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Debate crowd booes retired general

by: Jay Stevens

Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 15:24:59 PM MST


It seemed like just a few weeks ago when MoveOn.org was taken to task for a bad pun. In an ad. In a newspaper. Much hysteria ensued over MoveOn's little joke, apologies were demanded, condemnations passed in the Senate. I mean, if a general's reputation is at stake, you've got to act!

Enter Keith Kerr:

My name is Keith Kerr, from Santa Rosa, California. I'm retired brigadier general with 43 years of service, and I'm a graduate of the Special Forces Officer Course, the Command and General Staff Course, and the Army War College. And I'm an openly gay man.

Kerr apparently had the audacity to ask the Republican candidates why they supported a ban on gay service personnel. Each gave their answer, which ranged from gays are bad for morale to the offense that gays would mean to good, conservative Christians who apparently make up the bulk of our military.

Asked if he were satisfied with the answers, Kerr, who was in the audience, said "no."

GEN. KERR: American -- American men and women in the military are professional enough to serve with gays and lesbians. For 42 years, I wore the Army uniform on active duty, in the Reserve, and also for the state of California. I revealed I was a gay man after I retired. Today, "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" is destructive to our military policy. Every -- every day, the Department of Defense discharges two people not for misconduct, not for the unit cohesion -- (mike cuts off).

Steve Benen:

At which point, the Republican audience began booing the 43-year military veteran. It was an interesting contrast - at Democratic debates, veterans get standing ovations. At Republican debates, veterans get booed if they're gay.

Got that? The audience - presumably composed of Republicans and their supporters -- booed a brigadier general with 43 years of service...to his face! Because he's gay!

Naturally the media, pushed by the outpouring of patriot support for a man who gave four decades of his life to his country, took up his cause and hounded the presidential candidates into defending the general and his opinion and shamed the crowd. Right? Er, not so much:

The executive producer of the debate, CNN Vice President David Bohrman, said the cable network had taken some precautions, verifying Kerr's military background and that he had not contributed to any presidential candidate.

"We regret this, and apologize to the Republican candidates," Bohrman said. "We never would have used the general's question had we known that he was connected to any presidential candidate."

Okay, so a general gets booed on national television by Republicans because he's gay. So then people are surprised he's a Democrat? And CNN apologizes...to the Republican candidates?

But what am I thinking? We're not talking about an ad! In a newspaper!

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The General was a 'plant' from the Clinton campaign........... (0.00 / 0)
They flew him to the event to pull this off and it worked. I'm sure CNN is not entirely surprised, no wonder they call it the Clinton News Network!You can learn lots of good stuff listening to talk radio I tell you what.......

That doesn't matter (0.00 / 0)
Does that make the question invalid? Anyone could have asked that question. It doesn't matter who asked it. It needed to be asked. The man wasn't employed by the campaign. He wasn't coerced or asked in any way. He just happens to have a stance on this issue, and thinks she is the best person to address them.

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You can't coerce a 'plant'. Hello............. (0.00 / 0)


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Don't be stupid (0.00 / 0)
All you are saying is if someone disagrees with them then they are a plant for the Democrats. You honestly think someone supporting any Democrat wouldn't ask that question?

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Mathello, did you listen to the news yesterday? (0.00 / 0)
Obviously not, honestly your kind crack me up, if your brains blews up all at once it wouldn't wiggle your ears you boob! The General put "PUT THERE" on purpose by the Hillary campaign.....planted! Told what to say and what to ask, what part about that don't you get there smarty arty! And just for the record, I'm no Hillary fan but I think what is going on at her campaign headquarters back east today is pathetic and I hope her volunteers get out without any harm, the nut job doing the hostage deed needs to be locked up quick, absolutely unacceptable behavior!

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I must have missed it. (0.00 / 0)
A link please to enlighten me...

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"put there"? (0.00 / 0)
You'll have to provide the evidence. That's news to me. I heard he was "associated" with the Clinton campaign, or worked for them, but that doesn't mean he was put there or in any way coerced to ask his question.

Of course, even that wouldn't matter, because the question was fair and good.


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In this instance, who cares? (0.00 / 0)
Is it any wonder that gays, lesbians, and people who look gay or lesbian (whatever that means) are being beaten up on the streets of their own town, here in Missoula?  Who cares who asked this question?  The open booing of this man's IDEAS is disgusting and un-American.  It is indicative of the same discriminating prejudice and bigotry that occurred under Jim Crow in the South.  The "average Republicans" in that audience make me sick and given the recent events here in our town, they should make you sick too.  This is America, not Iran.

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Support the military (0.00 / 0)
By God!  I think our generals need our support when addressing openly homophobic crowds...

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I'm wondering, (0.00 / 0)
Jay, why you think the boos occurred "because he was gay"?  In my opinion the audience was reacting to the inordinate amount of time the man was granted for his follow up diatribe.  

I would argue that this would more appropriately be a general election debate question rather than one for the Republican primary.  The question, in my opinion, was granted more weight because of the time given it, and in my opinion the audience was reacting to that.  


If you can't handle a tough questions.. (0.00 / 0)
How do we expect them to handle the presidency if they can't handle a tough question? Seriously, did you watch the Democratic Youtube debate? A great many of the questions were openly hostile.

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Tough questions are fine (0.00 / 0)
and I only caught the end of the Dem version.  That stated, why didn't CNN ask the guy with the AR15 to confront the candidates face to face?  Is that a question the undecided Democratic primary voter wants debated for a great deal of time?

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he was booed... (0.00 / 0)
Do you think if he took up all that time with a position popular with the crowd he'd have been booed? And his position was that gays should serve.

I'm pointing out the hypocrisy of the booing, though. I suspect a good percentage of those booing the general were apopylectic about the MoveOn ad. I suppose we won't see a Senate condemnation of the crowd, tho...


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It seems to me... (0.00 / 0)
It seems to me that for most "progressives", the military is just another social experimentation zone.  Have any of you been in the military, or is this just a nice intellectual and philosophical discussion on the matter?  The decisions made concerning the military ought to be free of political correctness.  Openly serving gays are bad for the military.  Period.  

Oh fuck that. (0.00 / 0)
That is the stupidest piece of shit I've ever heard. It's the next step. Blacks... Women... Queers... It's gonna happen. And if you think that women or blacks shouldn't serve as well then you are a sad human being.

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Combining, in close quarters, (0.00 / 0)
homophobes and queers seems on the face of it a dangerous experimentation.
The significant question then becomes which should be excluded?
Unfortunately, most Americans run toward being homophobes; so when attempting to regiment a gang of thugs, it would probably be more effective to exclude queers...

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