified before a Senate committee means jack to me (I have testified seven times before governmental committees and it means absolutely nothing). You want a soapbox, go through the trouble of setting up your own. Trying to manipulate us to give Don a bad time about how he runs his is complete fail.


[ Parent ]
I would really, really, REALLY like Koehler..... (0.00 / 0)
to explain in great, specific detail just WHAT bullshit protests like the recent one have accomplished in Montana's environmental history.  NUTHIN'!  They set it back thirty years.  This is NOT the way the enviro movment works in Montana.  Infants indeed.  I'm beginning to think that koehler is a plant workin' for exxon or some such.  Hell, if he AIN'T gettin' paid for doin' what he's doin', he's an idiot!  Hell, if I were a corporate polluter, I'd be payin' him!  He's the best they got!

The pipeline through Montana is OUR issue, NOT the freaks from outta state!  And these infants are JUST LIKE THE CORPOS!  They picked a soft target, Scwheitzer.   Why didn't they go DIRECTLY to the bad guys?  Cowardice.  That's all.


[ Parent ]
Really, Larry...a 30 year set-back (0.00 / 0)
Larry, My crystal ball has been broken for a long, long time. As such, it's pretty difficult to look down the road 5 years, 10 years or 30 years and say with any degree of certainty that this EarthFirst! meeting/protest at the Capitol set back the Montana environmental movement by 30 years. Yet, apparently your crystal ball works fine, because you are the one making such proclamations. Sorry, I just have a hard time believing that. People said the same thing about the Missoula log-truck bridge action from 2002 that EarthFirst did. Hmmm...Yet nobody talks about that anymore.

I don't do Twitter and I only follow a few blogs, so I have no idea what's really going on with these types of on-line media outlets.  Perhaps they are all aflame, which leads you to state that this little action will set back the environmental movement in MT by 3 decades. I don't know.

However, I do look over most all of the Montana newspapers daily and I have to say, this meeting/protest has pretty much disappeared from the coverage...and we're only talking 3 days after the event. In another week, month or another year will people really still be talking about this? Will people even remember in another 5 years? I seriously doubt it.  

Again, I don't agree with everything that was said and done at the meeting/protest. I just don't agree it will set the MT environmental movement back to 1981. But hey, back in 1981 Montana still had a real solid form of MEPA, so maybe that wouldn't be such a bad idea!

P.S. Thanks for "beginning to think that koehler is a plant workin' for exxon.  Yep, you caught me Larry. You Environmental Rangers are sure tough to fool.


[ Parent ]
Actually, what I SAID is that if you AREN'T being paid as a plant, (0.00 / 0)
you're the fool.  Thank GOD you came to Montana to save us from Wisconsin!  I'm thinkin' a statue of you next to Meagher is in order.  You're so full of shit it's incredible.

Look, if children do sumthin' REAL stupid, the parents must intervene.  And what your children did WAS real stupid.  Unprecedented actually.  Now, it will simply be MUCH easier for the righties to characterize EVERY enviro as a wacko smelly outta state hippy table dancer with dreadlocks and a low IQ.  Well, THAT does a great disservice to the enviro community in Montana.  But hey, doesn't Wisconsin need you right now more than Montana?

Somtimes it's simply better to THINK than to think about your ego!  Try it sometime.  You absolutely ANGERED many, many decent people with that protest, and yet you feel that you accomplished something great.  What a loser.


[ Parent ]
Larry (0.00 / 0)
what your children did WAS real stupid.

The 100 or so folks at the meeting/protest are not my children. I've been fixed for about 10 years and don't have any kids. I'm not sure why you call people I don't even know my "children." Just weird do.

You absolutely ANGERED many, many decent people with that protest, and yet you feel that you accomplished something great.  What a loser.

I get that in the course of one week, Larry, you went from being a longtime supporter, to thinking I"m "a loser." Good for you dude. But again, I knew nothing at all about this meeting/protest. I wasn't there. I didn't participate in it. And I don't agree with all the things that were said or done during it. I just don't get why you continue to hold me accountable for this thing. Geez....


[ Parent ]
Once again (0.00 / 0)
It's all about Matthew Kohler.

[ Parent ]
Sigh (0.00 / 0)
This is just getting sad.

[ Parent ]
Very. (0.00 / 0)
Ya know, I have racked my brain trying like hell to find even ONE enviro in our state's history who has single-handidly managed to OFFEND so many decent people.  I don't get it.  What the hell is kohler thinking?  That he alone possesses the secret sauce?  The secret enviro sauce for success?  Well we ALL know that that is bullshit!

I have worked with many, many eviros from around the state from Native Americans to teachers to ranchers and farmers to doctors to back country guides to  ex-miners.  And you know, I have NEVER EVER met someone so arrogant and offensive as Kohler and the table dancers.  It's really pretty incredible.  And unexplainable.  It would seem only logical that if SO many decent folks are offended, that maybe, just maybe, that tactics used may NOT have been the best.  ESPECIALLY in light of the astounding successes that the Montana enviro/conservation community has had.

For example, in the ENTIRE history of Montana, the mining industry had never been told no even once.  EVER!  And with the passage of I-137, we finally did it.  And I'll be DAMNED if I ever saw even one display of infantilism that entire campaign!  Jus sayin'.


[ Parent ]
Sorry it's come to this Larry.... (0.00 / 0)
But my last name is "Koehler" not "Kohler." Although, if my last name was "Kohler" I likely would have that "trust fund" that Kailey is so certain I have.

If I've pissed you off Larry, then so be it. If you want to make a big deal about it, go right ahead.

If you folks go back and look over all these threads you'll see that at first all I did was post a breaking news story, from the Great Falls Trib, about the meeting/protest...and included a link to additional coverage about the Keystone XL pipeline.  

I have repeatedly stated that I don't agree with or support some of the stuff that was done or said at the meeting/protest...yet, Larry and Kailey want to put me in the same camp as a handful of people at the meeting/protest who felt like dancing on a table at the end of the meeting? Really, Larry? That makes no sense. I simply took offense to the way some people in the supposed "progressive" community were reacting to the appearance of the EarthFirst!ers and trying to make fun of them or that part of the issue. Big deal. That doesn't, again, mean I support everything they did. You folks put words in my mouth (or in Pogie's case, just re-write my comments for me).  

I'm pretty sure, Larry, that if we actually sat down and talked about this, and other issues, that we'd have a lot in common. I've always respected that you stand up for what you believe in. I may not have always agreed with how you've done this, what you've said, how you've said it...but I respect it none-the-less. Too bad that doesn't cut both ways. And too bad a meeting/protest that I had 100% absolutely nothing to do with is what has caused you to have these feelings about me. Thanks.


[ Parent ]
Matthew, (0.00 / 0)
I have SEEN the enviro community in Montana up close and personal for the last twenty years.  The people involved are topnotch, truly remarkable people.  And they are successful BECAUSE they are not a rabble.  I USED to place you in that category and have defended you in the past.  As I mentioned, I would have been perfectly PLEASED with that protest if they would have done the dancing outside, and had a respectful, engaged discussion with the governor.  I LIKE Scwheitzer.  I KNOW Scwheitzer.  And I know that he is not an enviro.  I'm OK with that.  But he IS a good man and a great guv.  As such, I was deeply offended when they did that to him.  THAT is behavior reserved for the real bad guys.

Yes, I was offended by Tester's treatment of you.  But for God's sake don't you SEE how actions like that one in the Capitol marginalize even you?  You know your shit.  There is NO doubt about that.  I WANT you to be our champion on forest issues.  But first, you need an audience with the politicos.  You'll NEVER get one as an anarchist.  I would have preferred that YOU address the guv with the concerns of the group rather than the rabble.  That would have probably worked.

But anyway, I'm done here, Bro.  Ignore my post above.  I wrote it before I read this one.  Let's keep the envio movement here in Montana on a higher plane.  We'll keep then anarchists in reserve for when we need simply bodies to attack!  Peace!


[ Parent ]
Larry, I appreciate some of what you're saying here, but (0.00 / 0)
when you say stuff like this:

don't you SEE how actions like that one in the Capitol marginalize even you?

I knew nothing about the event before reading about it in the Great Falls Tribune, and then posting it here. I've stated dozens of times now that I don't agree w/ everything said or done at the rally.

you need an audience with the politicos.  You'll NEVER get one as an anarchist.

Ah...Larry, I'm not an anarchist. Again, much of your diatribe here, and elsewhere, has been truly bizarre and baffling.

But anyway, I'm done here, Bro.  Ignore my post above.  I wrote it before I read this one.  Let's keep the envio movement here in Montana on a higher plane.

Ah...Ok, Larry. So now you want to kiss and make up?  About 11 minutes after you wrote this comment above?

Thank GOD you came to Montana to save us from Wisconsin!  I'm thinkin' a statue of you next to Meagher is in order.  You're so full of shit it's incredible.

Larry, I'll move on too. But dude, I will not forget your (borderline psychotic) behavior towards me over the past few days. Enjoy the rest of your weekend.  


[ Parent ]
Be afraid, Larry (0.00 / 0)
Be very very afraid.

LOL!


[ Parent ]
My buddy Willy S. said it best. (0.00 / 0)
"Shall I be frighted when a mad man stares"?  Matt is a strange dude.  I have NEVER run into a guy quite like that in the enviro community.  It's interesting to see what the enviro community attracts.   I  think it's born of desperation.  The global enviro situation is quite dire, in fact,  hopeless perhaps.  And everyone reacts differently I  guess.  Kinda reminds me of the old book we read in Jr. High called Alas Babylon.  Remember that one?  

But I've always been one for keeping my wits about me regardless of what happens.  And I never  give up hope.  We can't. I've seen too many hopeless situations turn out OK in the end. Somehow, we just might leave an habitable  planet for our grandchildren.   I doubt though that the Koehler types will be responsible.  It's hard to leave ego out of it.  Some folks can do it and others can't.  Ego screws up EVERYthing.  But I've seen it for years in the E community.  The just LUV givin' each other awards.  Kinda sad really.


[ Parent ]
Yeah, I do. (0.00 / 0)
Alas Babylon was one of my faves. Another was Phillip Wylie's The End of the Dream.  He predicted an explosion of the Coyahoga river 5 years before it caught fire and burned for 5 days, for the first time.

I am scared about what's happening, environmentally.  I have been for a long time.  Please accept that I have little patience for those who tell me that 'I'm' really the problem.  We have a narrow window of opportunity, and foolishness (dancing on tables) doesn't help.  Salute, Larry.


[ Parent ]
This is how it's done Montana style, (0.00 / 0)
something the outta staters will never and can't understand.  They don't have the relationship to the land.

http://www.alternet.org/story/...

No table dancers need apply.


[ Parent ]
One thing that has been missed in this conversation (0.00 / 0)
is the fact that much of what is happening now (with HB 198, MATL, MSTI and the Tar Sands project) is a direct result of the success of the environmental communittee in putting a halt to any project in Montana. Since most companies take it for granted that they are going to be challenged in court if they start a project in Montana, they have learned and adapted. Once such adaption was to address the politics of these projects. Since the votes on HB-198 cannot be parsed along idiological lines, demographic lines or even location lines, I can only conclude that there had to be a great deal of money spent to get the necessary votes to pass it. Now we have to deal with the consequences of that action. Moreover, I would expect future projects to take these same kind of steps to shortcircuit the assumed legal power of the environmental communitee here in Montana. Like it or not, the hardline stance of the environmental communitee has made matters worse because they are causing companies like Tonbridge to sidestep them in ways that make it difficult to challenge legally. I did not include this in my post about the recent actions of Tonbridge on my site, but I probably should have.

If the environmental communittee had been more willing to work with industry and more reasonable in their expectations and demands, maybe the need for bills like HB 198 wouldn't have materialized. Consider that for a bit while you try to figure out a way to keep these companies from condemning your land and doing what they want anyway.


NY Times feature on Keystone XL pipeline (0.00 / 0)
Debate Intensifies Over Climate Change Aspects of Canada's Oil Sands Pipeline

http://www.nytimes.com/cwire/2...


Eugene Weekly on EarthFirst!/Northern Rockies Rising Tide Capitol Protest (0.00 / 0)
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